Loading ...
Sorry, an error occurred while loading the content.
 

Re: [SCA-JML] question of equipiment seen in many samurai pictures

Expand Messages
  • Ii Saburou
    ... Yup, it is the same thing. ... You will see it as common equipment up through the Kamakura era, I believe. Why would someone have that and not their bow?
    Message 1 of 17 , Jun 11, 2003
      On Wed, 11 Jun 2003, Matt L wrote:

      > since I started studying the japanese culture I have found one piece of
      > equipiment seen on pictures of mounted samurai frequently, yed the
      > discriptions I have found have told me nothing of that this item is... I
      > refer to the doughnut shaped ring appearantly strapped most commonly to
      > thier left hip below the swords. I find this item wether the depicted
      > samurai is using a bow, sword, or spear. I was just looking at a kyudo
      > website www.kyudo.com where I found an accessory, the Tsurumaki (string
      > holder) to have simular appearance. I was wondering if anyone could
      > speculate, or hopefuly tell me from actualy knowledge of the equipiment if
      > this is the same piece. I am currently attempting to find a url of an
      > online picture of a samurai wearing the accessory in question so you can
      > compare.

      Yup, it is the same thing.

      > numerous other samurai in this same gallery are carrying the same ring at
      > thier left hip straped below katanas, or above the tachi. I am convinced
      > that this object is the string holder, but the fact that some of the
      > samurai do not have bows or arrows, yet are carrying them in SOME
      > illistrations I have seen does leave some question to the acuracy of my
      > assumption. I do know in certain periods, mounted samurai where said to
      > have all been archers as thier primary weapon, but still in my limited
      > access to quality research material at the present, I want to do the best
      > with what I have available to me.

      You will see it as common equipment up through the Kamakura era, I
      believe. Why would someone have that and not their bow? Perhaps the bow
      broke, perhaps they were engaging in close-quarters and tossed it aside,
      or perhaps they gave it to an aide. Or perhaps it is just considered an
      essential part of a warrior's kit and as such the artist wasn't satisfied
      until it was there.

      Just some suggestions, but you are correct in its purpose.

      -Ii
    • Erin Kelly
      Ah, yes, that would be the little-known war bagel , which was used for sustenance.... ;) lurker ERIN
      Message 2 of 17 , Jun 11, 2003
        Ah, yes, that would be the little-known "war bagel", which was used for
        sustenance.... ;)

        lurker ERIN
      • Marko Peussa
        It s tsurumaki. The bow was sometimes carried by an attendant. Regards, Klaus ... From: Matt L To: Sent:
        Message 3 of 17 , Jun 11, 2003
          It's tsurumaki. The bow was sometimes carried by an attendant.

          Regards,

          Klaus

          ----- Original Message -----
          From: "Matt L" <mattlew@...>
          To: <sca-jml@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 09:54
          Subject: [SCA-JML] question of equipiment seen in many samurai pictures


          > since I started studying the japanese culture I have found one piece of
          > equipiment seen on pictures of mounted samurai frequently, yed the
          > discriptions I have found have told me nothing of that this item is... I
          > refer to the doughnut shaped ring appearantly strapped most commonly to
          > thier left hip below the swords. I find this item wether the depicted
          > samurai is using a bow, sword, or spear. I was just looking at a kyudo
          > website www.kyudo.com where I found an accessory, the Tsurumaki (string
          > holder) to have simular appearance. I was wondering if anyone could
          > speculate, or hopefuly tell me from actualy knowledge of the equipiment if
          > this is the same piece. I am currently attempting to find a url of an
          > online picture of a samurai wearing the accessory in question so you can
          > compare.
          >
          > http://horse.shrine.net/samurai/image/ohiko.jpg appears to have such a
          ring
          > below his elbow. subject is carrying a bow.
          > http://horse.shrine.net/samurai/image/yorimitsu.jpg appears to have one
          > (above the horses head) subject is fighting with sword, but carrying bow.
          > http://horse.shrine.net/samurai/image/tomoe.jpg has the same ring, is
          > fighting with yari, has no sign of archery equipiment. ring is located
          > above tachi
          > http://horse.shrine.net/samurai/image/atsumori.jpg has ring, also carrying
          > archery gear.
          > numerous other samurai in this same gallery are carrying the same ring at
          > thier left hip straped below katanas, or above the tachi. I am convinced
          > that this object is the string holder, but the fact that some of the
          > samurai do not have bows or arrows, yet are carrying them in SOME
          > illistrations I have seen does leave some question to the acuracy of my
          > assumption. I do know in certain periods, mounted samurai where said to
          > have all been archers as thier primary weapon, but still in my limited
          > access to quality research material at the present, I want to do the best
          > with what I have available to me.
          >
          > Matt L.
          > Vulpine Reach, Meridies
          > BTW, Border Raids is being held in about 2 weeks. I was wondering who
          would
          > be attending. I hope we could make use of the event to get together and
          > socialize a bit.
          >
          >
          > UNSUBSCRIBE: E-mail sca-jml-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
          >
          > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
          >
          >
        • Solveig
          Noble Cousin! Greetings from Solveig! The ring in question is called a tsurumaki and is slung from the ebira (quiver). It can also be hung from the tachi. It
          Message 4 of 17 , Jun 11, 2003
            Noble Cousin!

            Greetings from Solveig! The ring in question is called a tsurumaki and is
            slung from the ebira (quiver). It can also be hung from the tachi. It is a
            piece of archery equipment similar in design to a yoyo for storing bow
            strings.

            Archery was the prestige martial form. One of your pictures is of Atsumori
            who is a tragic character in Heike Monogatari. The picture shows him shortly
            after being hailed by the man who would slay him. He had returned to the
            abandoned Heike encampment to retrieve a forgotten flute and was trying to
            catch up with the retreating Heike ships. Traditionally, the battle
            begins with an exchange of arrows and concludes with a sword fight.

            Due to the prestige of archery, the tsurumaki would definitely be shown by
            the artist and most likely worn by all upper-class warriors. Think of
            that crescent shaped piece of metal worn bellow the neck by all British
            officers of the late seventeenth century. That piece of metal was vestigial
            armour worn for reasons of rank and status. Thus, you should expect to see the
            tsurumaki worn by Japanese officers even if they are not actually archers.
            --

            Your Humble Servant
            Solveig Throndardottir
            Amateur Scholar

            +----------------------------------------------------------------------+
            | Barbara Nostrand, Ph.D. | Solveig Throndardottir, CoM, CoS |
            | deMoivre Institute | Carolingia Statis Mentis Est |
            | mailto:nostrand@... | mailto:bnostran@... |
            +----------------------------------------------------------------------+
            | Note. Many popular "free" email services are automatically routed to |
            | the trash by my email filters. |
            +----------------------------------------------------------------------+
          • Alcyoneus
            Gorget. Alcyoneus ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
            Message 5 of 17 , Jun 11, 2003
              Gorget.

              Alcyoneus

              At 11:19 AM 6/11/2003 -0400, you wrote:
              >Noble Cousin!
              >
              >Think of
              >that crescent shaped piece of metal worn bellow the neck by all British
              >officers of the late seventeenth century. That piece of metal was vestigial
              >armour worn for reasons of rank and status. Thus, you should expect to see the
              >tsurumaki worn by Japanese officers even if they are not actually archers.
              >--
              >
              > Your Humble Servant
              > Solveig Throndardottir
              > Amateur Scholar
              >
              >+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
              >| Barbara Nostrand, Ph.D. | Solveig Throndardottir, CoM, CoS |
              >| deMoivre Institute | Carolingia Statis Mentis Est |
              >| mailto:nostrand@... | mailto:bnostran@... |
              >+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
              >| Note. Many popular "free" email services are automatically routed to |
              >| the trash by my email filters. |
              >+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
              >
              >Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
              ><http://rd.yahoo.com/M=249982.3179269.4495679.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=1705767503:HM/A=1524963/R=0/SIG=12ongbbsq/*http://hits.411web.com/cgi-bin/autoredir?camp=556&lineid=3179269&prop=egroupweb&pos=HM>33a8e4e.jpg
              >
              >33a8ed0.jpg
              >
              >UNSUBSCRIBE: E-mail sca-jml-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
              >
              >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the
              ><http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>Yahoo! Terms of Service.


              [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
            • Marko Peussa
              I would like to point out that tsurumaki was also carried by low ranking archers, at least in the 15th century. It s just a piece of equipment for storing
              Message 6 of 17 , Jun 13, 2003
                I would like to point out that tsurumaki was also carried by low ranking
                archers, at least in the 15th century. It's just a piece of equipment for
                storing spare bowstings.

                Regards,

                Klaus

                ----- Original Message -----
                From: "Solveig" <nostrand@...>
                To: <sca-jml@yahoogroups.com>
                Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 18:19
                Subject: Re: [SCA-JML] question of equipiment seen in many samurai pictures

                <snippage>

                > Due to the prestige of archery, the tsurumaki would definitely be shown by
                > the artist and most likely worn by all upper-class warriors. Think of
                > that crescent shaped piece of metal worn bellow the neck by all British
                > officers of the late seventeenth century. That piece of metal was
                vestigial
                > armour worn for reasons of rank and status. Thus, you should expect to see
                the
                > tsurumaki worn by Japanese officers even if they are not actually archers.
                > --
                >
                > Your Humble Servant
                > Solveig Throndardottir
                > Amateur Scholar
              • Chuck Howell
                I m not sure how true this may be or not, but the ring at the hip looks very similar to a Blood Stone, which was a small ring-shaped stone that, from what I
                Message 7 of 17 , Jun 13, 2003
                  I'm not sure how true this may be or not, but the ring at the hip looks
                  very similar to a Blood Stone, which was a small ring-shaped stone that,
                  from what I hear, was used by foot soldiers in the west to sharpen their
                  swords and clean them. I make no claims to know for sure what it is, but I
                  do know that that is what it looks like. Please don't think me stupid ^_^
                  Hope this was helpful


                  C. Howell

                  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                • Yama Kaminari no Date Saburou Yukiie
                  C. Howell, Greetings, tomodachi (hello friend...) I respectfully submit that you (unfortunately...) are way off, in that the bowstring reel (Tsuramaki)is the
                  Message 8 of 17 , Jun 13, 2003
                    C. Howell,
                    Greetings, tomodachi (hello friend...)
                    I respectfully submit that you (unfortunately...) are way off, in that
                    the bowstring reel (Tsuramaki)is the correct answer...
                    I could be wrong, but as far as I know, the Japanese have no
                    "Bloodstone" tradition...trusting the sharpening of their weapons to
                    specialists, as opposed to doing it themselves...
                    No one will ever think you stupid for offering observations you beleve
                    to be true...just understand that sometimes the reality is not what
                    you percieved...
                    We all have to face that possibility...
                    - Date

                    Shi wa hei to de aru - all are equal in the grave
                    http://www.kabutographics.com
                    kabuto@...



                    --- In sca-jml@yahoogroups.com, "Chuck Howell"
                    <excel_saga_is_yummy@h...> wrote:
                    >
                    > I'm not sure how true this may be or not, but the ring at the hip looks
                    > very similar to a Blood Stone, which was a small ring-shaped stone that,
                    > from what I hear, was used by foot soldiers in the west to sharpen their
                    > swords and clean them. I make no claims to know for sure what it is,
                    but I
                    > do know that that is what it looks like. Please don't think me
                    stupid ^_^
                    > Hope this was helpful
                    >
                    >
                    > C. Howell
                    >
                    > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                  • Chuck Howell
                    Date-dono, Thank you. I noted that after I sent my suggestion that others said what it was. Gomen. At any rate, I was glad to see that it was explained, as I,
                    Message 9 of 17 , Jun 13, 2003
                      Date-dono,

                      Thank you. I noted that after I sent my suggestion that others said
                      what it was. Gomen. At any rate, I was glad to see that it was explained, as
                      I, myself, had wondered what the object was. Well then, while I'm here, does
                      anyone know where to obtain SCA Legal Japanese armor? I've not been able to
                      find any yet. Do keep in touch.

                      Regards,
                      Chuck Howell

                      [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                    • Solveig
                      Noble Cousins! Greetings from Solveig! ... The citation I found for the things was illustrated. The thing we are discussing is definitely a bow string holder.
                      Message 10 of 17 , Jun 22, 2003
                        Noble Cousins!

                        Greetings from Solveig!

                        > I'm not sure how true this may be or not, but the ring at the hip looks
                        >very similar to a Blood Stone, which was a small ring-shaped stone that,
                        >from what I hear, was used by foot soldiers in the west to sharpen their
                        >swords and clean them. I make no claims to know for sure what it is, but I
                        >do know that that is what it looks like. Please don't think me stupid ^_^
                        >Hope this was helpful

                        The citation I found for the things was illustrated. The thing we are
                        discussing is definitely a bow string holder. Further, I have seen
                        Japanese sword equipment in action. They do not look at all similar.
                        --

                        Your Humble Servant
                        Solveig Throndardottir
                        Amateur Scholar

                        +----------------------------------------------------------------------+
                        | Barbara Nostrand, Ph.D. | Solveig Throndardottir, CoM, CoS |
                        | deMoivre Institute | Carolingia Statis Mentis Est |
                        | mailto:nostrand@... | mailto:bnostran@... |
                        +----------------------------------------------------------------------+
                        | Note. Many popular "free" email services are automatically routed to |
                        | the trash by my email filters. |
                        +----------------------------------------------------------------------+
                      • Ron McAdams
                        Hello, I am new to the SCA and was thinking about developing a Japanese persona. While I am working on this, I would like to try and Dress the part . Does
                        Message 11 of 17 , Jun 23, 2003
                          Hello,

                          I am new to the SCA and was thinking about developing a Japanese
                          persona. While I am working on this, I would like to try and "Dress the
                          part". Does anyone have a good resource online for period clothing?
                          Also are geta and seta considered period? Is the kimono and hamaka
                          considered to be the standard dress for the 1250s?

                          Is there a great webpage for beginers to get started?

                          Thanks for all the great posts so far and sorry to ask so many questions
                          all at once. :)

                          Ron

                          ,,,,,
                          (o o)
                          ==================oOO==(_)==OOo==========
                          ---------------------------------------
                          Ron McAdams - A+ Certified
                          PC / Macintosh Support
                          ---------------------------------------
                          Southeast Missouri State University
                          Computer Services Department / AC 134
                          <http://www.semo.edu/> http://www.semo.edu
                          ---------------------------------------
                          Voice: 573.651.2052
                          ICQ # : 2523714
                          Work: rmcadams@...
                          Personal: rmcadams@...
                          -------------------------------------



                          [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                        • ELAINE KOOGLER
                          Greetings! And welcome to the list. I m sure others will jump in and point you to all sorts of places. In fact, I suspect you ll see lots of references to
                          Message 12 of 17 , Jun 23, 2003
                            Greetings!
                            And welcome to the list. I'm sure others will jump in and point you to
                            all sorts of places. In fact, I suspect you'll see lots of references
                            to the two sites I am providing.

                            The first of these is the Costume Museum in Kyoto, Japan. I'm giving
                            you the link to the English language version...it's the one I use as I
                            can't speak or read Japanese. there are lots of great pictures
                            there...models wearing the garments as well as line drawings. Boy, do
                            I wish this had existed when I started out, some 20 years ago!

                            The second of the sites is the home page of one of the most
                            knowledgeable folks I know of regarding "things Japanese". He is in
                            the SCA, is a fighter, artist, writer, etc., etc. The Midrealm finally
                            saw the light of day last year and gave him his Laurel for his work.
                            He has all sorts of information there, not sure exactly what you want,
                            so I'm sending you to the opening page and you can strike out on your
                            own from there.

                            Good luck!!

                            Kiri
                            (Minowara Kiritsubo, living in the Barony of Dun Carraig in Atlantia)

                            http://www.iz2.or.jp/english/index.htm
                            http://www.sengokudaimyo.com/


                            ----- Original Message -----
                            From: Ron McAdams <rmcadams@...>
                            Date: Monday, June 23, 2003 4:56 pm
                            Subject: [SCA-JML] Trolling for a while and finaly asking a question

                            > <span><p><span><p>
                            >
                            >
                            > <tt>
                            > Hello,
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > I am new to the SCA and was thinking about developing a Japanese
                            >
                            > persona. While I am working on this, I would like to try and
                            > "Dress the
                            >
                            > part". Does anyone have a good resource online for period
                            > clothing?
                            > Also are geta and seta considered period? Is the kimono and hamaka
                            >
                            > considered to be the standard dress for the 1250s?
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > Is there a great webpage for beginers to get started?
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > Thanks for all the great posts so far and sorry to ask so many
                            > questions
                            > all at once. :)
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > Ron
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > ,,,,,
                            >
                            > (o o)
                            >
                            > ==================oOO==(_)==OOo==========
                            >
                            > ---------------------------------------
                            >
                            > Ron McAdams - A+ Certified
                            >
                            > PC / Macintosh Support
                            >
                            > ---------------------------------------
                            >
                            > Southeast Missouri State University
                            >
                            > Computer Services Department / AC 134
                            >
                            > <http://www.semo.edu/> http://www.semo.edu
                            >
                            > ---------------------------------------
                            >
                            > Voice: 573.651.2052
                            >
                            > ICQ # : 2523714
                            >
                            > Work: rmcadams@...
                            >
                            > Personal: rmcadams@...
                            >
                            > -------------------------------------
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > </tt>
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| -->
                            >
                            > <table border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2>
                            > <tr bgcolor=#FFFFCC>
                            > <td align=center><font size="-1" color=#003399><b>Yahoo! Groups
                            > Sponsor</b></font></td></tr>
                            > <tr bgcolor=#FFFFFF>
                            > <td align=center width=470><img
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            src="http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/ne/netflix/yhoo0303_b_300250a.g
                            if" alt="" width="300" height="250" border="0"></td></tr><tr><td><img
                            alt="" width=1 height=1 src="http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?
                            M=251812.3170658.4537139.1261774/D=egroupmail/S=:HM/A=1564416/rand=51752
                            5339"></td></tr></table><!-- |**|end egp html banner|**| -->
                            >
                            > <tt>
                            > UNSUBSCRIBE: E-mail sca-jml-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com</tt>
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > <tt>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
                            > Service.</tt></br>
                            >
                            > </span></span>
                            >
                            >
                          • Ii Saburou
                            http://www.sengokudaimyo.com or the Costume Museum at http://www.iz2.or.jp (In Japanese or English) There are also several files in the Garb Files section of
                            Message 13 of 17 , Jun 23, 2003
                              http://www.sengokudaimyo.com or the Costume Museum at http://www.iz2.or.jp
                              (In Japanese or English)

                              There are also several files in the Garb Files section of the Yahoo!
                              Groups page.

                              -Ii

                              On Mon, 23 Jun 2003, Ron McAdams wrote:

                              > Hello,
                              >
                              > I am new to the SCA and was thinking about developing a Japanese
                              > persona. While I am working on this, I would like to try and "Dress the
                              > part". Does anyone have a good resource online for period clothing?
                              > Also are geta and seta considered period? Is the kimono and hamaka
                              > considered to be the standard dress for the 1250s?
                              >
                              > Is there a great webpage for beginers to get started?
                              >
                              > Thanks for all the great posts so far and sorry to ask so many questions
                              > all at once. :)
                              >
                              > Ron
                              >
                              > ,,,,,
                              > (o o)
                              > ==================oOO==(_)==OOo==========
                              > ---------------------------------------
                              > Ron McAdams - A+ Certified
                              > PC / Macintosh Support
                              > ---------------------------------------
                              > Southeast Missouri State University
                              > Computer Services Department / AC 134
                              > <http://www.semo.edu/> http://www.semo.edu
                              > ---------------------------------------
                              > Voice: 573.651.2052
                              > ICQ # : 2523714
                              > Work: rmcadams@...
                              > Personal: rmcadams@...
                              > -------------------------------------
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > UNSUBSCRIBE: E-mail sca-jml-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
                              >
                              > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
                              >
                              >
                            • Anthony J. Bryant
                              ... Thanks for the kind words, dollface. At this stage of things -- I need all the smiles and props I can get. Sigh. Effingcheesed
                              Message 14 of 17 , Jun 26, 2003
                                ELAINE KOOGLER wrote:

                                > The second of the sites is the home page of one of the most
                                > knowledgeable folks I know of regarding "things Japanese". He is in
                                > the SCA, is a fighter, artist, writer, etc., etc. The Midrealm finally
                                > saw the light of day last year and gave him his Laurel for his work.
                                > He has all sorts of information there, not sure exactly what you want,
                                > so I'm sending you to the opening page and you can strike out on your
                                > own from there.

                                Thanks for the kind words, dollface. At this stage of "things" -- I need all the
                                smiles and props I can get. Sigh.

                                Effingcheesed
                              • ELAINE KOOGLER
                                My pleasure...I meant every word of it. I was very embarrassed to get my Laurel, even only partially for Japanese study, before you got yours. Come party with
                                Message 15 of 17 , Jun 27, 2003
                                  My pleasure...I meant every word of it. I was very embarrassed to get
                                  my Laurel, even only partially for Japanese study, before you got
                                  yours.

                                  Come party with us at Pennsic...we'll lift your spirits! I can't wait
                                  to see you again!!!!!!!

                                  Kiri



                                  ----- Original Message -----
                                  From: "Anthony J. Bryant" <ajbryant@...>
                                  Date: Thursday, June 26, 2003 6:26 pm
                                  Subject: Re: [SCA-JML] Trolling for a while and finaly asking a question

                                  > <span><p><span><p>
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > <tt>
                                  > ELAINE KOOGLER wrote:
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > > The second of the sites is the home page of one of the most
                                  >
                                  > > knowledgeable folks I know of regarding "things
                                  > Japanese". He is in
                                  >
                                  > > the SCA, is a fighter, artist, writer, etc., etc. The
                                  > Midrealm finally
                                  >
                                  > > saw the light of day last year and gave him his Laurel for
                                  > his work.
                                  >
                                  > > He has all sorts of information there, not sure exactly what
                                  > you want,
                                  >
                                  > > so I'm sending you to the opening page and you can strike out
                                  > on your
                                  >
                                  > > own from there.
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > Thanks for the kind words, dollface. At this stage of
                                  > "things" -- I need all the
                                  >
                                  > smiles and props I can get. Sigh.
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > Effingcheesed
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > </tt>
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| -->
                                  >
                                  > <table border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2>
                                  > <tr bgcolor=#FFFFCC>
                                  > <td align=center><font size="-1" color=#003399><b>Yahoo! Groups
                                  > Sponsor</b></font></td></tr>
                                  > <tr bgcolor=#FFFFFF>
                                  > <td align=center width=470><img
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  src="http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/ne/netflix/yhoo0303_a_300250.gi
                                  f" alt="" width="300" height="250" border="0"></td></tr><tr><td><img
                                  alt="" width=1 height=1 src="http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?
                                  M=251812.3170658.4537139.1261774/D=egroupmail/S=:HM/A=1564415/rand=54359
                                  5529"></td></tr></table><!-- |**|end egp html banner|**| -->
                                  >
                                  > <tt>
                                  > UNSUBSCRIBE: E-mail sca-jml-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com</tt>
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > <tt>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
                                  > Service.</tt></br>
                                  >
                                  > </span></span>
                                  >
                                  >
                                • Anthony J. Bryant
                                  ... Fmeh. You deserved your Laurel!!! (So there. Nyah.) ... I will, if I can make it. (And I really *do* want to make it.) I m pre-regged, but the chances are
                                  Message 16 of 17 , Jun 27, 2003
                                    ELAINE KOOGLER wrote:

                                    > My pleasure...I meant every word of it. I was very embarrassed to get
                                    > my Laurel, even only partially for Japanese study, before you got
                                    > yours.
                                    >

                                    Fmeh. You deserved your Laurel!!! (So there. Nyah.)

                                    >
                                    > Come party with us at Pennsic...we'll lift your spirits! I can't wait
                                    > to see you again!!!!!!!

                                    I will, if I can make it. (And I really *do* want to make it.)

                                    I'm pre-regged, but the chances are that if I *do* find a job, I'd be in the
                                    middle of packing and moving around then for the start of the academic year. If
                                    there are still jobs for the next year *open* at this late date.

                                    Ironically, this is the first Pennsic I've regged for in years that I haven't
                                    signed up to teach anything yet. Maybe it was an omen. (And I have a good idea
                                    who Damien would be...)

                                    Effingstressed
                                  Your message has been successfully submitted and would be delivered to recipients shortly.