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  • amazonalys
    Can anyone tell me the origin of the name Lillian - or anything close. The best I ve been able to tell after a long, frustrating search is that it s either of
    Message 1 of 11 , Jul 16, 2003
      Can anyone tell me the origin of the name Lillian - or anything
      close. The best I've been able to tell after a long, frustrating
      search is that it's either of Latin or Greek origin, but I don't know
      what country's it might have been used in or when. It's my favorite
      name, but I don't think I'm going to find anything like it to suit my
      Norman/English or Norman/Scottish idea for a persona. Thanks!
    • Juliana Foxcroft
      I did a yahoo search on lillian and origin and found entries for English and Latin; both indicated the name as referring to the lily flower. On
      Message 2 of 11 , Jul 16, 2003
        I did a yahoo search on "lillian" and "origin" and found entries for English and Latin; both indicated the name as referring to the lily flower.

        On Ancestry.com, I found a Lillian Smith who was born approximately 1544 in Sussex, England.

        I'll let you know if I find anything earlier.

        amazonalys <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
        Can anyone tell me the origin of the name Lillian - or anything
        close. The best I've been able to tell after a long, frustrating
        search is that it's either of Latin or Greek origin, but I don't know
        what country's it might have been used in or when. It's my favorite
        name, but I don't think I'm going to find anything like it to suit my
        Norman/English or Norman/Scottish idea for a persona. Thanks!


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        JULIANA FOXCROFT

        The glory of friendship is not the outstretched hand, nor the kindly smile, nor the joy of companionship; it is the spiritual inspiration that comes to one when he discovers that someone else believes in him and is willing to trust him with his friendship. --Ralph Waldo Emerson

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      • Juliana Foxcroft
        Through the Medieval Names link I found a list of names from 1250-1300 that has a Lelien listed under the female non-Germanic names list. Link (you might
        Message 3 of 11 , Jul 16, 2003
          Through the Medieval Names link I found a list of names from 1250-1300 that has a "Lelien" listed under the female non-Germanic names list. Link (you might have to scroll down a little to find it:

          http://www.keesn.nl/name13/li13en_0.htm

          This link lists English feminine given names and lists a Lilian attested in 1279:

          http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/talan/reaney/reaney.cgi?Elizabeth

          And that's where I have to stop for now - hubby just called & I have to meet him downstairs. Will let you know if I can find more.

          JF



          amazonalys <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
          Can anyone tell me the origin of the name Lillian - or anything
          close. The best I've been able to tell after a long, frustrating
          search is that it's either of Latin or Greek origin, but I don't know
          what country's it might have been used in or when. It's my favorite
          name, but I don't think I'm going to find anything like it to suit my
          Norman/English or Norman/Scottish idea for a persona. Thanks!


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          JULIANA FOXCROFT

          The glory of friendship is not the outstretched hand, nor the kindly smile, nor the joy of companionship; it is the spiritual inspiration that comes to one when he discovers that someone else believes in him and is willing to trust him with his friendship. --Ralph Waldo Emerson

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        • amazonalys
          Lady Juliana to the rescue again! Thank you so much. I ve done a dozen Yahoo searches and didn t come up with anything. Now as I understand it, If I was born
          Message 4 of 11 , Jul 17, 2003
            Lady Juliana to the rescue again! Thank you so much. I've done a
            dozen Yahoo searches and didn't come up with anything.

            Now as I understand it, If I was born in England to Norman parents,
            or English/Norman parents, I'd have an English name. And if I can
            document the name I want being used prior to my time period, it
            should be okay? So do you think Lillian, or some spelling thereof,
            would be okay in the late 13th early 14th century? Surely they don't
            worry about the PART of England the name was found in?

            This is making my brain hurt. Time to pick a name and start having
            fun!

            Again, many thanks.

            --- In scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com, Juliana Foxcroft <JuliFox@s...>
            wrote:
            > Through the Medieval Names link I found a list of names from 1250-
            1300 that has a "Lelien" listed under the female non-Germanic names
            list. Link (you might have to scroll down a little to find it:
            >
            > http://www.keesn.nl/name13/li13en_0.htm
            >
            > This link lists English feminine given names and lists a Lilian
            attested in 1279:
            >
            > http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/talan/reaney/reaney.cgi?Elizabeth
            >
            > And that's where I have to stop for now - hubby just called & I
            have to meet him downstairs. Will let you know if I can find more.
            >
            > JF
            >
            >
            >
            > amazonalys <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
            > Can anyone tell me the origin of the name Lillian - or anything
            > close. The best I've been able to tell after a long, frustrating
            > search is that it's either of Latin or Greek origin, but I don't
            know
            > what country's it might have been used in or when. It's my
            favorite
            > name, but I don't think I'm going to find anything like it to suit
            my
            > Norman/English or Norman/Scottish idea for a persona. Thanks!
            >
            >
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            > JULIANA FOXCROFT
            >
            > The glory of friendship is not the outstretched hand, nor the
            kindly smile, nor the joy of companionship; it is the spiritual
            inspiration that comes to one when he discovers that someone else
            believes in him and is willing to trust him with his friendship. --
            Ralph Waldo Emerson
            >
            > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
          • amazonalys
            Oh shoot! The Oxford Dictionary of English Christian Names states Lillian was not used as a first name until the 19th century. Maybe I should just give up
            Message 5 of 11 , Jul 17, 2003
              Oh shoot! The Oxford Dictionary of English Christian Names states
              Lillian was not used as a first name until the 19th century. Maybe I
              should just give up and think of another.

              The sad thing is, I can document my real name with a dozen different
              spellings back to BEFORE the SCA period, but I don't really like it.
            • Juliana Foxcroft
              From doing extensive genealogy on both sides of my family tree, I ve learned that it was and still is common to name a child after a grandparent, aunt/uncle,
              Message 6 of 11 , Jul 17, 2003
                From doing extensive genealogy on both sides of my family tree, I've learned that it was and still is common to name a child after a grandparent, aunt/uncle, brother/sister, etc. When I picked my name, I went on the premise that my was strong-willed French mother insisted on calling me after her beloved great-grandmother, who passed away in France before the family came to England; and then I was given my father's English surname, Foxcroft.

                Since Lillian (or some spelling thereof) was attested to in England in 1279 (the second link I sent you last night), I think that's probably a pretty good argument for using it for a 13th or 14th century English/Norman persona. :D If I remember correctly that particular link was one of the resources I used when I was researching my name, and I was told by local folks at the time that it was a pretty good source. I just printed out the information and attached it to my name form when I turned it all in.

                Hope this helps!

                JF

                amazonalys <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                Lady Juliana to the rescue again! Thank you so much. I've done a
                dozen Yahoo searches and didn't come up with anything.

                Now as I understand it, If I was born in England to Norman parents,
                or English/Norman parents, I'd have an English name. And if I can
                document the name I want being used prior to my time period, it
                should be okay? So do you think Lillian, or some spelling thereof,
                would be okay in the late 13th early 14th century? Surely they don't
                worry about the PART of England the name was found in?

                This is making my brain hurt. Time to pick a name and start having
                fun!

                Again, many thanks.

                --- In scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com, Juliana Foxcroft <JuliFox@s...>
                wrote:
                > Through the Medieval Names link I found a list of names from 1250-
                1300 that has a "Lelien" listed under the female non-Germanic names
                list. Link (you might have to scroll down a little to find it:
                >
                > http://www.keesn.nl/name13/li13en_0.htm
                >
                > This link lists English feminine given names and lists a Lilian
                attested in 1279:
                >
                > http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/talan/reaney/reaney.cgi?Elizabeth
                >
                > And that's where I have to stop for now - hubby just called & I
                have to meet him downstairs. Will let you know if I can find more.
                >
                > JF
                >
                >
                >
                > amazonalys <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                > Can anyone tell me the origin of the name Lillian - or anything
                > close. The best I've been able to tell after a long, frustrating
                > search is that it's either of Latin or Greek origin, but I don't
                know
                > what country's it might have been used in or when. It's my
                favorite
                > name, but I don't think I'm going to find anything like it to suit
                my
                > Norman/English or Norman/Scottish idea for a persona. Thanks!
                >
                >
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                > JULIANA FOXCROFT
                >
                > The glory of friendship is not the outstretched hand, nor the
                kindly smile, nor the joy of companionship; it is the spiritual
                inspiration that comes to one when he discovers that someone else
                believes in him and is willing to trust him with his friendship. --
                Ralph Waldo Emerson
                >
                > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


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                JULIANA FOXCROFT

                The glory of friendship is not the outstretched hand, nor the kindly smile, nor the joy of companionship; it is the spiritual inspiration that comes to one when he discovers that someone else believes in him and is willing to trust him with his friendship. --Ralph Waldo Emerson

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              • Juliana Foxcroft
                No! Don t give up. There is the one documented case of Lilion in the 13th century, and you might be able to argue that your parents named you after a
                Message 7 of 11 , Jul 17, 2003
                  No! Don't give up. There is the one documented case of "Lilion" in the 13th century, and you might be able to argue that your parents named you after a grandparent. See if you can find out who is your local herald, share your dilemma with them and they may be able to help you more than I can to find documentation.

                  JF

                  amazonalys <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                  Oh shoot! The Oxford Dictionary of English Christian Names states
                  Lillian was not used as a first name until the 19th century. Maybe I
                  should just give up and think of another.

                  The sad thing is, I can document my real name with a dozen different
                  spellings back to BEFORE the SCA period, but I don't really like it.




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                  JULIANA FOXCROFT

                  The glory of friendship is not the outstretched hand, nor the kindly smile, nor the joy of companionship; it is the spiritual inspiration that comes to one when he discovers that someone else believes in him and is willing to trust him with his friendship. --Ralph Waldo Emerson

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                • amazonalys
                  Thanks! I ll keep Lilion as my first choice, but come up with some others just in case. I m also fond of several variations of Juliana! ... in the 13th
                  Message 8 of 11 , Jul 17, 2003
                    Thanks! I'll keep Lilion as my first choice, but come up with some
                    others just in case. I'm also fond of several variations of
                    Juliana!

                    --- In scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com, Juliana Foxcroft <JuliFox@s...>
                    wrote:
                    > No! Don't give up. There is the one documented case of "Lilion"
                    in the 13th century, and you might be able to argue that your parents
                    named you after a grandparent. See if you can find out who is your
                    local herald, share your dilemma with them and they may be able to
                    help you more than I can to find documentation.
                    >
                    > JF
                    >
                    > amazonalys <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                    > Oh shoot! The Oxford Dictionary of English Christian Names states
                    > Lillian was not used as a first name until the 19th century. Maybe
                    I
                    > should just give up and think of another.
                    >
                    > The sad thing is, I can document my real name with a dozen
                    different
                    > spellings back to BEFORE the SCA period, but I don't really like
                    it.
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
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                    > JULIANA FOXCROFT
                    >
                    > The glory of friendship is not the outstretched hand, nor the
                    kindly smile, nor the joy of companionship; it is the spiritual
                    inspiration that comes to one when he discovers that someone else
                    believes in him and is willing to trust him with his friendship. --
                    Ralph Waldo Emerson
                    >
                    > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                  • bronwynmgn@aol.com
                    In a message dated 7/18/2003 9:49:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, ... In that spelling, certainly. But someone has already posted documentation for Lelian
                    Message 9 of 11 , Jul 18, 2003
                      In a message dated 7/18/2003 9:49:10 AM Eastern Standard Time,
                      scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com writes:

                      > Oh shoot! The Oxford Dictionary of English Christian Names states
                      > Lillian was not used as a first name until the 19th century. Maybe I
                      > should just give up and think of another.
                      >

                      In that spelling, certainly. But someone has already posted documentation
                      for "Lelian" which is nearly identical in pronunciation as being available for a
                      closely related time period in England. There is no reason you couldn't use
                      that. You hav eto remember that medieval spelling wasn't terribly
                      standardized, so I could easily see Lelian, Lilian, etc as possible spelling variants
                      (mind you, I'm not sure they are - that's not my field of study).

                      Brangwayna


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                    • lukeocracy
                      Is the name Chamberlain possible as a given name?
                      Message 10 of 11 , Feb 2, 2009
                        Is the name Chamberlain possible as a given name?
                      • Maria Buchanan
                        Well that depends on the year you re talking about.  From the name I would assume you were thinking of English. Maria ... From: lukeocracy
                        Message 11 of 11 , Feb 2, 2009
                          Well that depends on the year you're talking about. 
                          From the name I would assume you were thinking of English.
                          Maria

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                          To: scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com
                          Date: Monday, February 2, 2009, 12:26 PM











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