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Re: [SCA Newcomers] Heraldry question

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  • Kristen Praiswater
    Has anyone ever told you that you re wonderful.  Thank you for everything, I really appreaciate all the help, advice, and all of the useful links.   Kristen
    Message 1 of 10 , Oct 6, 2009
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      Has anyone ever told you that you're wonderful.  Thank you for everything, I really appreaciate all the help, advice, and all of the useful links.
       
      Kristen

      --- On Tue, 10/6/09, Coblaith Muimnech <Coblaith@...> wrote:


      From: Coblaith Muimnech <Coblaith@...>
      Subject: Re: [SCA Newcomers] Heraldry question
      To: scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com
      Date: Tuesday, October 6, 2009, 5:15 PM


       



      Kristen wrote:
      > Can I intermix an English first name with a Lowland Scots last name.

      Some scholars consider Scots to be a language closely related to
      English, and others consider it to be in fact a dialect of English
      <http://www.medieval scotland. org/scotnames/
      scotnames101. shtml#footnote1> . Either way, its use in combination
      with English (other than Anglo-Saxon or Old English) is
      unexceptional, and will cause no difficulty with registration <http://
      www.ellipsis. cx/~liana/ sca/weirdness_ table.html> .

      > The name I want to use is Gillian Stewart.

      We can check to see if that's reasonable. . .

      "Gillian" is dated to 1273 in E.G. Withycombe's _The Oxford
      Dictionary of English Christian Names_ and to 1303 in P. H. Reaney
      and R. M. Wilson's _A Dictionary of English Surnames_, according to
      Talan Gwynek's "Feminine Given Names in A Dictionary of English
      Surnames" <http://heraldry. sca.org/heraldry /laurel/
      reaneyintro. html>. It can also be found as a feminine given name in
      Latinized contexts in records from 1238 Devon <http://
      heraldry.sca. org/names/ english/devonfem 1238.html> and 1256
      Northumberland <http://heraldry. sca.org/names/ english/
      northumberland. html>, and in a marriage records from Glouchestershire
      from 1574 <http://heraldry. sca.org/names/ english/oldbury. html>. (The
      articles to which I gave URLs are all no-photocopy resource <http://
      heraldry.sca. org/heraldry/ laurel/admin. html#APPENDIXH> , which means
      if you use one as a source you just need to cite it in the
      documentation summary on your name submission form, and don't have to
      print any part of it out for your supporting documents.)

      "Stewart" can be dated as a byname to c. 1370-88, 1423, and 1522,
      according to Academy of Saint Gabriel Report 1901 <http://www.s-
      gabriel.org/ 1901>. The earliest of these dates is temporally
      compatible with the earlier dates for "Gillian" and the latest with
      the Glouchestershire citation. (Academy of Saint Gabriel reports are
      also no-photocopy resources.) There are a few additional online
      articles dating "Stewart" to the 13th or 14th <http://www.s-
      gabriel.org/ names/symonFrese r/scottish14/ scottish14. html> and the
      late 15th or 16th century <http://www.s- gabriel.org/ names/ursula/
      ordermembers. html> <http://medievalscot land.org/ scotnames/ lowland16/
      >. (If you use them, however, you will have to print them out and
      attach copies to your submission forms.)

      So, "Gillian Stewart" looks like a very plausible name for pretty
      much any period between the middle of the 13th century and the end of
      the 16th. (And you can prove it without making dozens of pages of
      photocopies, which is an all-around good thing.)

      By the way, "Stewart" is just a distinctively Scottish variant of the
      English byname "Steward", which is dated in that spelling to 1587 in
      Academy of Saint Gabriel Report 2610 <http://www.s- gabriel.org/
      2610>. That's temporally compatible with the Glouchestershire
      citation for "Gillian". So if you have an English persona, you could
      use the entirely English (and equally easy to document) "Gillian
      Steward".

      > Can I put a fox proper on a colored field or do I need to put it on
      > a metal?

      The table of conventional proper colorings in College of Arms'
      official Glossary of Terms <http://heraldry. sca.org/heraldry /
      coagloss.html# proper> defines a fox proper as, "[r]ed with black
      'socks' and white at tip of tail," and categorizes is as being part
      of the color tincture class. If foxes weren't covered in that table,
      you could determine what types of fields you could place one on by
      turning to Part VIII.2 of the Rules for Submissions of the College of
      Arms of the S.C.A. <http://heraldry. sca.org/heraldry /laurel/
      rfs.html#8.2> , where it says, "Good contrast exists between. . .[a]
      metal and a charge, blazoned as proper, that is predominantly dark,"
      and, "The field must have good contrast with every charge placed
      directly on it. . .."

      Coblaith Muimnech
      <mailto:Coblaith@sbcglobal. net>
      <http://coblaith. net>



















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