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  • Rachel A. Osborn
    I am new to a virginly fresh degree and would love some assistance in finding myself . I ve narrowed it down to using my current last name and going with the
    Message 1 of 13 , Apr 28, 2008
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      I am new to a virginly fresh degree and would love some assistance
      in "finding myself". I've narrowed it down to using my current last
      name and going with the Scottish heritage of it as opposed to the
      English. I plan on being a fighter so I will need advice on finding,
      firstly a period, and then the propper attire. The dresses and such
      wont be hard to come by, they can be easily made by my sister but the
      leather armor is going to be trickier.

      I'm thinking of a few names I may go with, any other suggestions I'd
      adore.

      Anabell, Isabele, Ellene are some I'm considering. Note on the armor
      portions I'm of a limited budget so bargin shopping suggestions would
      be greatly appreciated.
    • julian wilson
      Dear Rachel, it will help List Members to help you if you tell us where you live - either in modern or in SCA terms. The someone can direct you to the SCA
      Message 2 of 13 , Apr 28, 2008
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        Dear Rachel,
        it will help List Members to help you if you tell us where you live - either in modern or in SCA terms.
        The someone can direct you to the SCA "welcome person" [Chatelain(e)/ Castellan/ Hospitaller] in your area who will have much experience in answering the questions you know YOU have already, plus those which haven't occurred to you yet - but which all newbies ask eventually.
         
        In Service to The dream and to Drachenwald,
        Matthew Baker,
        newly appointed West Dragonshire Hospitaller,
        Insulæ Draconis, Drachenwald.

        --- On Mon, 28/4/08, Rachel A. Osborn <specialist_9@...> wrote:







        I am new to a virginly fresh degree and would love some assistance
        in "finding myself". I've narrowed it down to using my current last
        name and going with the Scottish heritage of it as opposed to the
        English. I plan on being a fighter so I will need advice on finding,
        firstly a period, and then the propper attire. The dresses and such
        wont be hard to come by, they can be easily made by my sister but the
        leather armor is going to be trickier.

        I'm thinking of a few names I may go with, any other suggestions I'd
        adore.

        Anabell, Isabele, Ellene are some I'm considering. Note on the armor
        portions I'm of a limited budget so bargin shopping suggestions would
        be greatly appreciated.

        .
      • Rachel A. Osborn
        I m currently in Southern Texas. Portland/Corpus area. ... live - either in modern or in SCA terms. ... (e)/ Castellan/ Hospitaller] in your area who will have
        Message 3 of 13 , Apr 28, 2008
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          I'm currently in Southern Texas. Portland/Corpus area.

          --- In scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com, julian wilson <smnco37@...>
          wrote:
          >
          > Dear Rachel,
          > it will help List Members to help you if you tell us where you
          live - either in modern or in SCA terms.
          > The someone can direct you to the SCA "welcome person" [Chatelain
          (e)/ Castellan/ Hospitaller] in your area who will have much
          experience in answering the questions you know YOU have already,
          plus those which haven't occurred to you yet - but which all newbies
          ask eventually.
          >  
          > In Service to The dream and to Drachenwald,
          > Matthew Baker,
          > newly appointed West Dragonshire Hospitaller,
          > Insulæ Draconis, Drachenwald.
          >
          > --- On Mon, 28/4/08, Rachel A. Osborn <specialist_9@...> wrote:
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          > I am new to a virginly fresh degree and would love some assistance
          > in "finding myself". I've narrowed it down to using my current
          last
          > name and going with the Scottish heritage of it as opposed to the
          > English. I plan on being a fighter so I will need advice on
          finding,
          > firstly a period, and then the propper attire. The dresses and
          such
          > wont be hard to come by, they can be easily made by my sister but
          the
          > leather armor is going to be trickier.
          >
          > I'm thinking of a few names I may go with, any other suggestions
          I'd
          > adore.
          >
          > Anabell, Isabele, Ellene are some I'm considering. Note on the
          armor
          > portions I'm of a limited budget so bargin shopping suggestions
          would
          > be greatly appreciated.
          >
          > .
          >
        • SidheMaiden
          Hello Rachel, It also helps to know which time period you re interested in. Scottish personas come in two different flavors , the Highlands and the Lowlands,
          Message 4 of 13 , Apr 28, 2008
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            Hello Rachel,
            It also helps to know which time period you're interested in. Scottish
            personas come in two different "flavors", the Highlands and the
            Lowlands, which also spoke different languages. Knowing a little about
            these things will help those of the list when pointing things out to you.

            Anabell:
            http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi?1011+0
            http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi?844+0
            http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi?810+0

            Isabele:
            http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi?1517+0
            http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi?2949+0

            Ellene:
            http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi?1439+0

            Eva



            Rachel A. Osborn wrote:
            >
            > I am new to a virginly fresh degree and would love some assistance
            > in "finding myself". I've narrowed it down to using my current last
            > name and going with the Scottish heritage of it as opposed to the
            > English. I plan on being a fighter so I will need advice on finding,
            > firstly a period, and then the propper attire. The dresses and such
            > wont be hard to come by, they can be easily made by my sister but the
            > leather armor is going to be trickier.
            >
            > I'm thinking of a few names I may go with, any other suggestions I'd
            > adore.
            >
            > Anabell, Isabele, Ellene are some I'm considering. Note on the armor
            > portions I'm of a limited budget so bargin shopping suggestions would
            > be greatly appreciated.
            >
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          • Rachel A. Osborn
            I honeslty haven t picked a period yet. One of the things I m ify on. As vain as it may sound, I d like to research the attire for the pending periods first.
            Message 5 of 13 , Apr 28, 2008
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              I honeslty haven't picked a period yet. One of the things I'm ify
              on. As vain as it may sound, I'd like to research the attire for the
              pending periods first.

              --- In scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com, SidheMaiden <sidhemaiden@...>
              wrote:
              >
              > Hello Rachel,
              > It also helps to know which time period you're interested in.
              Scottish
              > personas come in two different "flavors", the Highlands and the
              > Lowlands, which also spoke different languages. Knowing a little
              about
              > these things will help those of the list when pointing things out
              to you.
              >
              > Anabell:
              > http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi?1011+0
              > http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi?844+0
              > http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi?810+0
              >
              > Isabele:
              > http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi?1517+0
              > http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi?2949+0
              >
              > Ellene:
              > http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi?1439+0
              >
              > Eva
              >
              >
              >
              > Rachel A. Osborn wrote:
              > >
              > > I am new to a virginly fresh degree and would love some
              assistance
              > > in "finding myself". I've narrowed it down to using my current
              last
              > > name and going with the Scottish heritage of it as opposed to the
              > > English. I plan on being a fighter so I will need advice on
              finding,
              > > firstly a period, and then the propper attire. The dresses and
              such
              > > wont be hard to come by, they can be easily made by my sister
              but the
              > > leather armor is going to be trickier.
              > >
              > > I'm thinking of a few names I may go with, any other suggestions
              I'd
              > > adore.
              > >
              > > Anabell, Isabele, Ellene are some I'm considering. Note on the
              armor
              > > portions I'm of a limited budget so bargin shopping suggestions
              would
              > > be greatly appreciated.
              > >
              > >
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            • Eric Dickey
              Hi Rachel, You ll find yourself in the area of the Shire of Seawinds. The website is http://www.seawinds.org/ Once you take a look at that you ll find the
              Message 6 of 13 , Apr 28, 2008
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                Hi Rachel,
                You'll find yourself in the area of the Shire of Seawinds. The website is
                http://www.seawinds.org/
                Once you take a look at that you'll find the email addresses for the
                Hospitaler and Seneschal as well as the phone number for the Seneschal.
                Either one of them will be able to help you out on the local scene.

                Personally, if you are that new to the SCA, I would highly suggest that you
                might hold off on choosing a permanent name. There is a very good article
                on what not to do your first year in the SCA and I will see about posting it
                unless someone beats me too it.

                But Welcome and have fun!

                Yours in Service,
                Ld. Dietrich von Greyssen,
                incoming Seneschal, Barony of the Steppes

                On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 1:11 PM, Rachel A. Osborn <specialist_9@...>
                wrote:

                > I'm currently in Southern Texas. Portland/Corpus area.
                >
                > --- In scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com <scanewcomers%40yahoogroups.com>,
                > julian wilson <smnco37@...>
                > wrote:
                >
                > >
                > > Dear Rachel,
                > > it will help List Members to help you if you tell us where you
                > live - either in modern or in SCA terms.
                > > The someone can direct you to the SCA "welcome person" [Chatelain
                > (e)/ Castellan/ Hospitaller] in your area who will have much
                > experience in answering the questions you know YOU have already,
                > plus those which haven't occurred to you yet - but which all newbies
                > ask eventually.
                > >
                > > In Service to The dream and to Drachenwald,
                > > Matthew Baker,
                > > newly appointed West Dragonshire Hospitaller,
                > > Insulæ Draconis, Drachenwald.
                > >
                > > --- On Mon, 28/4/08, Rachel A. Osborn <specialist_9@...> wrote:
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > > I am new to a virginly fresh degree and would love some assistance
                > > in "finding myself". I've narrowed it down to using my current
                > last
                > > name and going with the Scottish heritage of it as opposed to the
                > > English. I plan on being a fighter so I will need advice on
                > finding,
                > > firstly a period, and then the propper attire. The dresses and
                > such
                > > wont be hard to come by, they can be easily made by my sister but
                > the
                > > leather armor is going to be trickier.
                > >
                > > I'm thinking of a few names I may go with, any other suggestions
                > I'd
                > > adore.
                > >
                > > Anabell, Isabele, Ellene are some I'm considering. Note on the
                > armor
                > > portions I'm of a limited budget so bargin shopping suggestions
                > would
                > > be greatly appreciated.
                > >
                > > .
                > >
                >
                >
                >


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              • Kyla
                Greetings and welcome! The SCA website has some really good suggestions regarding persona, name, garb and device choosing. I recommend reading the New To The
                Message 7 of 13 , Apr 28, 2008
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                  Greetings and welcome!

                  The SCA website has some really good suggestions regarding persona, name,
                  garb and device choosing.
                  I recommend reading the "New To The SCA?" link thoroughly.
                  There are garb data bases you can look through sorted by period or by
                  location.

                  http://www.sca.org/

                  You can also find the marshal's handbooks for heavy and light fighting, as
                  well as archery.
                  (Look in activities.)

                  There is lots of usefull stuff, including a VERY helpful FAQ sheet - off to
                  the left - on the Society webpage.
                  Once you have explored that, look for your kingdom webpage, and your local
                  barony/shire/canton webpage.

                  I am a fencer and an archer myself, and have made most of my equipment,
                  except my sword.

                  Tabitha Pennywarden
                  Ravenslake, Midlands,
                  Middle Kingdom



                  -----Original Message-----
                  From: scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com]On
                  Behalf Of Rachel A. Osborn
                  Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 12:58 PM
                  To: scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com
                  Subject: [SCA Newcomers] Soul searching...


                  I am new to a virginly fresh degree and would love some assistance
                  in "finding myself". I've narrowed it down to using my current last
                  name and going with the Scottish heritage of it as opposed to the
                  English. I plan on being a fighter so I will need advice on finding,
                  firstly a period, and then the propper attire. The dresses and such
                  wont be hard to come by, they can be easily made by my sister but the
                  leather armor is going to be trickier.

                  I'm thinking of a few names I may go with, any other suggestions I'd
                  adore.

                  Anabell, Isabele, Ellene are some I'm considering. Note on the armor
                  portions I'm of a limited budget so bargin shopping suggestions would
                  be greatly appreciated.






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                • Coblaith Mhuimhneach
                  ... The highland/lowland distinction only applies at the end of the 14th century and after, and even then it doesn t cover all the possibilities. What is now
                  Message 8 of 13 , Apr 28, 2008
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                    Eva wrote:
                    > Scottish personas come in two different "flavors", the Highlands and
                    > the Lowlands, which also spoke different languages.

                    The highland/lowland distinction only applies at the end of the 14th
                    century and after, and even then it doesn't cover all the
                    possibilities. What is now Scotland was a very culturally diverse area
                    in our period.

                    If you're interested in all the different cultures and languages native
                    to Scotland in various parts of our period, the introduction to the
                    Medieval Names Archive guide to Scottish names
                    <http://s-gabriel.org/names/scottish.shtml> has a good summary, and
                    Scottish Names 101 (listed on that page) has a little more info.


                    Coblaith Mhuimhneach
                    Barony of Bryn Gwlad
                    Kingdom of Ansteorra
                    <mailto:Coblaith@...>
                  • Coblaith Mhuimhneach
                    ... Fortunately, that happens to work well in your case. I found these variants in the Medieval Names Archive: FitzOsbern , from 1066
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                      Rachel A. Osborn wrote:
                      > I've narrowed it down to using my current last name. . .

                      Fortunately, that happens to work well in your case. I found these
                      variants in the Medieval Names Archive:

                      "FitzOsbern", from 1066
                      <http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/arval/hastings.html> ("Fitz" means
                      "son of"; I don't know how you'd need to change the name to make it
                      appropriate for a woman, but we could find out.)

                      "Oseberne" from 1292
                      <http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/english/surlondon1292.html>

                      "Hoseberne", from 1319
                      <http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/english/surlondon1319.html>

                      "Osbarne", "Osbern'", "Osberne", and "Osborne", from 1332
                      <http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/mari/LincLSR/BynN.html>

                      "Osbern" from 1431 <http://www.trytel.com/~tristan/towns/mapp1_2e.html>

                      "Osborn" and "Osborne" from 1541
                      <http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/english/engsurlondon1541.html>

                      "Osborne" from 1572 and 1583
                      <http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/english/frocester.html>

                      "Osburn" from 1577
                      <http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~exy1/fh_material/
                      alehouses_1577.txt>

                      "Osborne" from 1582
                      <http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/english/engsurlondon1582n-z.html>

                      "Osborne" from 1593-1600
                      <http://socrates.berkeley.edu/~ahnelson/SUBSIDY/indexr.html>

                      "Osbarn", "Osebarn", "Ossebarne", and "Ossebarn" from 1595
                      <http://my.stratos.net/~bmscott/kempe1595.html>

                      "Osborne" from the late 16th century
                      <http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/christian/fairnames/surnames.html#list>

                      "Osborne" from the late 16th century (again)
                      <http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/english/late16.html>


                      I also found "de Osberneby" in 1332
                      <http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/mari/LincLSR/BynN.html> and an "Osbon",
                      which may or may not be a variant of "Osborn", in 1588
                      <http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/mari/chesham/chesham-surnames-3.html>.


                      > . . .and going with the Scottish heritage of it. . .

                      Osborn is an English (language) name--originally a patronymic, derived
                      from the Old English personal name "Ósbern"
                      <http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/english/surlondon1319.html>.
                      Clearly the name entered use in Scotland at some point, but I couldn't
                      find any form of it in any of the Scottish name lists, so I can offer
                      you no evidence as to when it might have done so. Your herald may be
                      able to find print sources documenting some form of it there.

                      If you don't find evidence of it in period in Scotland, however, you
                      needn't worry too much about it. It's certainly plausible that it
                      might have been used there. English was spoken in parts of what's now
                      Scotland through at least most of the S.C.A.'s core period, and there
                      was always a lot of trade and cross-migration between the two. And if
                      you don't want an English (cultural) personal name, you can still
                      choose one documented in Scots. Because they're closely related
                      languages that were spoken in overlapping areas, mixing the two in a
                      name is perfectly acceptable.

                      > I will need advice on finding, firstly a period, and then the propper
                      > attire.

                      The very first thing you need to do is determine from what culture your
                      persona will be. What she would've worn will be a function of that.
                      You can read a little about Scottish women's clothing at
                      <http://www.medievalscotland.org/clothing/scotwomen.shtml>.

                      Since you're using an English byname, the logical choice would be to
                      make her Old-English-, English-, or Scots-speaking, depending on the
                      time frame. (If you're from the last couple of centuries of our
                      period, that'd make you a lowlander.) Clothing of women from these
                      backgrounds very closely resembled that of the English from the same
                      periods, so you can look to sources on England for ideas.

                      Regia Anglorum's clothing articles
                      <http://www.regia.org/members/basclot4.htm> give a good indication of
                      what you'd see in early period. (Just disregard anything described as
                      "Norse", "Scandinavian", or "Viking"; that's not the culture you're
                      looking at.) You can find links to sites with information on later
                      periods in the Kingdom of Atlantia A&S Links for English clothing
                      <http://moas.atlantia.sca.org/wsnlinks/index.php?
                      action=displaycat&catid=1212>. Once you've got a period or two in
                      mind, write back and somebody on this list will probably be able to
                      point you to more resources.


                      > Anabell, Isabele, Ellene are some [personal names] I'm considering.

                      Excellent! Variants of these names all appear in lists of period names
                      of Scots-speaking women, and would combine well with an English
                      surname. I found:

                      in "A List of Feminine Personal Names Found in Scottish Records, Part
                      Two: Pre-1400 Names"
                      <http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/talan/scottishfem/
                      scottishfemearly.html>

                      "Anabella" around 1250

                      "Elene" in 1266 and 1392, "Elayne" in 1296, "Elena" in 1271, "Eleyne"
                      in 1296, and "Elyne" around 1300

                      "Ysabell" around 1240, "Isabele" in 1296, "Ysabella" in 1365, and
                      "Isabelle" in 1377


                      in "A List of Feminine Personal Names Found in Scottish Records, Part
                      Three: Post-1400 Names"
                      <http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/talan/scottishfem/scottishfemlate.html>

                      "Anabelle" in 1410 and "Annabell" 1589

                      "Elen" in 1533, 1544, and 1548 and "Elena" in 1411

                      "Isobella" in 1545, "Issabella" in 1527, and "Issobell" in 1530 and 1597


                      in "Names of women mentioned in the Perth Guildry Book 1464-1598"
                      <http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/scots/perth.html>

                      "Elena" in 1488, 1542, 1565, and 1566

                      "Isobella", "Isabella", and "Issabella" all in the mid-to-late 16th
                      century


                      in "Early 16th Century Scottish Lowland Names"
                      <http://www.medievalscotland.org/scotnames/lowland16/
                      womeninstances.shtml>

                      "Annabill", "Annaple’", "Annabell", "Annable’", and "Annapill"

                      "Elene", "Ellen", "Elena’", and "Ellene"

                      "Isabell", "Isabele", "Esibell", "Issobell", and "Jasabel"


                      Since variants of Osborn are documented to the whole range from the
                      11th to the 16th century, you shouldn't have trouble finding one from
                      the same period as whichever personal name you choose from these lists
                      or from the articles from which they come.

                      Just remember that you need to document the specific variant you want
                      to use. Something only spelled similarly won't work, unless you can
                      provide evidence that the changes you've made are consistent with
                      period practice and document the linguistic and orthographic patterns
                      on which you've based them. (It's easier just to choose a real
                      medieval or Renaissance spelling in the first place, believe me.)

                      Congrats, by the way, on having the good sense to do the research to
                      pick a realistic name in the first place, instead of setting your heart
                      on something you've made up or read in a fantasy novel and then trying
                      five, ten, or fifteen years down the road to find some document that
                      will magically make it a real historic name so you can register it.
                      You're going about this the right way.


                      Coblaith Mhuimhneach
                      Barony of Bryn Gwlad
                      Kingdom of Ansteorra
                      <mailto:Coblaith@...>
                    • Coblaith Mhuimhneach
                      ... Since the personal names you said you re considering are feminine, I m going to assume you re planning to have a female persona. Since you mentioned
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                        Rachel A. Osborn wrote:
                        > I plan on being a fighter so I will need advice on finding, firstly a
                        > period, and then the propper attire. The dresses and such wont be hard
                        > to come by, they can be easily made by my sister but the leather armor
                        > is going to be trickier.
                        >
                        > I'm thinking of a few names I may go with. . .Anabell, Isabele, Ellene
                        > are some I'm considering. Note on the armor portions I'm of a limited
                        > budget so bargin shopping suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

                        Since the personal names you said you're considering are feminine, I'm
                        going to assume you're planning to have a female persona. Since you
                        mentioned "leather armor", I'm also going to assume you want to do
                        armored combat (as opposed to rapier).

                        What a fighters is comfortable wearing is a very individual thing. You
                        shouldn't invest money in armor based solely on somebody else's
                        recommendation, because they may not have the same needs and
                        preferences that you have. There are a lot of options out there. It's
                        best to try a few of them, if you can, before you spend any money.

                        Your branch should have loaner armor that you can use to "try out"
                        fighting. Borrow it, use it, and pay attention to what you like and
                        don't like about it. Many fighters are also willing to let newcomers
                        try on their armor (or various parts of it) and even get hit a couple
                        of times wearing it to get a feel for what it's like to move in it and
                        how it responds to blows. Their armor won't fit you as well as it
                        (hopefully) fits them, of course, but you should be able to identify
                        types of armor that you hate and types that might suit you. If your
                        branch is small you may have to go to big events or to fighter
                        practices in nearby branches to find fighters that approximate your
                        size and shape, but it'll be worth it.

                        Once you've got a list of likes and dislikes to go from, you can start
                        looking into ways to put together a kit that will work for you and is
                        within your budget. Local fighters should be a good resource for
                        information on places to buy materials.

                        It's also important to remember that it is *not* necessary that your
                        "regular" S.C.A. clothing and your fighting gear reflect the same place
                        and time. Many fighters do choose to develop personae that work as
                        well on the field as off, and put together armor and weapons that
                        approximate what their persona would've worn, but that's a personal
                        choice. (And if your persona is female, it's one that isn't nearly as
                        open to you. There are very few places and times in the S.C.A.'s core
                        period where any woman might have entered an armed tournament, and none
                        where it would've been perceived as normal for her to do so on a
                        regular basis.) Don't feel that you have to choose a persona based on
                        the armor you like or can afford. They're separate considerations.


                        Coblaith Mhuimhneach
                        Barony of Bryn Gwlad
                        Kingdom of Ansteorra
                        <mailto:Coblaith@...>
                      • Crystal ortiz
                        Greetings from the hot land of Trimaris (FL) where the sunshine is only out marked by the beauty of our land...NOW having gotten THAT out of the way... Where
                        Message 11 of 13 , Apr 28, 2008
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                          Greetings from the hot land of Trimaris (FL) where the sunshine is only out marked by the beauty of our land...NOW having gotten THAT out of the way...
                          Where do you live? What sort of fighting are you thinking about doing? Heavy? Light? I personally do both, I do combat archery and fencing. I  had a good gentle from my kingdom create my armor custom and he didn't charge an arm and leg. Let me know if you want his info...I am emailing him your information tonight to see if he can help you as well.
                          -Crisitana Samari de Gabriel of Bentonshire


                          ----- Original Message ----
                          From: Rachel A. Osborn <specialist_9@...>
                          To: scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com
                          Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 1:58:00 PM
                          Subject: [SCA Newcomers] Soul searching...


                          I am new to a virginly fresh degree and would love some assistance
                          in "finding myself". I've narrowed it down to using my current last
                          name and going with the Scottish heritage of it as opposed to the
                          English. I plan on being a fighter so I will need advice on finding,
                          firstly a period, and then the propper attire. The dresses and such
                          wont be hard to come by, they can be easily made by my sister but the
                          leather armor is going to be trickier.

                          I'm thinking of a few names I may go with, any other suggestions I'd
                          adore.

                          Anabell, Isabele, Ellene are some I'm considering. Note on the armor
                          portions I'm of a limited budget so bargin shopping suggestions would
                          be greatly appreciated.




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                        • K Smith
                          ... I know I haven t posted before, but I ve always heard that the Fitz at the beginning of a surname was for a son born out of wedlock, meaning bas***d son
                          Message 12 of 13 , Apr 29, 2008
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                            --- In scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com, Coblaith Mhuimhneach
                            <Coblaith@...> wrote:
                            >

                            > "FitzOsbern", from 1066
                            > <http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/arval/hastings.html> ("Fitz" means
                            > "son of"; I don't know how you'd need to change the name to make it
                            > appropriate for a woman, but we could find out.)

                            I know I haven't posted before, but I've always heard that the "Fitz"
                            at the beginning of a surname was for a son born out of wedlock,
                            meaning "bas***d son of" so and so.
                          • Coblaith Mhuimhneach
                            ... That s a common misconception. I m not sure where it got started, but I suspect it s as widespread as it is because it s such a popular device in novels
                            Message 13 of 13 , Apr 29, 2008
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                              K Smith wrote:
                              > . . .I've always heard that the "Fitz" at the beginning of a surname
                              > was for a son born out of wedlock, meaning "bas***d son of" so and so.

                              That's a common misconception. I'm not sure where it got started, but
                              I suspect it's as widespread as it is because it's such a popular
                              device in novels with fantasy or historical settings.

                              In fact, "fitz" just means "son of", and is as applicable to a son
                              sired on a wife as one sired on anyone else. It ultimately comes from
                              the Latin "filius" ("son"), which gave rise to the Old French phrase
                              "le fiz" or "le fuiz" ("the son of"), which was taken to England by the
                              Normans and eventually shortened and Anglicized as you see.


                              Coblaith Mhuimhneach
                              Barony of Bryn Gwlad
                              Kingdom of Ansteorra
                              <mailto:Coblaith@...>
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