RE: [SCA Newcomers] My Rant + My Suggestion: SCA heavy combat lacks any authenticity
- The wrist snap is a skill that has to be developed with the muscles in the
wrist. Has nothing to do with how big and strong you are unless you spend
hours a day doing nothing but wrist snaps. (I know knights who do hundreds
of shots on a pell training up for crown lyst) My sword is 33 inches long,
just under 3 feet but most of the weight is in my metal basket hilt. Rattan
alone is light it's all the other stuff you put on it that brings the
weight. I shave the rattan to get the outer layer of skin off then I wrap it
in packing tape, (the tape that has the strings inside of it for added
strength) for about two layers all over the stick, then I put on the
thrusting tip with its required taping. Then I duct tape the whole thing
from one end to the other. Once that's done I put red Duct tape over the
thrusting tip area of the sword so it can be identified and then run red
electrical tape as the "cutting edge" of the blade. I put my basket hilt on
using screw down clamps on both ends and electrical tape those. I also use
tennis racket hand grip tape on the rattan inside the basket so I have a
better grip with a leather trigger. I also put in a leather lanyard so my
sword doesn't fly away should I lose it. By the time that's done id
guesstimate I'm over 5 or 6lbs. I don't have a scale at the moment or I'd be
more precise. I've been told I go heavy on the tape but I hate shattering a
sword, it's a pain to switch out in time to continue and usually the fight
is over before your done.
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Subject: Re: [SCA Newcomers] My Rant + My Suggestion: SCA heavy combat lacks
If your sca rattan sword is under 3ft long yet weighs as much as a
3ft long 2x4 piece of lumber(3 pounds) then your weapon is a rarity.
I'm strong and I can't wrist snap a 3ft section of 2x4 half as fast
as the guys I see the guys swinging in sca tournaments.
--- In scanewcomers@ <mailto:scanewcomers%40yahoogroups.com>
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> My sword is under 3ft and weighs more than three pounds after I've
> the tape, thrusting tip and basket hilt! As a matter of fact Icollect
> swords and my rattan sword is heavier than a lot of them up until Iget to a
> one and a half hand blade. My basket hilt is not considered heavyeither.
> I've seen some that the basket alone was over 3lbs. Now there aresome folks
> who don't use basket hilts and just use a crossbar which is made ofvarious
> materials and can make the weapon "light". I don't personally agreewith
> this even if wearing a full gauntlet, seen too many gauntlets getshattered
> from hard hits. (rivets can only take so much abuse) I personallyfeel the
> cross guard should be one of the metal variety which can bepurchased from
> various vendors and are safer than a foamy cross guard.said it > sounded like you saw the weapons from video's. Don't under
>I have one question
> for you, have you handled some rattan weapons? From what you've
>estimate the > rattan, it looks light and can be easily taken asNo, I have not handled an sca rattan sword. After watching the
filipino stick fighting err, I mean heavy sca combat videos...I'm
sort of turned off to participating. But, I might consruct "swords"
as I think they should be and take them to my local sca group's
practice to test and film.
>Also there is a> medieval reenactors group in Russia that doesPlease stop suggesting my weapon idea is somehow more lethal than a
>exactly what your suggesting,> every battle they send folks to the
>hospital with broken fingers, arms, legs> and worst of all broken
rattan stick which can easily kill someone in a single full force
blow. I'm talking about hollow, flexible pvc wrapped in bed sheet.
>Your also on aother
> track that has been spoken of for years on rattan and has caused
> groups to fracture off of the SCA into boffer weapons and the like.It comes
> down to preference really. If you haven't had the opportunity totry our
> weapons go down to your friendly neighborhood fighter practice andtry one.
> But so you see where im coming from, I agree some swords do appearlight and
> some may be light but in general most are over 3 lbs and dependingon
> persona's culture and or personal preference usually over 3ft,though there
> are exceptions.Strange that the sca doesn't specify minimum weight eh? None of the 1-
h swords I saw in the one vs one videos were 3 pounds. Impossible.
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- On Tuesday 01 April 2008 08:33:08 Eric Dickey wrote:
> It has been asked that this thread die on this email list and although I amThank you, Lord Dietrich
> enjoying reading this, I agree it is time to let it go off of this list.
> Please continue to discuss this here:
I encourage anyone who wishes to discuss this topic further to move to
the new list. You are of course welcome to remain on *this* list as well,
to discuss issues of specific interest to SCA newcomers. It's the topic
that needs to migrate elsewhere, not the people. :-)
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