Re: [SCA-JML] Digest Number 1057
- Matt L wrote:
> I tried following the measurementsWell, proper period kataginu are quite large, almost huge. Look at the mannequin
> for hakama, and kataginu and ended up with a hakama suited to someonejust
> slightly larger than my 35" waist, but the kataginu seemed to be fitted to
> someone of sumo proportion.
wearing one in the Costume Museum:
> Perhapse it is that I misintrepreted theNo, that sounds about right. <G> Seriously, the body of a kataginu shouldn't be
> instructions, but I did not think the sholders where suposed to hand 6
> inches past my sholderpoints.
smaller than the body of the kimono; but since it doesn't have sleeves or
sewn-shut sides, it sticks out rather than wrapping around, and stands out over
the shoulder rather than going down your arm like the kimono. The shoulder seam
on the kimono is actually several inches down your arm from the "point" of your
shoulder, right? Well, imagine that length being brought straight out instead of
>Actually, that is something else I want to do -- a "relationship" chart showing
> GREAT!!! I hope it will also include more information on what belonged to
> what timeframe, and how the outfits evolved from century to century.
garb evolution and connections.
> itIt's a real issue. It happens even in TV; almost every historical drama I've
> probably would be bad to make a outfit for heinan court that uses a hakama
> that didn't come into style till late muramachi (I don't know that this
> would be the case, BUT it is mearly an example)
seen, even when they get the upper garments right, they tend to use the later
hakama patterns. Looks really odd to me, but what it really represents is that
these costumes already exist (there's very little "newly made" costuming for
most historical productions there) and they're just renting bulk.
I recently got a DVD of a really crappy "Minamoto no Yoshitsune" production
where the costumes are okay, but whole chunks of armour were from the latter
part of the 16th C. instead of the latter part of the 13th. And, of course,
they're either wearing Momoyama sashinuki or Momoyama hakama as well.
> or that durring this timeAh, for the days when the obi was just a waist tie no thicker than a ribbon...
> fram the obi was traditionaly only a couple inches wide, but turring this
> time frame it started to grow wider, and this timeframe it was barely as
> wide as a modern belt. (or substitute wider with longer)
>Isn't there a song... <G>
> wonderful... one of the very few disapointments I have had with the website
> was the garb section being incomplete... my girlfriend wants to go
> japanese, and my laural has gone japanese,
> both being female I would likeI'll see if I can help you on that end. <G>
> to see a larger bit of information out there with easy access for those of
> us who can not afford large libraries of books.
> might I sugest a li'l of both??? you could build a book for professionalNot a bad idea...
> publication and market it tword a world of different groups, then self
> publish a booklet or a series of booklets on quick and dirty ways to
> produce basic garb from given periods. this would allow someone to get
> started without having to invest more in a book containing other fields of
> information right away...
> yet the booklets would cost more per informationWell, I'm working now. <G>
> covered than the full book. either way I am looking forward to hearing of
> the release of this book that I can get my own copy.
- I recently returned from a trip tpo new york where I visited the Metropolitan Museum of Art. First off, there Japanese wing is amazing. They have many sets of armor (both in the Japanese wing and their international Armory. What I noticed about the japanese armor was that they were all Gusoku style (I think only one was Yoroi). I couldn't tell the difference between the two, and there was no provided description detailing the differences. All of the sets of armor were later than sca period (17th+). Does this have anything to do with it?
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