Re: [SCA Newcomers] hierarchy
- Thank you for this well-thought out reply! I think you've said it all,
in a very persuasive way, and I am in complete agreement.
Shire of Ramsgaard, Principality of Tir Righ,
Kingdom of An Tir
Elizabeth Bair wrote:
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: "Oakes, George" <goakes@...
> > To: email@example.com <mailto:scanewcomers%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 1:07:06 PM
> > Subject: RE: [SCA Newcomers] hierarchy
> > Based on the statement below, if your not a heavy fighter, you may not
> > be in a position of hierarchy?
> > for instance, I just enter Archery Tournements, and dont wish to fight,
> > nor do I think my body would withstand the abuse....
> > So I will never be in a position of Honor? with regards to the crown?
> Forgive the lateness of my reply, but I only joined the list very
> There are a great many positions of honor apart from wearing the Crown
> in the SCA. I think that it is our modern "only the 'winner' matters"
> mindset that causes many new participants to the the Crown as the
> "all or nothing" pinnacle. It's not. It's one of many positions one
> can hold in the SCA and only a few of those positions require heavy
> weapons skill.
> To be blunt, and this is from someone who has sat the throne, the
> Crown is not the end all, be all of SCA achivement. The Crown is, at
> best, a temp job with limited power. The job is one of being a
> temporary figurehead, distributing awards to the deserving, and acting
> as a failsafe to prevent other kingdom offices from having too much
> independent power. A reign lasts for approximately 6 months. Royal
> Peerage (a county or duchy) is a symbol of a specific thing that you
> have done at some point in the past. Royal Peers do not have any
> special "powers" beyond the influence they *can* wield as a result of
> the respect that they earn. There are plenty of Royal Peers out there
> with no influence and no respect, just as there are very "powerful"
> and influential Royal Peers who have earned a great deal of respect.
> The "power", if you will, is in the individual, not in the rank.
> The same "power", because it IS individual, can be found in people of
> every rank including no rank at all. If you are looking strictly in
> terms of the SCA's rank hierarchy, the Bestowed Peers (Knights,
> Laurels and Pelicans) exert as much influence and are accorded nearly
> as much status as the Royal Peers. I am also a member of the Order of
> the Laurel - just as a Royal Peerage is a symbol of something you did
> and where you have been, Bestowed Peerage is a symbol of who you ARE.
> Bestowed Peerages are awarded for heavy weapons prowess (Knights), ANY
> aspect of Service (Pelicans) or ANY aspect of the Arts and Sciences
> Landed Barons and Baronesses are also in positions of percieved power.
> Unlike any other nobles in the land (aside from the Kings, Queens,
> Princes and Princesses) they can and do hold courts and bestow awards.
> They act as the direct representatives of the Crown to their local
> Barony, and as the people of the Barony's representative to the Crown.
> Different kingdoms have different laws regarding territorial
> baronies, but here in Trimaris a baronial tenure lasts 3-4 years.
> There is no tournament for the selection of the new baron and baroness
> in anything but Palantine Baronies (where the baronial position is a
> temporary one lasting only 6 months to a year, in most cases). The
> vast majority of baronies in the SCA use much less structured methods
> of choosing baronial nobles and there is no requirement that either
> the baron or baroness be capable of winning a heavy weapons
> tournament. Generally they look for established members who are
> well-rounded and have proven themselves as leaders locally.
> If it's the outward trappings of rank that you are looking at,
> consider the Court Barons and Baronesses. These individuals are
> granted the right to wear a coronet for whatever reason the Crown
> chooses. Generally it's some type of "service", but the definition of
> that service is up to the Crown in question. I have seen service as
> an archer awarded with a court baronacy. I have given one for service
> as a bard.
> If it's the actual reins of power that you are looking at, you should
> be looking at the officer corps. Kingdom offices, like local offices,
> last for two years in most kingdoms. Officers, especially the Kingdom
> Seneschal, hold the real power in the SCA and they exert tremendous
> influence over their local groups or local officers.
> There are many other positions of honor as well. Isn't earning an AoA
> a position of honor? Isn't earning a GoA a position of honor? Isn't
> being a baroness' or queen's archery champion a position of honor?
> Isn't teaching others to become archers and love the sport a position
> of honor? Isn't being an archery marshal at the local or kingdom
> level a position of honor? Isn't earning the friendship and respect
> of others a position of honor?
> The gift the SCA gives us, if we are wise enough to accept it, is the
> opportunity to become the best person we can be. Awards and rank
> generally are bestowed on those who make a genuine contribution to the
> game we all play. Those kinds of contributions tend to come, more
> than anything else, from a genuine love of the Society and the things
> you do within it. Focussing on awards and rank is more of a stumbling
> block to enjoying the SCA and what it has to offer than anything else
> I know.
> Countess Dulcia MacPherson, OL OR
> Kingdom Hospitaller, Kingdom of Trimaris
> "The wonderfulness of others will not diminish you. Your realization
> of the wonderfulness of others will enlarge you." - AElflaed of Duckford
> "Rule #5. There will always be some people who can do some things
> that you just *can't*. Don't worry about it, work on your basics
> and have some double-stuff Oreos." Tivar Moondragon
- Not here, but I hear that another kingdom has had a
Queen in her own right.
I just happen to think it's cool that Ansteorra had
--- Jeff Suzuki <jeff_suzuki@...> wrote:
> --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, Bulgarelli
> Maria <scarlettmb@...>
> > And that kingdom was ...
> > The Stellar Kingdom of Ansteorra. The first
> > to have a Queen by her own right.
> Out of curiosity, have there been others?