Re: [SCA Newcomers] More scribe advice
I think I may have been a scribe in a past life, I sure do know where to find a lot of info considering I've never made a scroll in my life. :)
I found this nice little Intro to Calligraphy which might be useful to you. http://us.geocities.com/armonye@.../Icallig.html It has all sorts of info about different supplies and some links as to where to get things. It mentions a site http://www.paperinkarts.com which I've heard other scribes say is a very good source for supplies. In regards to the Bristol paper, your best bet would probably be to try your local art supply store if you have one.
From: Judith Epstein <judith@...>
Sent: Fri, October 2, 2009 3:57:16 PM
Subject: [SCA Newcomers] More scribe advice
Can anyone recommend a good source for Bristol paper? I need it to be...
* of at least 92lb weight
* ivory/ecru/" parchment" (read: old-looking) color
* large in size, like around 14" x 17"
* otherwise suitable to calligraphy, using non-waterproof India or
* cold-pressed if possible, hot-pressed is fine if cold-pressed isn't
Bonus points: Can someone tell me where I can find left-handed slant
calligraphy nibs and holders, or at least straight-cut ones?
More bonus points: How much is "fairly inexpensive" when it comes to
slant-top writing surfaces? Can anyone recommend a source for these?
Judith / no SCA name yet
Master Albrecht Waldfurster' s Egg
Midrealm, Ayreton, Tree-Girt-Sea (Chicago, IL)
- Judith wrote:
> Can someone tell me where I can find left-handed slant calligraphyMy local craft chain stores (Hobby Lobby, Michaels, etc.) carry
> nibs and holders, or at least straight-cut ones?
beginners' sets with left-hand nibs. (I don't think holders come in
handed versions.) You might want to start by checking those in your
Dick Blick Art Supplies carries Speedball left-hand and universal dip
and holders that they fit into <http://www.dickblick.com/products/
If you don't have a left-handed teacher, by the way, you might find a
book like Vance Studley's _Left-Handed Calligraphy_ <http://
books.google.com/books?id=OBFsFAP9dsMC> a worthwhile investment.
> How much is "fairly inexpensive" when it comes to slant-top writingI've seen small unfinished wooden ones of the slant-top box variety
> surfaces? Can anyone recommend a source for these?
for about $15 <http://www.craft-supplies-online.com/productdetail.asp?
item_nbr=038-724> and modern drawing boards with legs for a little
more than twice that <http://www.dickblick.com/products/scheewe-
As is true of most S.C.A. gear, you'll get better quality for the
money if you make instead of buy. You might consider something like
Lia de Thornegge's portable scribal desk <http://www.geocities.com/
lia_de_thornegge/desk/index.html>, or one of the types Mahee of Acre
has designed <http://geocities.com/maithgen/wood/desks.html>. Randy
Asplund's scribe tools page <http://www.randyasplund.com/browse/
scribepg/scritool.html> offers enough information on a Gothic example
of another style to allow an experienced woodworker to draw up her or
his own plans. The simple hinged desk pictured at <http://www.uu.edu/
Paleography_Project_Scribal_Desk.htm> is something even I could
probably manage. The royal writing box seen at <http://www.vam.ac.uk/
collections/furniture/videos/royal_desk/broadband.html> would require
an expert (or three). The much simpler Shaker Lap Desk for which
Woodworkers' Workshop has webbed plans <http://www.ibiblio.org/twa/
plans/plans/shakerlapdesk.pdf> is similar in intent, however.
Barony of Bryn Gwlad
Kingdom of Ansteorra
- Quoth Finnseach de Locheil/Judith Winner:
> Judith Epstein wrote:This is something that I've wondered about. I've heard this
> > Can anyone recommend a good source for Bristol paper? I need it to be...
> > * of at least 92lb weight
> > * ivory/ecru/"parchment" (read: old-looking) color
> Actually, you want white. No, really.
> While the extant manuscripts we see today are an off-white/ecru color, they
> didn't start out that way. They started out as white as possible.
claimed many times, but if you look at parchment which is
created nowadays, it is often not white, but slightly off-white.
Is this because parchment made today is made to look like it's
old, or what?
vita sine literis mors est
- Sara L Uckelman wrote:
> This is something that I've wondered about. I've heard thisI think it's more a matter of process, as in time it takes (and money). It's a
> claimed many times, but if you look at parchment which is
> created nowadays, it is often not white, but slightly off-white.
> Is this because parchment made today is made to look like it's
> old, or what?
lot more involved to get the vellum (calf) or parchment (sheep, goat, etc.)
closer to white than it does to get it "nearly white." Of course, I'm not a
vellum maker, nor a tanner so take it for what it's worth.
"I'm buying this fleece/fiber now in case I have an emergency... you know,
sickness, flood, injury, mosquito infestations, not enough chocolate in the
house, it's Tuesday, I need it for my research project..." ;)
- I had the pleasure of helping make some goat skin vellum/parchment this year. I did most of the scraping of the fat off of the skin. As a reward for my assistance I was gifted the entire skin.
That skin had nothing done to it that would make it be anything but it's natural color.
It is indeed NOT white. To make vellum/parchment white the skin itself would have had to be white OR it would have had to go through some kind of bleaching process.
Having worked with and held in my hands parchment from various eras and places I can assure you that vellum that was white when created can stay white till this very day. Oh, I'm sure there is some aging process that would color it, but I have held hundreds of years old white vellum in my hands that was still white.
Ian the Green
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, Finnseach de Locheil/Judith Winner <fionnseachdelochielle@...> wrote:
> Sara L Uckelman wrote:
> > This is something that I've wondered about. I've heard this
> > claimed many times, but if you look at parchment which is
> > created nowadays, it is often not white, but slightly off-white.
> > Is this because parchment made today is made to look like it's
> > old, or what?
- On Fri, 2009-10-02 at 17:43 -0400, Finnseach de Locheil/Judith Winner
> While the extant manuscripts we see today are an off-white/ecru color,You know, I've been in the SCA almost twenty years, and I didn't know
> didn't start out that way. They started out as white as possible.
that! Any day in which I start out by learning something new is a good
day. Thanks for sharing, Finnseach.
Maistor Justinos Tekton called Justin (Scott Courtney)
Gules, on a bezant a fleam sable and on a chief dovetailed Or two keys
fesswise reversed sable.