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  • christopher chastain
    They dont have to participate but do have to dress in pre1600 garb Yours in Humble Service, Pomestnik Dmitrii Zarekoi Ivanov Per saltire sable and azure, a two
    Message 1 of 12 , Mar 5, 2010
      They dont have to participate but do have to dress in pre1600 garb





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      To: scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com
      From: NCSaint02@...
      Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 14:22:50 +0000
      Subject: [SCA Newcomers] Question





      Greetings and Salutations,

      I am a new member about to join SCA. I intend to go to events and play out my persona as much as possible. My question is about my spouse.
      She has stated whe would be interested in going to the events to watch only. She has no desire to be part of the experience, just spectate.

      Question: Is this acceptable? Can my wife go to an event just to watch, like a ren fair, or do all attendees have to participate?

      Soon to be in service,

      Nicholas





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    • ui Cainnech
      To help the wife feel more comfortable: the requirement is actually an * attempt* at pre1600. If she doesn t want to be involved, this will at least allow her
      Message 2 of 12 , Mar 5, 2010
        To help the wife feel more comfortable: the requirement is actually an *
        attempt* at pre1600. If she doesn't want to be involved, this will at least
        allow her to invest less effort, and she will also be able to enjoy herself
        more by not having to work too hard.

        On 5 March 2010 13:27, christopher chastain <ckchastain@...> wrote:

        >
        > They dont have to participate but do have to dress in pre1600 garb
        >
        > From: NCSaint02@...
        >
        > I am a new member about to join SCA. I intend to go to events and play out
        > my persona as much as possible. My question is about my spouse.
        > She has stated whe would be interested in going to the events to watch
        > only. She has no desire to be part of the experience, just spectate.
        >
        > Question: Is this acceptable? Can my wife go to an event just to watch,
        > like a ren fair, or do all attendees have to participate?
        >
        >


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      • D'vorah bint al-Attar
        ... Your wife doesn t have to speak forsoothly (and in fact, it pains most folks when one tries, I ve observed); she doesn t have to learn rapier or sword
        Message 3 of 12 , Mar 5, 2010
          On 5 Mar 2010, at 8:22 AM, ncsaint02 wrote:

          > Greetings and Salutations,
          >
          > I am a new member about to join SCA. I intend to go to events and play out my persona as much as possible. My question is about my spouse.
          > She has stated whe would be interested in going to the events to watch only. She has no desire to be part of the experience, just spectate.
          >
          > Question: Is this acceptable? Can my wife go to an event just to watch, like a ren fair, or do all attendees have to participate?
          >
          > Soon to be in service,
          >
          > Nicholas


          Your wife doesn't have to speak forsoothly (and in fact, it pains most folks when one tries, I've observed); she doesn't have to learn rapier or sword work; she doesn't have to cook from period cookbooks only; she doesn't have to raise sheep, shear them, spin the wool into yarn/thread, weave it into fabric, and/or sew the fabric into clothing. She doesn't have to spend a single second "in persona," or come up with a persona, or even come up with a documentable name and register it. All that stuff is great fun, but it's not required.

          The only real requirement for attending an SCA event is an attempt at pre-1600s clothing. If your wife makes an attempt to wear medieval clothing, then she IS participating, and we shall be very glad to have her among us. If she doesn't do that, then I doubt anyone would actually kick her out. However, most people will either ignore her entirely, or giggle and point as if she's naked (because she is, by our lights), or gently encourage her to go and visit the chatelaine and borrow some Gold Key garb (free, but there's usually a $10 deposit per garment, returnable when the garment makes it back safely to the Gold Key).

          Remember being a little kid, playing pretend with the other little kids? It was fun because everybody was involved. If some kid hung around while you were playing pretend, but wouldn't play themselves, or even make an attempt to join in, they were sometimes viewed as being a bit creepy. The same thing happens on the day of any costume-wearing holiday -- Hallowe'en, Purim, Mardi Gras/Carnival, and so on. People who aren't wearing costumes, or at least a mask or some face paint, made the kids who were pretending in costume feel self-conscious and inhibited in their expression. And worst of all, the one who's not costumed and/or playing pretend, depending on the setting, always felt left out. Eventually they either joined in, or they got bored and went off to play solitaire or jump rope all alone. Not a lot of fun for them, and I bet it wouldn't be much fun for your wife, either.

          Again, all she'd be asked to do would be to put on something that was sort-of, kind-of, almost, similar to pre-1600s garb. She can probably even find something in her size at the chatelaine's booth, if she asks, so she wouldn't have to buy or make anything of her own.
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        • Ziddinaaitzumar@comcast.net
          EXCELLENT reply!!! ... From: D vorah bint al-Attar To: scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 5, 2010 2:15:25 PM GMT
          Message 4 of 12 , Mar 5, 2010
            EXCELLENT reply!!!
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            From: "D'vorah bint al-Attar" <dvorah@...>
            To: scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Friday, March 5, 2010 2:15:25 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
            Subject: Re: [SCA Newcomers] Watching, Not Participating. WAS: Question

             





            On 5 Mar 2010, at 8:22 AM, ncsaint02 wrote:

            > Greetings and Salutations,
            >
            > I am a new member about to join SCA. I intend to go to events and play out my persona as much as possible. My question is about my spouse.
            > She has stated whe would be interested in going to the events to watch only. She has no desire to be part of the experience, just spectate.
            >
            > Question: Is this acceptable? Can my wife go to an event just to watch, like a ren fair, or do all attendees have to participate?
            >
            > Soon to be in service,
            >
            > Nicholas

            Your wife doesn't have to speak forsoothly (and in fact, it pains most folks when one tries, I've observed); she doesn't have to learn rapier or sword work; she doesn't have to cook from period cookbooks only; she doesn't have to raise sheep, shear them, spin the wool into yarn/thread, weave it into fabric, and/or sew the fabric into clothing. She doesn't have to spend a single second "in persona," or come up with a persona, or even come up with a documentable name and register it. All that stuff is great fun, but it's not required.

            The only real requirement for attending an SCA event is an attempt at pre-1600s clothing. If your wife makes an attempt to wear medieval clothing, then she IS participating, and we shall be very glad to have her among us. If she doesn't do that, then I doubt anyone would actually kick her out. However, most people will either ignore her entirely, or giggle and point as if she's naked (because she is, by our lights), or gently encourage her to go and visit the chatelaine and borrow some Gold Key garb (free, but there's usually a $10 deposit per garment, returnable when the garment makes it back safely to the Gold Key).

            Remember being a little kid, playing pretend with the other little kids? It was fun because everybody was involved. If some kid hung around while you were playing pretend, but wouldn't play themselves, or even make an attempt to join in, they were sometimes viewed as being a bit creepy. The same thing happens on the day of any costume-wearing holiday -- Hallowe'en, Purim, Mardi Gras/Carnival, and so on. People who aren't wearing costumes, or at least a mask or some face paint, made the kids who were pretending in costume feel self-conscious and inhibited in their expression. And worst of all, the one who's not costumed and/or playing pretend, depending on the setting, always felt left out. Eventually they either joined in, or they got bored and went off to play solitaire or jump rope all alone. Not a lot of fun for them, and I bet it wouldn't be much fun for your wife, either.

            Again, all she'd be asked to do would be to put on something that was sort-of, kind-of, almost, similar to pre-1600s garb. She can probably even find something in her size at the chatelaine's booth, if she asks, so she wouldn't have to buy or make anything of her own.
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          • Bambi TBNL
            My husband wanted to do the same, to come and watch . I had to explain to him that it was not a renfaire it was the SCA. We were not a game you could buy
            Message 5 of 12 , Mar 5, 2010
              My husband wanted to do the same, to come and "watch". I had to explain to him that it was not a renfaire it was the SCA. We were not a "game" you could buy tickets to watch but we were a participatory sport, and if he did not want to participate, he has to at least blend into the back ground so as not to distract others. wearingan attempt at pre 1600 clothing was not only polite, it was neccessary. he groumblrd at first.
              I gave him the choice of loaner garb or finding something that was passable. He was horrified @ wearing clothing someone else had actually worn..( he is funny like that considering he played team sports and was in the school choir and did that before...) He ended up with finding something"passable, scrubs pants and a t-tunic...(sigh, I do a LOT of sewing  and that was all he would even consider) well at least they WERE drawstring pants... one event was all it took to get him to be a bit more flexible about clothing.
              Might I suggest , if your lady is similarly overwhelmed by the concept of wearing garb before she has had a chance to look things over and make a choice,(there are many choices) is to look for a plain cotton or linen dress (you can some times find them inexspenviely as swimsuit coverups)with no collar and no cecoration. a belt and a ladr square of white, light cotton fabric will work as a veil. it is not a big investment but would also be suable for later, if she decided to upgrade, as an undersress or something.Bambi (To be named ater) TBNL


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              From: christopher chastain <ckchastain@...>
              To: SCA New Comers <scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Fri, March 5, 2010 1:27:35 PM
              Subject: RE: [SCA Newcomers] Question


              They dont have to participate but do have to dress in pre1600 garb





              Yours in Humble Service,
              Pomestnik Dmitrii Zarekoi Ivanov
              Per saltire sable and azure, a two headed eagle displayed and in chief a mullet of eight points argent

              Who dares, wins!










              To: scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com
              From: NCSaint02@...
              Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 14:22:50 +0000
              Subject: [SCA Newcomers] Question

               



              Greetings and Salutations,

              I am a new member about to join SCA. I intend to go to events and play out my persona as much as possible. My question is about my spouse.
              She has stated whe would be interested in going to the events to watch only. She has no desire to be part of the experience, just spectate.

              Question: Is this acceptable? Can my wife go to an event just to watch, like a ren fair, or do all attendees have to participate?

              Soon to be in service,

              Nicholas




                                     
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            • Callahan Patrick
              I don t participate , so much, I like to watch and see the stuff people have made. Watching the bards is always fun. I wear my attempt at pre-1700th century
              Message 6 of 12 , Mar 5, 2010
                I don't "participate", so much, I like to watch and see the stuff people have made. Watching the bards is always fun. I wear my attempt at pre-1700th century clothing. I love to see the clothing and the pageantry of the whole thing. I set up a canopy, usually near the list field, and try to keep pre-1700th century kind of thing things around. I like time period games, so I will usually have a table and a chest with games in case any one is interested. I just relax and enjoy the atmosphere the other “good” SCA people have created.
              • Marlene Ladouceur
                Dia duit! Just in case: there`s no good or bad SCA people ;0) Just a bunch of people who like medieval stuffs. We all have different interests in different
                Message 7 of 12 , Mar 6, 2010
                  Dia duit!

                  Just in case: there`s no "good" or "bad" SCA people ;0) Just a bunch of people who like medieval stuffs. We all have different interests in different ways and that`s why I like this group of people. The way you are participating is not important. Simply wear a "medieval period people" costume and enjoy if you like so! Everyone is an "actor". Like a lot or like a bit but talk about it! ;0)



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                  To: scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com
                  From: callahanpatrick@...
                  Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 06:43:29 +0000
                  Subject: RE: [SCA Newcomers] Question





                  I don't "participate", so much, I like to watch and see the stuff people have made. Watching the bards is always fun. I wear my attempt at pre-1700th century clothing. I love to see the clothing and the pageantry of the whole thing. I set up a canopy, usually near the list field, and try to keep pre-1700th century kind of thing things around. I like time period games, so I will usually have a table and a chest with games in case any one is interested. I just relax and enjoy the atmosphere the other �good� SCA people have created.





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                • D'vorah bint al-Attar
                  ... If you re in garb, you re participating. You don t have to do anything beyond that one basic requirement to be considered a participant. Other stuff s fun
                  Message 8 of 12 , Mar 6, 2010
                    On 6 Mar 2010, at 12:43 AM, Callahan Patrick wrote:

                    > I don't "participate", so much, I like to watch and see the stuff people have made. Watching the bards is always fun. I wear my attempt at pre-1700th century clothing. I love to see the clothing and the pageantry of the whole thing. I set up a canopy, usually near the list field, and try to keep pre-1700th century kind of thing things around. I like time period games, so I will usually have a table and a chest with games in case any one is interested. I just relax and enjoy the atmosphere the other “good” SCA people have created.

                    If you're in garb, you're participating. You don't have to do anything beyond that one basic requirement to be considered a participant. Other stuff's fun too, but if it's not what you're into, then you don't have to do it.
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                  • Kristen
                    My friend is wanting to know who or what Martian Fane is and what kingdom they come from. I m not sure of the spelling, I m very sure I spelled it wrong, but
                    Message 9 of 12 , Oct 24, 2010
                      My friend is wanting to know who or what Martian Fane is and what kingdom they come from. I'm not sure of the spelling, I'm very sure I spelled it wrong, but would appreciate an answer to this conundrum.

                      Thank you

                      Valentina
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