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17147Re: [SCA Newcomers] Re: Names

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  • Bill Toscano
    Aug 8, 2013
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      Is that still true with electronic submissions?


      On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Ian Green <ianthegreen01@...> wrote:

      > Just a note, registering names and devices at Pennsic while very convenient
      > and you get excellent advice, does have a much longer processing time than
      > if you do it through your own Kingdom's heraldic channels.
      >
      > Yours in Service,
      >
      > Ian the Green
      >
      > On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 2:59 PM, Sevika Balachandra <
      > sevikabalachandra@...> wrote:
      >
      > > **
      > >
      > >
      > > Stefan, only one person aside from me uses "Lalleshwari." My persona is
      > > named after a 15th century Kashmiri poetess. The Muslims called her
      > > "Lalla." I was not originally aware that this was a Muslim name and not
      > > simply a nickname, so when people began to give up (immediately) on
      > > pronouncing "Lalleshwari," I told them "Lalla" was fine. One of my
      > friends
      > > picked it up, started pronouncing it "Lahl-lah" (it's supposed to be
      > > pronounced more like "Lull" as in "lullaby,") it made the rounds, and now
      > > it's what most people call me. I don't have the power to change it at
      > this
      > > point and even if I did, they're my friends, and I don't want to argue
      > > every time they call my name. Also, as a woman told me at my last event,
      > > "sometimes the nickname chooses you."
      > >
      > > However, I have not registered my persona's name in any form yet. I plan
      > to
      > > bring documentation and look into doing so at Pennsic. I've been playing
      > > since February this year and I've been an official member since earlier
      > > this month.
      > >
      > > Locally, we have a Lady who has been a member for many years, and she had
      > > some difficulty registering her name at first, but it happened after a
      > few
      > > years. Sometimes heralds disagree.
      > >
      > >
      > > "There is at least one document where the same person's name is spelled
      > > three different ways, on the same document."
      > >
      > > HA ^ :) this makes me happy.
      > >
      > >
      > > Sincerely,
      > >
      > > Lalleshwari Sah, called Lalla
      > >
      > > On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 12:09 AM, Stefan li Rous <
      > > stefanlirous@...
      > > > wrote:
      > >
      > > > **
      > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > Lalleshwari Sah, called Lalla commented:
      > > >
      > > > <<< P.P.S. What I meant, by doing research and documentation and
      > checking
      > > > with
      > > > the college of heralds, is that you should do that at some point if you
      > > > wish to have your persona's name registered. It's not technically
      > > necessary
      > > > to do all that to start using it. A lot of people never register their
      > > > personas' names. >>>
      > > >
      > > > Yes, you can use a name that you haven't registered or isn't
      > > registerable.
      > > >
      > > > However, I would think carefully before you do such a thing.
      > > >
      > > > In fact, I would hold off using a name until you have a good idea it
      > > *can*
      > > > be registered.
      > > >
      > > > Even more I would make sure that SOMEONE ELSE hasn't registered a name
      > > > before you start to use it. With the registered names online this is a
      > > > fairly easy thing to do these days. When I registered my name, checking
      > > it
      > > > involved getting and checking through a half-dozen floppy disks to make
      > > > sure that it wasn't already registered. :-)
      > > >
      > > > But don't wait too long. Folks in the Society have a way of making up
      > > > their own name for you, if you wait too long. Ask John the Plain (who
      > > > answered, "I'm just plain John") or Eve the Just (who had said "I'm
      > just
      > > > Eve"). She is now after a number of years trying change that to
      > Astridr.
      > > >
      > > > One thing to keep in mind is that at first, you really only need a
      > first
      > > > name. You can get along with just that for a while. My AoA scroll says
      > > > "Stephan of Bryn Gwlad", because at that time, a year into playing in
      > the
      > > > Society, I hadn't picked a last name yet. And as you can see, the
      > > spelling
      > > > changed also, but spelling was often rather irregular in period. There
      > is
      > > > at least one document where the same person's name is spelled three
      > > > different ways, on the same document.
      > > >
      > > > Some people will wish to use a nickname that they've already been using
      > > > outside of the SCA. Even if you can't find that name used in your time
      > > > period in your region, sometimes you can come up with formal name which
      > > is
      > > > close, but still use the nickname for informal use. Sometimes folks
      > have
      > > > found their nickname used as a last name, but not as a first name, and
      > > will
      > > > register the name that way. Lalla, is that what you did?
      > > >
      > > > This can mean that, even if it passes the heralds as being period, you
      > > > have an odd name, in that while it was used in period, it would be
      > rather
      > > > odd to hear it in your chosen period. The same goes with mixing first
      > and
      > > > last names. Today it would be strange to be Kennedy John or Bush
      > George.
      > > >
      > > > Also remember that if you choose a difficult to read and pronounce
      > name,
      > > > even if the heralds are good and try their best, you may hear many
      > > > different pronunciations in Court. :-)
      > > >
      > > > While you can always change your persona name later, the longer and
      > wider
      > > > you are known by that name the harder it will be to change it later.
      > > >
      > > > Since you rarely write your name on a lot of objects in ways that can't
      > > be
      > > > changed later, using a name and then having to register a different
      > > > spelling or different name seldom causes real pain.
      > > >
      > > > However, I would definitely hold off painting or carving your heraldic
      > > > device on items until after you have that officially registered!
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > Stefan
      > > >
      > > > --------
      > > > THLord Stefan li Rous Barony of Bryn Gwlad Kingdom of Ansteorra
      > > > Mark S. Harris Austin, Texas StefanliRous@...
      > > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/marksharris
      > > > **** See Stefan's Florilegium files at: http://www.florilegium.org****
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > >
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      > >
      > >
      >
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      >
      > THLord Ian the Green
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