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  • BamboOni@aol.com
    In a message dated 5/1/2003 12:29:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ... I live in Howell, NJ at the beach end of interstate 195. ... I m not as knowledgeable as I
    Message 1 of 16 , May 1, 2003
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      In a message dated 5/1/2003 12:29:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
      genevra1676@... writes:

      > > mundanely southern NJ,
      > > less than 1/2 hour from Philly).

      I live in Howell, NJ at the beach end of interstate 195.



      > Is there anyone who lives nearby
      > that is knowledgeable in period Japan (especially relating to female
      > garb) or any nearby Japanese households/clans/etc?

      I'm not as knowledgeable as I as I wish I was in garb. All of my questions
      I get answered through this list. the people here are vastly more knowing
      about Japanese things and can answer a variety of questions.


      Takebayashi Genpachi


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    • ELAINE KOOGLER
      And...huff, huff...you forgot about me! I live in southern Maryland, which, though still a bit far, is closer than where Ii-dono and Lady Aine live. Kiri ...
      Message 2 of 16 , May 2, 2003
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        And...huff, huff...you forgot about me! I live in southern Maryland,
        which, though still a bit far, is closer than where Ii-dono and Lady
        Aine live.

        Kiri



        ----- Original Message -----
        From: Ii Saburou <logan@...>
        Date: Thursday, May 1, 2003 6:07 pm
        Subject: Re: [SCA-JML] Local contacts?

        > <span><p><span><p>
        >
        >
        > <tt>
        > On Thu, 1 May 2003, genevra1676 wrote:
        >
        >
        >
        > > Hi!!
        >
        > >
        >
        > > One other question . . . I live in Iron Bog (mundanely
        > southern NJ,
        >
        > > less than 1/2 hour from Philly). Is there anyone who lives
        > nearby
        >
        > > that is knowledgeable in period Japan (especially relating to
        > female
        >
        > > garb) or any nearby Japanese households/clans/etc? Thanks again,
        >
        >
        >
        > You have Matsuyama Mokurai and his wife Aki'ame (aka Anne Liese
        >
        > Wolkenhaar) up in PA--they are about 45 min to an hour north of
        > philly,
        >
        > IIRC.
        >
        >
        >
        > Aine and I are down in VA, which is probably a bit far (I think it
        > is 3~4
        >
        > hours up to Philly, usually).
        >
        >
        >
        > I don't know if Giovanna is still out on the list, but she is up
        > in
        >
        > Maryland.
        >
        >
        >
        > I'm sure there's others, but I'm not sure where everyone is. If
        > you come
        >
        > to Atlantian University in June, however, we will be having an
        > entire
        >
        > track on Japan, so I'm sure we can help you.
        >
        >
        >
        > What are you looking for? This list can answer most questions
        > people
        >
        > have.
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > -Ii
        >
        >
        >
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      • genevra1676
        Hi!! My primary concerns right now are 1) putting together a name and persona and 2) putting together some garb. A couple of the websites I ve hit (including
        Message 3 of 16 , May 2, 2003
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          Hi!!

          My primary concerns right now are 1) putting together a name and
          persona and 2) putting together some garb.

          A couple of the websites I've hit (including Hiraizumi-dono's) have a
          lot of helpful info on putting together a proper Japanese name. I
          still need to research into late-period Japanese history & culture to
          decide what class, occupation, and history my persona will have. Any
          suggestions about resources here would be helpful . . .

          As for garb, I have found a site offering really nice cotton prints,
          but I'm still trying to find a good & affordable source of patterned
          (woven, embroidered, or painted) Japanese silk. I've seen a couple
          websites that offer bolts of fabric and/or karinui (such as
          www.yokodana.com and www.ichiroya.com), but given the prices I think
          I might be better off buying modern kimono from eBay and then
          modifying them to look more like period kosode & uchikake. I believe
          that kosode sleeves were short and rounded with small sleeve openings
          and attached all the way to the body and that kosode were made to be
          ankle-length (though uchikake could trail), but I still need to learn
          the more subtle differences between modern kimono and late-period
          kosode.

          I would love to get together sometime with some of you for a
          brainstorming/sewing session. Unfortunately, right now I am helping
          my husband finish his senior project at Drexel, so I don't know when
          I'll be free. I'll will let know you when I am to see if we can
          coordinate something.

          Domo arigato,

          Genevra

          --- In sca-jml@yahoogroups.com, Rosemary Norwood <liane@m...> wrote:
          > Hi Generva!
          >
          > Here in Eisental we have a small group of us who do Japanese.
          Mistress
          > Annelise does Heian period as wellas some others. My husband and I
          do
          > Kamakura. Either of us can probably give you some help on female
          garb.
          >
          > What kind of info are you looking for or would you like to get
          together
          > for a brainstorm/sewing circle?
          >
          > Eisental is North of Philly, about an hour, it's about an hour and
          a
          > half to Iron Bog from here.
          >
          > Yomada no Tatsutoshime
          >
          > On Thu, May 01, 2003 at 04:28:48PM -0000, genevra1676 wrote:
          > > Hi!!
          > >
          > > One other question . . . I live in Iron Bog (mundanely southern
          NJ,
          > > less than 1/2 hour from Philly). Is there anyone who lives
          nearby
          > > that is knowledgeable in period Japan (especially relating to
          female
          > > garb) or any nearby Japanese households/clans/etc? Thanks again,
          > >
          > > Genevra
          > >
          > >
          > >
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        • ELAINE KOOGLER
          Have you checked out Thai Silks? They have some lovely brocades, not 100% silk, but close enough...they do look exactly the same. That s what I m using for
          Message 4 of 16 , May 2, 2003
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            Have you checked out Thai Silks? They have some lovely brocades, not
            100% silk, but close enough...they do look exactly the same. That's
            what I'm using for my handfasting at Pennsic. They sell there for a
            $11.20/yd, 29" wide. Yes, it's a little pricey, but far less than the
            $29 or $30/yd I've seen at fabric stores in the DC area. I purchased 8
            yards of fabric, and plan on having a fair amount left over. I'll be
            making an uchikake with it. Some of what they have is REALLY awful,
            and some is VERY Chinese in feeling, but they have some that is quite
            lovely.

            Another place you can check for silk (dupioni which some folks on this
            list believe wouldn't have been used because of the "slubs" in the
            fabric, crepe, etc.) is Fabrics.com. Again, their prices are quite
            reasonable. I'm getting brown silk crepe to line my uchikake with for
            8.95/yd and the fabric is 59" wide!

            You can also use some kinds of rayon. While it is not period, it LOOKS
            period, depending on what you find. I have made garments out of it
            that draped beautifully and fit the descriptions I have read in many
            places. Sorry...I know that, as a Laurel I should be very concerned
            about using only period fabric...but I can't always afford it, and if I
            can find a substitute that looks good (some of the cotton prints are
            incredibly good), I say "go for it". I think that the look is more
            important than content...in this case.

            Late period upper class folks can also use cotton, linen..and hemp is
            also good. I did find out that Dharma has undyed hemp and I'm
            considering purchasing some of it to make a kosode...may try to print
            it to make it more interesting.

            Hope this all helps. I still believe that making your own will make
            you much happier and overall take less time.

            Kiri



            ----- Original Message -----
            From: genevra1676 <genevra1676@...>
            Date: Friday, May 2, 2003 9:58 am
            Subject: [SCA-JML] Re: Local contacts?

            > <span><p><span><p>
            >
            >
            > <tt>
            > Hi!!
            >
            >
            >
            > My primary concerns right now are 1) putting together a name and
            >
            > persona and 2) putting together some garb.
            >
            >
            >
            > A couple of the websites I've hit (including Hiraizumi-dono's)
            > have a
            >
            > lot of helpful info on putting together a proper Japanese name. I
            >
            > still need to research into late-period Japanese history &
            > culture to
            >
            > decide what class, occupation, and history my persona will have.
            > Any
            >
            > suggestions about resources here would be helpful . . .
            >
            >
            >
            > As for garb, I have found a site offering really nice cotton
            > prints,
            >
            > but I'm still trying to find a good & affordable source of
            > patterned
            >
            > (woven, embroidered, or painted) Japanese silk. I've seen a
            > couple
            >
            > websites that offer bolts of fabric and/or karinui (such as
            >
            > www.yokodana.com and www.ichiroya.com), but given the prices I
            > think
            >
            > I might be better off buying modern kimono from eBay and then
            >
            > modifying them to look more like period kosode & uchikake. I
            > believe
            >
            > that kosode sleeves were short and rounded with small sleeve
            > openings
            >
            > and attached all the way to the body and that kosode were made to
            > be
            >
            > ankle-length (though uchikake could trail), but I still need to
            > learn
            >
            > the more subtle differences between modern kimono and late-period
            >
            > kosode.
            >
            >
            >
            > I would love to get together sometime with some of you for a
            >
            > brainstorming/sewing session. Unfortunately, right now I am
            > helping
            >
            > my husband finish his senior project at Drexel, so I don't know
            > when
            >
            > I'll be free. I'll will let know you when I am to see if we can
            >
            > coordinate something.
            >
            >
            >
            > Domo arigato,
            >
            >
            >
            > Genevra
            >
            >
            >
            > --- In sca-jml@yahoogroups.com, Rosemary Norwood <liane@m...>
            > wrote:
            > > Hi Generva!
            >
            > >
            >
            > > Here in Eisental we have a small group of us who do Japanese.
            >
            > Mistress
            >
            > > Annelise does Heian period as wellas some others. My husband
            > and I
            >
            > do
            >
            > > Kamakura. Either of us can probably give you some help on
            > female
            >
            > garb.
            >
            > >
            >
            > > What kind of info are you looking for or would you like to
            > get
            >
            > together
            >
            > > for a brainstorm/sewing circle?
            >
            > >
            >
            > > Eisental is North of Philly, about an hour, it's about an
            > hour and
            >
            > a
            >
            > > half to Iron Bog from here.
            >
            > >
            >
            > > Yomada no Tatsutoshime
            >
            > >
            >
            > > On Thu, May 01, 2003 at 04:28:48PM -0000, genevra1676 wrote:
            >
            > > > Hi!!
            >
            > > >
            >
            > > > One other question . . . I live in Iron Bog (mundanely
            > southern
            >
            > NJ,
            >
            > > > less than 1/2 hour from Philly). Is there anyone who
            > lives
            >
            > nearby
            >
            > > > that is knowledgeable in period Japan (especially
            > relating to
            >
            > female
            >
            > > > garb) or any nearby Japanese households/clans/etc?
            > Thanks again,
            >
            > > >
            >
            > > > Genevra
            >
            > > >
            >
            > > >
            >
            > > >
            >
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          • genevra1676
            Hi!! Yes I did look at Thai Silks this morning--someone on this list posted the link last night. Some of their stuff does look nice, though as a Japanese
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              Hi!!

              Yes I did look at Thai Silks this morning--someone on this list
              posted the link last night. Some of their stuff does look nice,
              though as a Japanese newbie I can't tell what is too Chinese or not.
              I did order a couple more books on Japanese garb & textiles that your
              protege Maroe-sama recommended, so hopefully that will help learn
              me. :) And there is a large fabric warehouse in Philly called Jo-Mar
              that has a great selection of fabric for cheap prices; I just haven't
              been there since the Japanese bug bit to see if they have anything
              appropriate.

              How difficult is it to print your own patterns on material (and where
              do I find appropriate patterns)? The main reason I've been
              considering modifying modern kimono is I wasn't sure where or how
              else to get that type of patterned silk otherwise. But if it is not
              too terribly difficult to "paint" my own designs, that would be
              great. I did also previously find a site called www.silken-
              treasures.com which has some really nice cotton prints for $8.50/yd,
              but I wasn't sure if cotton was appropriate for an upper-class woman
              (for my European persona, I almost always use upholstery brocade or
              silky-looking brocade/jacquard). But if you think cotton prints
              would work, than that gives me yet another option. Thanks again,

              Genevra

              P.S.--I won't tell the Laurel police that you used rayon . . . :P

              --- In sca-jml@yahoogroups.com, ELAINE KOOGLER <ekoogler1@c...> wrote:
              > Have you checked out Thai Silks? They have some lovely brocades,
              not
              > 100% silk, but close enough...they do look exactly the same.
              That's
              > what I'm using for my handfasting at Pennsic. They sell there for
              a
              > $11.20/yd, 29" wide. Yes, it's a little pricey, but far less than
              the
              > $29 or $30/yd I've seen at fabric stores in the DC area. I
              purchased 8
              > yards of fabric, and plan on having a fair amount left over. I'll
              be
              > making an uchikake with it. Some of what they have is REALLY
              awful,
              > and some is VERY Chinese in feeling, but they have some that is
              quite
              > lovely.
              >
              > Another place you can check for silk (dupioni which some folks on
              this
              > list believe wouldn't have been used because of the "slubs" in the
              > fabric, crepe, etc.) is Fabrics.com. Again, their prices are quite
              > reasonable. I'm getting brown silk crepe to line my uchikake with
              for
              > 8.95/yd and the fabric is 59" wide!
              >
              > You can also use some kinds of rayon. While it is not period, it
              LOOKS
              > period, depending on what you find. I have made garments out of it
              > that draped beautifully and fit the descriptions I have read in
              many
              > places. Sorry...I know that, as a Laurel I should be very
              concerned
              > about using only period fabric...but I can't always afford it, and
              if I
              > can find a substitute that looks good (some of the cotton prints
              are
              > incredibly good), I say "go for it". I think that the look is more
              > important than content...in this case.
              >
              > Late period upper class folks can also use cotton, linen..and hemp
              is
              > also good. I did find out that Dharma has undyed hemp and I'm
              > considering purchasing some of it to make a kosode...may try to
              print
              > it to make it more interesting.
              >
              > Hope this all helps. I still believe that making your own will
              make
              > you much happier and overall take less time.
              >
              > Kiri
              >
              >
              >
              > ----- Original Message -----
              > From: genevra1676 <genevra1676@j...>
              > Date: Friday, May 2, 2003 9:58 am
              > Subject: [SCA-JML] Re: Local contacts?
              >
              > > <span><p><span><p>
              > >
              > >
              > > <tt>
              > > Hi!!
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > My primary concerns right now are 1) putting together a name and
              > >
              > > persona and 2) putting together some garb.
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > A couple of the websites I've hit (including Hiraizumi-dono's)
              > > have a
              > >
              > > lot of helpful info on putting together a proper Japanese name.
              I
              > >
              > > still need to research into late-period Japanese history &
              > > culture to
              > >
              > > decide what class, occupation, and history my persona will have.
              > > Any
              > >
              > > suggestions about resources here would be helpful . . .
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > As for garb, I have found a site offering really nice cotton
              > > prints,
              > >
              > > but I'm still trying to find a good & affordable source of
              > > patterned
              > >
              > > (woven, embroidered, or painted) Japanese silk. I've seen a
              > > couple
              > >
              > > websites that offer bolts of fabric and/or karinui (such as
              > >
              > > www.yokodana.com and www.ichiroya.com), but given the prices I
              > > think
              > >
              > > I might be better off buying modern kimono from eBay and then
              > >
              > > modifying them to look more like period kosode & uchikake. I
              > > believe
              > >
              > > that kosode sleeves were short and rounded with small sleeve
              > > openings
              > >
              > > and attached all the way to the body and that kosode were made to
              > > be
              > >
              > > ankle-length (though uchikake could trail), but I still need to
              > > learn
              > >
              > > the more subtle differences between modern kimono and late-period
              > >
              > > kosode.
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > I would love to get together sometime with some of you for a
              > >
              > > brainstorming/sewing session. Unfortunately, right now I am
              > > helping
              > >
              > > my husband finish his senior project at Drexel, so I don't know
              > > when
              > >
              > > I'll be free. I'll will let know you when I am to see if we can
              > >
              > > coordinate something.
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > Domo arigato,
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > Genevra
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > --- In sca-jml@yahoogroups.com, Rosemary Norwood <liane@m...
              > > wrote:
              > > > Hi Generva!
              > >
              > > >
              > >
              > > > Here in Eisental we have a small group of us who do
              Japanese.
              > >
              > > Mistress
              > >
              > > > Annelise does Heian period as wellas some others. My husband
              > > and I
              > >
              > > do
              > >
              > > > Kamakura. Either of us can probably give you some help on
              > > female
              > >
              > > garb.
              > >
              > > >
              > >
              > > > What kind of info are you looking for or would you like to
              > > get
              > >
              > > together
              > >
              > > > for a brainstorm/sewing circle?
              > >
              > > >
              > >
              > > > Eisental is North of Philly, about an hour, it's about an
              > > hour and
              > >
              > > a
              > >
              > > > half to Iron Bog from here.
              > >
              > > >
              > >
              > > > Yomada no Tatsutoshime
              > >
              > > >
              > >
              > > > On Thu, May 01, 2003 at 04:28:48PM -0000, genevra1676 wrote:
              > >
              > > > > Hi!!
              > >
              > > > >
              > >
              > > > > One other question . . . I live in Iron Bog (mundanely
              > > southern
              > >
              > > NJ,
              > >
              > > > > less than 1/2 hour from Philly). Is there anyone who
              > > lives
              > >
              > > nearby
              > >
              > > > > that is knowledgeable in period Japan (especially
              > > relating to
              > >
              > > female
              > >
              > > > > garb) or any nearby Japanese households/clans/etc?
              > > Thanks again,
              > >
              > > > >
              > >
              > > > > Genevra
              > >
              > > > >
              > >
              > > > >
              > >
              > > > >
              > >
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            • Ii Saburou
              ... Yes, forgive me. The way I have to get out to your barony always makes it feel like it is south of where we are, because we have to figure out how to get
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                On Fri, 2 May 2003, ELAINE KOOGLER wrote:

                > And...huff, huff...you forgot about me! I live in southern Maryland,
                > which, though still a bit far, is closer than where Ii-dono and Lady
                > Aine live.

                Yes, forgive me. The way I have to get out to your barony always makes it
                feel like it is south of where we are, because we have to figure out how
                to get around DC, but if are outside that then I am sure it is much
                closer, being further east than we are.

                -Ii
              • Solveig
                Noble Cousin! Greetings from Solveig! A good tea cyclopedia will generally have lots of period prints illustrated in it. Mine was mostly destroyed in a flood,
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                  Noble Cousin!

                  Greetings from Solveig! A good tea cyclopedia will generally have lots of
                  period prints illustrated in it. Mine was mostly destroyed in a flood, but
                  it is published by Tankosha. You may be able to borrow a copy through
                  interlibrary loan. The Guide To Japanese Literature has color prints of
                  fabric patterns. (Note. Despite the English title, this book is in
                  Japanese.) I have seen Japanese cotton prints for sale in the garment
                  district in Boston. Prior to the invention of the Cotton jin, cotton
                  was a luxury fabric. Ramie, Cotton, Linen, Hemp, and Silk were all used
                  in Japan during period. Chinese brocades were used in Japan in certain
                  contexts.

                  It's not the "Laurel Police" it's the "Authenticity Police" and that was
                  a gag complete with badges about twenty years ago.
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                • Elaine Koogler
                  the next time you plan to be over this way, let me know and I ll send you directions on how to get through DC...much shorter! Kiri ... From: Ii Saburou To:
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                    the next time you plan to be over this way, let me know and I'll send you directions on how to get through DC...much shorter!

                    Kiri
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                    From: Ii Saburou
                    To: sca-jml@yahoogroups.com
                    Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 8:58 AM
                    Subject: Re: [SCA-JML] Local contacts?


                    On Fri, 2 May 2003, ELAINE KOOGLER wrote:

                    > And...huff, huff...you forgot about me! I live in southern Maryland,
                    > which, though still a bit far, is closer than where Ii-dono and Lady
                    > Aine live.

                    Yes, forgive me. The way I have to get out to your barony always makes it
                    feel like it is south of where we are, because we have to figure out how
                    to get around DC, but if are outside that then I am sure it is much
                    closer, being further east than we are.

                    -Ii


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                  • makiwara_no_yetsuko
                    ... where ... Greetings, In answer to your question, not that difficult. I did my first Japanese for West Kingdom Twelfth Night this year (it s on my website
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                      --- In sca-jml@yahoogroups.com, "genevra1676" <genevra1676@j...>
                      wrote:
                      > How difficult is it to print your own patterns on material (and
                      where
                      > do I find appropriate patterns)?

                      Greetings,
                      In answer to your question, not that difficult. I did my first
                      Japanese for West Kingdom Twelfth Night this year (it's on my website
                      at www.geocities.com/wodeford - still under construction, so if you
                      find any glitches, let me know!). As I couldn't find linoleum blocks
                      at the local craft store, I ended up with a sheet of Flexi-foam (it's
                      that stuff that has somewhat replaced felt for kids crafts), drew a
                      ginko leaf design on it, cut it out with scissors and glued it to a
                      wood block. I used Createx white fabric paint and a little water,
                      applying paint to the block with a roller. The printing was done on
                      silk twill from Dharma Trading, and heat set with an iron. (It came
                      so well, I recycled the block and stamped heraldic sunbursts on the
                      cotton sheeting curtains we use in our pavilion.)

                      I know the others have posted the link to the Kyoto Costume Museum -
                      there is a textile gallery which may give you some ideas on designs.
                      "Japanese Design Motifs; 4260 Illustrations of Heraldic Crests"
                      (Dover Pictorial Archive Series)by Matsuya, Matsuya Piece-Goods Store
                      (Compiler), Fumie Adachi runs about $11 on Amazon.com and may also
                      give you ideas.

                      Good luck,
                      Makiwara no Yetsuko
                    • Solveig
                      Noble Cousins! Greeting from Solveig! ... Please, please, please, do not rely upon the Matsuya Piece Goods Store kamon catalogue. You should understand what
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                        Noble Cousins!

                        Greeting from Solveig!

                        >I know the others have posted the link to the Kyoto Costume Museum -
                        >there is a textile gallery which may give you some ideas on designs.
                        >"Japanese Design Motifs; 4260 Illustrations of Heraldic Crests"
                        >(Dover Pictorial Archive Series)by Matsuya, Matsuya Piece-Goods Store
                        >(Compiler), Fumie Adachi runs about $11 on Amazon.com and may also
                        >give you ideas.

                        Please, please, please, do not rely upon the Matsuya Piece Goods
                        Store kamon catalogue. You should understand what this thing is.
                        In the nineteen century, the emperor granted all Japanese the
                        right to have kamon. So, everyone went out and ordered kimonp with
                        kamon on them. Matsuya put together a pattern book for this purpose.
                        It has no historical significance unless you are interested in the
                        Meiji Restoration.

                        For one thing, circles surounding base patterns were rare before 1600.
                        They are pretty much stereotypical today.
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                        Your Humble Servant
                        Solveig Throndardottir
                        Amateur Scholar

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                      • makiwara_no_yetsuko
                        ... Whoops! How very Sears And Roebuck of them. Good to know! Thanks, Makiwara
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                          --- In sca-jml@yahoogroups.com, Solveig <nostrand@a...> wrote:

                          > Please, please, please, do not rely upon the Matsuya Piece Goods
                          > Store kamon catalogue.
                          Whoops! How very Sears And Roebuck of them. Good to know!

                          Thanks,
                          Makiwara
                        • sean ibanez
                          YOu can find linoleum blocks at your local fine arts store, or you can ordel from Dick Blick(s?) art supply online, or Jerry s Artorama, or at Daniel SMiths
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                            YOu can find linoleum blocks at your local fine arts store, or you can ordel from Dick Blick(s?) art supply online, or Jerry's Artorama, or at Daniel SMiths' online. Also checkout Speedball, if they're online. They're the most common producers of lilo blocks that I know of, and they make a different lino block that's softer (abnd not actually linoleum). Irobe Saburo Yoriie

                            makiwara_no_yetsuko <makiwara_no_yetsuko@...> wrote:--- In sca-jml@yahoogroups.com, "genevra1676" <genevra1676@j...>
                            wrote:
                            > How difficult is it to print your own patterns on material (and
                            where
                            > do I find appropriate patterns)?

                            Greetings,
                            In answer to your question, not that difficult. I did my first
                            Japanese for West Kingdom Twelfth Night this year (it's on my website
                            at www.geocities.com/wodeford - still under construction, so if you
                            find any glitches, let me know!). As I couldn't find linoleum blocks
                            at the local craft store, I ended up with a sheet of Flexi-foam (it's
                            that stuff that has somewhat replaced felt for kids crafts), drew a
                            ginko leaf design on it, cut it out with scissors and glued it to a
                            wood block. I used Createx white fabric paint and a little water,
                            applying paint to the block with a roller. The printing was done on
                            silk twill from Dharma Trading, and heat set with an iron. (It came
                            so well, I recycled the block and stamped heraldic sunbursts on the
                            cotton sheeting curtains we use in our pavilion.)

                            I know the others have posted the link to the Kyoto Costume Museum -
                            there is a textile gallery which may give you some ideas on designs.
                            "Japanese Design Motifs; 4260 Illustrations of Heraldic Crests"
                            (Dover Pictorial Archive Series)by Matsuya, Matsuya Piece-Goods Store
                            (Compiler), Fumie Adachi runs about $11 on Amazon.com and may also
                            give you ideas.

                            Good luck,
                            Makiwara no Yetsuko


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