Re: [SCA Newcomers] 12-16th century Irish clothing
- Thank you for responding to my question and for the links...now to go check them out...
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, bronwynmgn@... wrote:
> In a message dated 3/3/2009 2:01:09 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> lil420pixie@... writes:
> <<can anyone tell me where I can find patterns or instructions to make
> Irish garb in the 12-16 centuries? thanks>>
> The best source for Irish clothing is _http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/_
> (http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/) . Kass has quite a few articles on
> Irish clothing; click on Articles on the menu across the top. For patterns,
> click on the green link Patterns on the top right, then Irish and Scottish in
> the grey bar underneath.
> I know most of what is here is 16th century, but that's because that's what
> Kass has been able to find solid evidence for. She's been to Ireland and
> actually handled some of the extant garments from the period. I think she has some
> conjectural stuff in the articles. I know Kass, and she's a stickler for
> getting it right.
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- lil420pixie wrote:
> can anyone tell me where I can find patterns or instructions to makeI'm aware of only one company that prints well-researched patterns for
> Irish garb in the 12-16 centuries?
Irish clothing--Reconstructing History
and they don't yet offer anything earlier than the 16th century.
There are two good printed sources on the history of Irish clothing:
_Dress in Ireland: A History_, by Mairead Dunlevy, is widely available.
You should be able to find it through Inter-Library Loan (in the
States, at least) as well as through any number of on- and off-line
vendors. The author has webbed a brief article on the history of
clothing in county Clare
<http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/history/costume.htm> that you
might find somewhat useful.
_Old Irish and Highland Dress, with Notes on That of the Isle of Man_,
by H.F. McClintock, is an older book, long out of print, which is
difficult to find in hard copy anywhere. It is available in a PDF
facsimile edition from Unicorn Limited
The Moy gown is generally considered to be from the 14th or 15th
For the 16th century, most people turn to Lucas de Heere's sketches for
information. The article by Dunlevy that I mentioned above includes one
of these. It also appears, along with another and some discussion of
how one might make the represented clothes, in Reconstructing History's
"What the Irish Wore: What We Wear at Reenactments"
A few other articles that you might find useful are offered on the
Reconstructing History site; just click "Irish" at the top of the page
to view a list.
The Shinrone gown
may date to the late 16th century, and does resemble one of the dresses
de Heere drew.
That's about all I can point you to, for the four centuries that
interest you. There's not a lot out there on Irish clothing from any
Of course, not everybody in Ireland wore distinctively Irish clothing.
There were areas and classes in which English clothing was typical,
late in period. If you're interested in playing an Anglicized Irish
persona, you might consider a pattern from Margo Anderson's Historic
Costume Patterns <http://www.margospatterns.com/> or _The Tudor Tailor_
<http://www.tudortailor.com/>. For more information, generally, visit
the Elizabethan Costume Page <http://elizabethancostume.net>, the
Renaissance Tailor <http://www.renaissancetailor.com/>, and Extreme
Barony of Bryn Gwlad
Kingdom of Ansteorra
- This is a good place to start:
I am starting you on her Irish Articles page, becuase they are valuable informaiton on what to look for, but she sells patterns.
Also, Kass has a presense here on Yahoo, ReconstructingHistory....
And nothing beats the Book of Kells for ilumniations of what it looked like then:
"lil420pixie" <lil420pixie@...> wrote:
> can anyone tell me where I can find patterns or instructions to make
> Irish garb in the 12-16 centuries? thanks