Re: [SCA Newcomers] coat of arms
- Quoth "wayne_schlapkohl":
> I'm a complete newbie at this, so excuse a naive question. My wife justBoth you and your wife should check out this FAQ entry from the
> received a copy of her coat of arms from a heraldry site. She was a bit
> sceptical though saying, "I come from a long line of peasants and
> farmers. Why would my family need a coat of arms?" I don't have an
> answer. Did even relatively rare names or names of people in lower
> economic statuses have coat of arms. That would include my name too. I
> think I too come from a long line of peasants.
This will probably explain some of the (prefectly correct!) skepticism
that she had. Arms belonged to a person, not a family or a surname.
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- Thanks a ton for those responses.
Labhaoise's comment has me curious now!
Labhaoise commented "Just because there is a coat of arms for "your"
name doesn't mean that you are in any way qualified to it. ...Why do
you think your name is rare? Are you the only ones you know, have
they died out in the area you come from? Many names that are rare
here and now, were common somewhere and sometime."
You are right, I know very few Schlapkohl(s) and I think I read once
there are only 90 in North America. But in Germany there may be many
I am probably barking up a dead end here, and I've read the latter
comments that say if I am interested in a coat of arms I should speak
to a herald to help me design one of mine own. OK, I'm happy to do
that but, but, well I am curious if I come from the line of
Schlapkohls that once had the coat of arms I've seen (yes in malls
and heraldry web sites). Is there a way of finding out what
individual had been granted a coat of arms or is that just
impossible. Schlapkohl is an old name (the oldest reference I've seen
is the 1380s so were talking about some 700 years of relatives here),
so I would (maybe with some grumbling:) accept it if you folks
said "no, it's just impossible to do that kind of geneology."
- Quoth "wayne_schlapkohl":
> and heraldry web sites). Is there a way of finding out whatIt's possible, but sometimes difficult.
> individual had been granted a coat of arms or is that just
If the coat of arms was either granted by the English College
of Arms, or is something that was ratified by them, then it's
probably possible to find information in their records
(though those records are in general restricted in access).
Another way to find out whether someone with a particular
surname had a coat of arms would be to look through medieval
rolls of arms or armorials; these are page of arms, usually
in full achievement, listed with the bearer's name. The
Medieval Heraldry Archive, http://www.s-gabriel.org/heraldry/,
has links to a number of armorials available in electronic
format. As libraries digitize their old books and manuscripts,
more of these armorials are becoming easily accessible.
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- On Jan 2, 2008 9:17 PM, Signora Beatrice <signorabeatrice@...> wrote:
> [reluctant snippage of some very amusing content]Pray tell who is spreading this nasty rumor?!!! I sent but one teensey
> Contrary to (occasionlly pouplar) belief, Heralds are not ogres, and we
> really do WANT to help you.
weensie little e-mail to one herald, and he sent it to one of those e-mail
lists you mentioned, and then forwarded close to 10 replies to me -- some
incredibly volumous -- within half a day. I've never seen such helpful
*e-hugs random herald*
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- --- Carrie McGinnis <furdreams@...> wrote:
> On Jan 2, 2008 9:17 PM, Signora Beatrice <signorabeatrice@...>Carrie, thank you for your support, and I'm glad you had such a positive
> > [reluctant snippage of some very amusing content]
> > Contrary to (occasionlly pouplar) belief, Heralds are not ogres, and
> > we really do WANT to help you.
> Pray tell who is spreading this nasty rumor?!!! I sent but one teensey
> weensie little e-mail to one herald, and he sent it to one of those
> e-mail lists you mentioned, and then forwarded close to 10 replies to
> me -- some incredibly volumous -- within half a day. I've never seen
> such helpful people!
experience with the Heralds.
Unfortunately, there are a few things that can happen that lead to people
having a negative impression of heralds:
1) Running into a particularly crotchety herald (I've met them, they do
exist, but they're becoming more rare)
2) Getting your heart set on something that WILL NOT pass, and taking it
personally when the heralds tell you so (repeatedly).
3) Being told by a well meaning person one answer, and finding out later
from a herald that the answer you were given is wrong (see #2 above).
Heraldic registration in the SCA, thanks to the internet, is becoming more
and more a transparent process, which leads to more and better information
out there, and easy ways to debunk myths and misinformation before it
spreads too far. (I imagine this is true for any area of SCA research,
but with most areas, you don't have the Laurel Sovereign making judgement
on everyone's submissions.) The internet has also helped even the most
remote branches get access to the best Heralds in the world, making
research and shared knowledge easier (again, true for any discipline).
As I said before, Heralds are happy to help, anxious to help, and would be
overjoyed to be asked to help BEFORE you get your heart set on something,
so we can steer you towards more period sources and designs.
I would like to think that the overall impression that non-heralds have of
heralds is positive, and is becoming more positive over time. The College
of Arms is working for that, as is each Kingdom College of Heralds. I'm
glad to see, Carrie, that it is positive for you.
*sighs* Now if we could just take chips off shoulders and erase bad
memories of heralds-past....
Signora Beatrice Domenici della Campana, AoA
Tree-Girt-Sea, Midlands, Middle Kingdom
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