clothing from Rome (was: Have been exposed to SCA..but am new!)
- BJ wrote:
> [My husband] tries very hard but we have very different persona's andWhen, exactly, do you want your persona to "live"? A Roman woman of
> in fact no one in the group is a Roman.
> So I guess I really need some information on how to get started.. .
> .unfortunaly I don't know how to sew (except for the occasional
the 8th century C.E. and one living in the 15th would have very
different clothing. Of course, the later your period, the harder to
sew and more expensive to buy the ensembles become. . .
Barony of Bryn Gwlad
Kingdom of Ansteorra
- BJ wrote:
> . . .I guess I really need some information on how to get started. IFirst, look at the heraldic primer on the Laurel Sovereign at Arms'
> don't even know how to go about making a device. . .
> Please somebody help me get my Roman self up and running and SCA ready.
Then go to the Medieval Heraldry Archive, and try "flipping through"
some period armories to get an idea of what real medieval and
Renaissance heraldry looked like <http://www.s-gabriel.org/heraldry/>.
(They don't appear to have anything specific to Rome, but if you look
at a few things from various locales you'll at least get an idea of
When you've got a few ideas as to what you like--your favorite
tinctures, charges that appeal to you, arrangements you think look
good, etc.--take them to an experienced consulting herald so that (s)he
can help you settle on a design. This might be your branch herald or
the submissions herald for your region, principality, or kingdom, as
applies. Or you might write to a heralds' list in your kingdom
<http://www.sca.org/heraldry/kingdoms.html> to ask for help, or submit
a request to the Academy of St. Gabriel
Try not to get too attached to a specific design before you've talked
to a competent herald. If you accidentally put together something
that's not registerable, you'll only end up frustrating yourself.
Instead, think in terms like "I like blue and white, bends, and
flowers," or "I like this, this, and this device that I saw in
such-and-such armory, and want something with a similar feel that uses
black." A good consulting herald will be able to show you workable
options incorporating the details you want, then conflict-check those
you like best.
By the way, it's a good idea when you write in to this list to include
information on where in the Knowne World you reside--at least the name
of your kingdom. Often the answers will be affected by your location.
(For instance, someone might be able to recommend a herald to whom you
could speak, if we knew where you are, or point you to a website with
specific information on the submissions process for your kingdom.) I
recommend you make a habit of including the information in your
signature. That way, you don't have to make a special effort to
remember it every time you have a query.
Barony of Bryn Gwlad
Kingdom of Ansteorra
- Roman clothing references:
The World of Roman Costume (available from Amazon.com)
Roman Clothing and Fashion (available from Amazon.com)
Both of these are recommended by the SCA Romans group on Yahoo, and the
garb laurel who's been helping me has both of them. There's lots of
info and pictures covering the BC and AD eras of Rome. Rome has a long
(who is doing Roman in the summertime)
- I can help you out as I've been RESEARCHING up the wazoo on Roman
stuff... I'll be in the SCA for 1 full year come this June. I have
access to books (2 Roman ones I just bought) and plenty of garb
laurels eager to help! :)
I'm in Vancouver, WA, but I'll try and answer or direct you to
My hubby is doing an early Roman persona at the moment (1st century
AD) as the clothes are super easy. I'll get him into later Roman as I
have compiled more info to know the difference.
Romans aren't scum of the Earth--they had a highly advanced
civilization. Most of our law today is based on stuff they developed,
as well as many of the Romance languages (from Latin): Spanish,
Portuguese, Italian, and English has influence from Latin...
Start Googling and visit your library! You'll find a boatload
(literally) of books on Romans. I can't even get through my whole
pile from the library yet! :)
Interested in food? I can direct you to books on that, too.
Remind me and I'll get those titles for you since they're at home and
I'm at work.
I get funny looks when I say 1st c. AD Roman, but ya know, my hubby
can't fight due to an injury, so I have to make him happy somehow!
Barony of Stromgard
- You don't have to be an expert to make simple Roman clothing. There's
hardly any sewing needed at all.
A guy's tunic can be made without sleeves or with sleeves. I made one
for my hubby without sleeves.
What did I do? Simpler than getting rid of a pimple! ;)
First step: What do you want to make?
For the example, we'll say a man's basic Roman sleeveless tunic.
Scared to death of cutting? Don't worry!! You don't need to cut much
For a medium sized man, you'll need 2 1/4 yrds of fabric. My husband
isn't very tall, but if your guy is taller, measure him with a
measuring tape (or ask someone from your barony to do it if you need
help) from his shoulders to knees. If worse comes to worse, take any
piece of fabric you have, fold it over so you have two pieces, (a
sheet works if you have one, although this will be too long for a
Roman knee length tunic) to
For ease of use and affordability as a total beginner at sewing, I
recommend fully using inexpensive 100% cotton UNBLEACHED and undyed
Osnaburg fabric for your first attempt. The fabric store attendant
can help you. The stuff is oatmeal colored, and it looks kind of like
linen, but it isn't. It is breathable fabric and easy care to wash
I took 100% unbleached Osnaburg 45" wide fabric (for basic camp wear
tunic) and measured him to find out where to let it fall for knee
length. Then all I did was leave a hole big enough for his arms to go
through. I pinned the sides of the front and back together and
stitched a straight stitch on the sewing machine from the bottom raw
edge to the last pin, which would be under his arm. That was it...
and then I had to make a bottom hem and a rolled hem around the neck
where I carefully cut the slit so his head could go through. (The top
of the fabric folded over has no head opening, so you have to
carefully cut one open.)
This is SOOOOOOOOOOOOO EAAAAAAASSSSSSSYYYY!!!!
For a medium sized man:
2 1/4 yard of 100% cotton Osnaburg unbleached fabric. This is
available for dirt cheap at Joann's Fabrics or other fabric shop.
If your guy is bigger than a medium, ask for help to measure him!
You can cheat and check the measurements on a Roman soldier costume
pattern available in the Simplicity fabric pattern books on the
DO NOT waste money on the pattern! They aren't period!! And this is
SOOOOOO EASSSSSYYYY you don't need a pattern--I promise! I wasted the
money on one and I haven't used it at all. I didn't need to.
So, after you determine how much yardage is needed for knee length
guy's tunic, take the fabric to the counter. Ask them to cut the
amount needed (per your project). Then take that home. Chuck it in
the wash on whatever temperature you normally wash your whites. Then
Ok, next... take the piece of fabric, fold it in half so it's equal
like a sandwich on both sides. Match your selvages (that's the part
of the fabric that isn't cut. It is bound by the weaving machinery.)
Then pin from the bottom raw edge (cut edge) up to the top where you
folded OVER the fabric. Leave a gap big enough for arms to go through.
Then sew up the straight seam--that easy so far, eh?
Next, do the same on the other side. Leave gap for arm to go through.
The bound edges should be your side seams, and the raw edge your
bottom hem that will go to the knee.
OK, next... hold the fabric up to your guy and see where his neck is
at the shut end (top of fabric--no hole cut yet). Put a pin on each
side of his neck to mark it. VERY carefully cut a straight slit in
the center of the fold and have him see if he can get it over his
head. If not, take off... cut a little longer. DO NOT cut a hole--
just a slit.
Once he can get it over his head, have him stick his arms in the gaps
for his arms. The fabric will fall down the arm forming what looks
like short, short "sleeves."
OK, then what you do next is: hem the bottom up until the raw edge is
enclosed. Whip stitch it closed. (ASK for help on how to--sewing
ladies in your group can show you.)
Do a narrow hem on the neck slit. Again, ask for help--it's not hard.
Voila, you're done!!! :)
Here's some basic info links:
(Either link has the same info in case you can't open a PDF)
I know it says Celts, but Celts, Norse, Greeks, and Romans wore the
peplos female tube dress--super easy.
Barony of Stromgard
- More links:
Roman reenacting group (authentic--good source of info & links)
Looks like a GOOD site! :)
WARNING (beep) WARNING (beep): NOT authentic site--cheap costume for
plays!!! Learn what NOT to look like!!)
Keep digging in this site... it's a reenactors' site and has nice
photos of stuff...
Byzantine (after Roman empire, but what survived of Roman empire
(Be careful of Wikipedia--sometimes they don't list their sources,
but on average, it's OK... double check better sources, though)
Roman fibula (Roman equivalent of a safety pin for holding the garb
in place-some of these are examples of what period pieces found look
like--I'm not suggesting you buy an antique!!)
Museum pictures of fibula:
WARNING: If you are interested in a real antique for sale, contact a
museum! They often have real stuff that they have extras of to sell.
Make sure you're not buying a fake.
OR go reproduction route if you don't want to break the bank (the
other links give you a good idea of what to look for)
Roman oil lamps
Reproduction Roman glass:
Other suppliers of reproduction Roman stuff:
Where to find suppliers (2):
Archeaological Roman dig:
Whew... that out to keep ya busy!!
Barony of Stromgard
(research nerd and bookworm)