Don't wear white belts or baldrics or white scarves on your arms.
Everything else, clothing wise, is pretty much fair game. There are some
things that are culturally thought of as belonging to a certain kind of
person it is only cultural.
You see in the SCA we have knights who take on squires, laurels who take on
apprentices and pelicans who take on proteges White Scarves = same on
shoulder or arm Bronze Rings=bronze scarf on shoulder or arm.
Squire = Red Belt
Apprentice = Green Belt
Protege = Yellow Belt
Cadet = Red Scarf
Here's the trick. NONE of those things is officially recognized by SCA,
inc. not a one of them. They are however firmly entrenched in SCA
culture, and in my opinion they should be. Since they are not officially
recognized, they have no protections.
A story once told to me was about a new lady who got dressed up, did a fine
job and wore a red belt because that was went well with the outfit. Well a
couple of squires happened upon this lady and started questioning her and
telling her she couldn't wear the belt. This story supposedly takes place
in the Kingdom of An Tir. A Laurel walks up and sees these two squires and
asks them who their Knight is. This is a question you answer when asked
but they himmed and hawed about it.
The Laurel asked them if they were ashamed of their Knight to which they
responded "No," and gave the name of their Knight. The Laurel went and
spoke with that Knight. The new lady had two men-at-arms who did her every
bidding for the rest of that event.
There is no reason not to be wearing a red baldric that I can think of.
Not one. "Oh you could be mistaken for a squire," I doubt it, they wear
red belts. And you know what? Squire is not a rank. Like that of
apprentice or protege is nothing more than a title taken by someone who has
a formal attachment (is a "dependent" of) to the requisite peer. It means
only what it means between those who have that relationship and for the
rest of us it means that if we catch the "dependent," doing something good
or wrong we have someone to go talk to about it.
Now, I'm not belittling those relationships in the slightest. They are
important to those who have them. I myself am an apprentice. I have asked
people who were wearing a green belt who they were apprenticed to. I have
been given names and I have been told, "I'm not an apprentice." My
response either way is, "Okay, that's cool." And that should be the
response, in their own way, of everyone else.
When I was a Chatelian I told my newcomers that if they chose to wear those
color belts to be ready to explain that they weren't whatever belt color
might be indicating, but they shouldn't be harassed about it at all. And if
they were, to get that person's name and _I_ would deal with it.
It is getting to the point in the SCA that if we reserved all culturally
accepted things that it would be utterly ridiculous in my mind.
Belt colors could not be red, yellow, green or blue. Scarves could not be
red or black.
Or we can all just take a chill pill, ask if we are curious and once
getting our answer, move on. As chivalrous behavior should do.
Of course that's just my opinion, I could be wrong.
Ian the Green
On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 12:44 AM, Theanswerlady1 <theanswerlady1@...>wrote:
> Latigo is a leather process, usually waxy/oily making it a good choice for
> working leather like reins and harness. It is great for armor being tough.
> Generally available in black, brown, burgundy (more from Hide House in Napa
> CA). Because it is water repellent, it is not very tool-able or dyeable.
> Other leathers, (veg-tanned) are water permeable, dyeable, paintable,
> toolable, stampable, etc. unless they are sueded or rough-out.
> Tzipah of Clannah Drakonis
> Bestwode Shire
> Principality of Cynagua
> Kingdom of the West
> -----Original Message-----
> From: chemistbb3 <email@example.com>
> To: scanewcomers <firstname.lastname@example.org>
> Sent: Sun, Jul 22, 2012 7:36 pm
> Subject: [SCA Newcomers] Re: Confusion on colors
> Red is Red is Red. Some of the red leathers age and wear to become
> "browner" than they started. Some folks are over sensitive and the customs
> in some kingdoms are a bit different than in other kingdoms.
> The first belt I made was out of latigo leather. I also got some flack for
> using a "red" leather. I just told them it was not red, but just latigo
> leather. Since I wear a lot of red, I would then point to some part of my
> clothes and say "this is what I call red".
> If you have a bunch for the leather and what the other folks are saying,
> buy a bottle of brown leather dye and dye over the origional color the
> --- In email@example.com, "o.barsukov" <o.barsukov@...> wrote:
> > To state the obvious, I'm new to the SCA, and Uprising in Idaho this
> year was my first event. I absolutely loved it, and since then I've been
> working on things to improve the look of my persona and my garb.
> > I'd gone through several no-no lists I'd found on google before I
> started and thought I had a pretty solid grasp on what not to do. One of
> the first things I worked on was a baldric for my sword(unsharpened and
> all), so I avoided red and white leathers. Several members of my local
> group saw the leather I was working with and got all over me for using red
> leather. This is where my apparent not so solid grasp of what not to do
> comes in.
> > http://www.outfitterssupply.com/ShowAdditionalImg.asp?number=WLF403
> > That's the leather I got (in person it's got a bit more of a chestnut
> hue to it than the picture, but still close.) Is that considered red in the
> SCA? I'd assume shades/types of red (crimson, scarlet, et al) are covered
> in the definition of 'red', but are slight hues considered 'red' as well?
> Perhaps it's the artist in me, but that's not 'red'.
> > Somewhat off topic, but a member mentioned looking up Chatelaine
> resources before I make anything more (which I did before I started
> anything, but apparently I'm doing things wrong.) Does anyone have a pretty
> thorough guide for new people on what not to make/avoid? I have googled for
> a list again (this time under Chatelaine) and all I've really dug up is
> info on how to be a Chatelaine, basic things I've already gone over, and
> lists that don't answer the questions I have.
> > Thanks in advance!
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Yours In Service,
Lord Ian the Green
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