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  • Rosemary Norwood
    Hi Generva! Here in Eisental we have a small group of us who do Japanese. Mistress Annelise does Heian period as wellas some others. My husband and I do
    Message 1 of 16 , May 1 2:11 PM
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      Hi Generva!

      Here in Eisental we have a small group of us who do Japanese. Mistress
      Annelise does Heian period as wellas some others. My husband and I do
      Kamakura. Either of us can probably give you some help on female garb.

      What kind of info are you looking for or would you like to get together
      for a brainstorm/sewing circle?

      Eisental is North of Philly, about an hour, it's about an hour and a
      half to Iron Bog from here.

      Yomada no Tatsutoshime

      On Thu, May 01, 2003 at 04:28:48PM -0000, genevra1676 wrote:
      > Hi!!
      >
      > One other question . . . I live in Iron Bog (mundanely southern NJ,
      > less than 1/2 hour from Philly). Is there anyone who lives nearby
      > that is knowledgeable in period Japan (especially relating to female
      > garb) or any nearby Japanese households/clans/etc? Thanks again,
      >
      > Genevra
      >
      >
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    • Ii Saburou
      ... You have Matsuyama Mokurai and his wife Aki ame (aka Anne Liese Wolkenhaar) up in PA--they are about 45 min to an hour north of philly, IIRC. Aine and I
      Message 2 of 16 , May 1 3:07 PM
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        On Thu, 1 May 2003, genevra1676 wrote:

        > Hi!!
        >
        > One other question . . . I live in Iron Bog (mundanely southern NJ,
        > less than 1/2 hour from Philly). Is there anyone who lives nearby
        > that is knowledgeable in period Japan (especially relating to female
        > garb) or any nearby Japanese households/clans/etc? Thanks again,

        You have Matsuyama Mokurai and his wife Aki'ame (aka Anne Liese
        Wolkenhaar) up in PA--they are about 45 min to an hour north of philly,
        IIRC.

        Aine and I are down in VA, which is probably a bit far (I think it is 3~4
        hours up to Philly, usually).

        I don't know if Giovanna is still out on the list, but she is up in
        Maryland.

        I'm sure there's others, but I'm not sure where everyone is. If you come
        to Atlantian University in June, however, we will be having an entire
        track on Japan, so I'm sure we can help you.

        What are you looking for? This list can answer most questions people
        have.


        -Ii
      • Ii Saburou
        ... And last fall Eisental was host to the best Japanese event I have ever seen! You ve got some good people up there! -Ii
        Message 3 of 16 , May 1 4:19 PM
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          On Thu, 1 May 2003, Rosemary Norwood wrote:

          > Hi Generva!
          >
          > Here in Eisental we have a small group of us who do Japanese. Mistress
          > Annelise does Heian period as wellas some others. My husband and I do
          > Kamakura. Either of us can probably give you some help on female garb.
          >
          > What kind of info are you looking for or would you like to get together
          > for a brainstorm/sewing circle?
          >
          > Eisental is North of Philly, about an hour, it's about an hour and a
          > half to Iron Bog from here.

          And last fall Eisental was host to the best Japanese event I have ever
          seen!

          You've got some good people up there!


          -Ii
        • BamboOni@aol.com
          In a message dated 5/1/2003 12:29:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ... I live in Howell, NJ at the beach end of interstate 195. ... I m not as knowledgeable as I
          Message 4 of 16 , May 1 5:01 PM
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            In a message dated 5/1/2003 12:29:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
            genevra1676@... writes:

            > > mundanely southern NJ,
            > > less than 1/2 hour from Philly).

            I live in Howell, NJ at the beach end of interstate 195.



            > Is there anyone who lives nearby
            > that is knowledgeable in period Japan (especially relating to female
            > garb) or any nearby Japanese households/clans/etc?

            I'm not as knowledgeable as I as I wish I was in garb. All of my questions
            I get answered through this list. the people here are vastly more knowing
            about Japanese things and can answer a variety of questions.


            Takebayashi Genpachi


            ' Only the bamboo knows the pure breeze' 
                                              Zen Master Nanrei
            Kobori-roshi




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          • ELAINE KOOGLER
            And...huff, huff...you forgot about me! I live in southern Maryland, which, though still a bit far, is closer than where Ii-dono and Lady Aine live. Kiri ...
            Message 5 of 16 , May 2 5:01 AM
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              And...huff, huff...you forgot about me! I live in southern Maryland,
              which, though still a bit far, is closer than where Ii-dono and Lady
              Aine live.

              Kiri



              ----- Original Message -----
              From: Ii Saburou <logan@...>
              Date: Thursday, May 1, 2003 6:07 pm
              Subject: Re: [SCA-JML] Local contacts?

              > <span><p><span><p>
              >
              >
              > <tt>
              > On Thu, 1 May 2003, genevra1676 wrote:
              >
              >
              >
              > > Hi!!
              >
              > >
              >
              > > One other question . . . I live in Iron Bog (mundanely
              > southern NJ,
              >
              > > less than 1/2 hour from Philly). Is there anyone who lives
              > nearby
              >
              > > that is knowledgeable in period Japan (especially relating to
              > female
              >
              > > garb) or any nearby Japanese households/clans/etc? Thanks again,
              >
              >
              >
              > You have Matsuyama Mokurai and his wife Aki'ame (aka Anne Liese
              >
              > Wolkenhaar) up in PA--they are about 45 min to an hour north of
              > philly,
              >
              > IIRC.
              >
              >
              >
              > Aine and I are down in VA, which is probably a bit far (I think it
              > is 3~4
              >
              > hours up to Philly, usually).
              >
              >
              >
              > I don't know if Giovanna is still out on the list, but she is up
              > in
              >
              > Maryland.
              >
              >
              >
              > I'm sure there's others, but I'm not sure where everyone is. If
              > you come
              >
              > to Atlantian University in June, however, we will be having an
              > entire
              >
              > track on Japan, so I'm sure we can help you.
              >
              >
              >
              > What are you looking for? This list can answer most questions
              > people
              >
              > have.
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > -Ii
              >
              >
              >
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            • genevra1676
              Hi!! My primary concerns right now are 1) putting together a name and persona and 2) putting together some garb. A couple of the websites I ve hit (including
              Message 6 of 16 , May 2 6:58 AM
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                Hi!!

                My primary concerns right now are 1) putting together a name and
                persona and 2) putting together some garb.

                A couple of the websites I've hit (including Hiraizumi-dono's) have a
                lot of helpful info on putting together a proper Japanese name. I
                still need to research into late-period Japanese history & culture to
                decide what class, occupation, and history my persona will have. Any
                suggestions about resources here would be helpful . . .

                As for garb, I have found a site offering really nice cotton prints,
                but I'm still trying to find a good & affordable source of patterned
                (woven, embroidered, or painted) Japanese silk. I've seen a couple
                websites that offer bolts of fabric and/or karinui (such as
                www.yokodana.com and www.ichiroya.com), but given the prices I think
                I might be better off buying modern kimono from eBay and then
                modifying them to look more like period kosode & uchikake. I believe
                that kosode sleeves were short and rounded with small sleeve openings
                and attached all the way to the body and that kosode were made to be
                ankle-length (though uchikake could trail), but I still need to learn
                the more subtle differences between modern kimono and late-period
                kosode.

                I would love to get together sometime with some of you for a
                brainstorming/sewing session. Unfortunately, right now I am helping
                my husband finish his senior project at Drexel, so I don't know when
                I'll be free. I'll will let know you when I am to see if we can
                coordinate something.

                Domo arigato,

                Genevra

                --- In sca-jml@yahoogroups.com, Rosemary Norwood <liane@m...> wrote:
                > Hi Generva!
                >
                > Here in Eisental we have a small group of us who do Japanese.
                Mistress
                > Annelise does Heian period as wellas some others. My husband and I
                do
                > Kamakura. Either of us can probably give you some help on female
                garb.
                >
                > What kind of info are you looking for or would you like to get
                together
                > for a brainstorm/sewing circle?
                >
                > Eisental is North of Philly, about an hour, it's about an hour and
                a
                > half to Iron Bog from here.
                >
                > Yomada no Tatsutoshime
                >
                > On Thu, May 01, 2003 at 04:28:48PM -0000, genevra1676 wrote:
                > > Hi!!
                > >
                > > One other question . . . I live in Iron Bog (mundanely southern
                NJ,
                > > less than 1/2 hour from Philly). Is there anyone who lives
                nearby
                > > that is knowledgeable in period Japan (especially relating to
                female
                > > garb) or any nearby Japanese households/clans/etc? Thanks again,
                > >
                > > Genevra
                > >
                > >
                > >
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              • ELAINE KOOGLER
                Have you checked out Thai Silks? They have some lovely brocades, not 100% silk, but close enough...they do look exactly the same. That s what I m using for
                Message 7 of 16 , May 2 10:21 AM
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                  Have you checked out Thai Silks? They have some lovely brocades, not
                  100% silk, but close enough...they do look exactly the same. That's
                  what I'm using for my handfasting at Pennsic. They sell there for a
                  $11.20/yd, 29" wide. Yes, it's a little pricey, but far less than the
                  $29 or $30/yd I've seen at fabric stores in the DC area. I purchased 8
                  yards of fabric, and plan on having a fair amount left over. I'll be
                  making an uchikake with it. Some of what they have is REALLY awful,
                  and some is VERY Chinese in feeling, but they have some that is quite
                  lovely.

                  Another place you can check for silk (dupioni which some folks on this
                  list believe wouldn't have been used because of the "slubs" in the
                  fabric, crepe, etc.) is Fabrics.com. Again, their prices are quite
                  reasonable. I'm getting brown silk crepe to line my uchikake with for
                  8.95/yd and the fabric is 59" wide!

                  You can also use some kinds of rayon. While it is not period, it LOOKS
                  period, depending on what you find. I have made garments out of it
                  that draped beautifully and fit the descriptions I have read in many
                  places. Sorry...I know that, as a Laurel I should be very concerned
                  about using only period fabric...but I can't always afford it, and if I
                  can find a substitute that looks good (some of the cotton prints are
                  incredibly good), I say "go for it". I think that the look is more
                  important than content...in this case.

                  Late period upper class folks can also use cotton, linen..and hemp is
                  also good. I did find out that Dharma has undyed hemp and I'm
                  considering purchasing some of it to make a kosode...may try to print
                  it to make it more interesting.

                  Hope this all helps. I still believe that making your own will make
                  you much happier and overall take less time.

                  Kiri



                  ----- Original Message -----
                  From: genevra1676 <genevra1676@...>
                  Date: Friday, May 2, 2003 9:58 am
                  Subject: [SCA-JML] Re: Local contacts?

                  > <span><p><span><p>
                  >
                  >
                  > <tt>
                  > Hi!!
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > My primary concerns right now are 1) putting together a name and
                  >
                  > persona and 2) putting together some garb.
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > A couple of the websites I've hit (including Hiraizumi-dono's)
                  > have a
                  >
                  > lot of helpful info on putting together a proper Japanese name. I
                  >
                  > still need to research into late-period Japanese history &
                  > culture to
                  >
                  > decide what class, occupation, and history my persona will have.
                  > Any
                  >
                  > suggestions about resources here would be helpful . . .
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > As for garb, I have found a site offering really nice cotton
                  > prints,
                  >
                  > but I'm still trying to find a good & affordable source of
                  > patterned
                  >
                  > (woven, embroidered, or painted) Japanese silk. I've seen a
                  > couple
                  >
                  > websites that offer bolts of fabric and/or karinui (such as
                  >
                  > www.yokodana.com and www.ichiroya.com), but given the prices I
                  > think
                  >
                  > I might be better off buying modern kimono from eBay and then
                  >
                  > modifying them to look more like period kosode & uchikake. I
                  > believe
                  >
                  > that kosode sleeves were short and rounded with small sleeve
                  > openings
                  >
                  > and attached all the way to the body and that kosode were made to
                  > be
                  >
                  > ankle-length (though uchikake could trail), but I still need to
                  > learn
                  >
                  > the more subtle differences between modern kimono and late-period
                  >
                  > kosode.
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > I would love to get together sometime with some of you for a
                  >
                  > brainstorming/sewing session. Unfortunately, right now I am
                  > helping
                  >
                  > my husband finish his senior project at Drexel, so I don't know
                  > when
                  >
                  > I'll be free. I'll will let know you when I am to see if we can
                  >
                  > coordinate something.
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > Domo arigato,
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > Genevra
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > --- In sca-jml@yahoogroups.com, Rosemary Norwood <liane@m...>
                  > wrote:
                  > > Hi Generva!
                  >
                  > >
                  >
                  > > Here in Eisental we have a small group of us who do Japanese.
                  >
                  > Mistress
                  >
                  > > Annelise does Heian period as wellas some others. My husband
                  > and I
                  >
                  > do
                  >
                  > > Kamakura. Either of us can probably give you some help on
                  > female
                  >
                  > garb.
                  >
                  > >
                  >
                  > > What kind of info are you looking for or would you like to
                  > get
                  >
                  > together
                  >
                  > > for a brainstorm/sewing circle?
                  >
                  > >
                  >
                  > > Eisental is North of Philly, about an hour, it's about an
                  > hour and
                  >
                  > a
                  >
                  > > half to Iron Bog from here.
                  >
                  > >
                  >
                  > > Yomada no Tatsutoshime
                  >
                  > >
                  >
                  > > On Thu, May 01, 2003 at 04:28:48PM -0000, genevra1676 wrote:
                  >
                  > > > Hi!!
                  >
                  > > >
                  >
                  > > > One other question . . . I live in Iron Bog (mundanely
                  > southern
                  >
                  > NJ,
                  >
                  > > > less than 1/2 hour from Philly). Is there anyone who
                  > lives
                  >
                  > nearby
                  >
                  > > > that is knowledgeable in period Japan (especially
                  > relating to
                  >
                  > female
                  >
                  > > > garb) or any nearby Japanese households/clans/etc?
                  > Thanks again,
                  >
                  > > >
                  >
                  > > > Genevra
                  >
                  > > >
                  >
                  > > >
                  >
                  > > >
                  >
                  > > > UNSUBSCRIBE: E-mail sca-jml-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
                  >
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                • genevra1676
                  Hi!! Yes I did look at Thai Silks this morning--someone on this list posted the link last night. Some of their stuff does look nice, though as a Japanese
                  Message 8 of 16 , May 2 12:12 PM
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                    Hi!!

                    Yes I did look at Thai Silks this morning--someone on this list
                    posted the link last night. Some of their stuff does look nice,
                    though as a Japanese newbie I can't tell what is too Chinese or not.
                    I did order a couple more books on Japanese garb & textiles that your
                    protege Maroe-sama recommended, so hopefully that will help learn
                    me. :) And there is a large fabric warehouse in Philly called Jo-Mar
                    that has a great selection of fabric for cheap prices; I just haven't
                    been there since the Japanese bug bit to see if they have anything
                    appropriate.

                    How difficult is it to print your own patterns on material (and where
                    do I find appropriate patterns)? The main reason I've been
                    considering modifying modern kimono is I wasn't sure where or how
                    else to get that type of patterned silk otherwise. But if it is not
                    too terribly difficult to "paint" my own designs, that would be
                    great. I did also previously find a site called www.silken-
                    treasures.com which has some really nice cotton prints for $8.50/yd,
                    but I wasn't sure if cotton was appropriate for an upper-class woman
                    (for my European persona, I almost always use upholstery brocade or
                    silky-looking brocade/jacquard). But if you think cotton prints
                    would work, than that gives me yet another option. Thanks again,

                    Genevra

                    P.S.--I won't tell the Laurel police that you used rayon . . . :P

                    --- In sca-jml@yahoogroups.com, ELAINE KOOGLER <ekoogler1@c...> wrote:
                    > Have you checked out Thai Silks? They have some lovely brocades,
                    not
                    > 100% silk, but close enough...they do look exactly the same.
                    That's
                    > what I'm using for my handfasting at Pennsic. They sell there for
                    a
                    > $11.20/yd, 29" wide. Yes, it's a little pricey, but far less than
                    the
                    > $29 or $30/yd I've seen at fabric stores in the DC area. I
                    purchased 8
                    > yards of fabric, and plan on having a fair amount left over. I'll
                    be
                    > making an uchikake with it. Some of what they have is REALLY
                    awful,
                    > and some is VERY Chinese in feeling, but they have some that is
                    quite
                    > lovely.
                    >
                    > Another place you can check for silk (dupioni which some folks on
                    this
                    > list believe wouldn't have been used because of the "slubs" in the
                    > fabric, crepe, etc.) is Fabrics.com. Again, their prices are quite
                    > reasonable. I'm getting brown silk crepe to line my uchikake with
                    for
                    > 8.95/yd and the fabric is 59" wide!
                    >
                    > You can also use some kinds of rayon. While it is not period, it
                    LOOKS
                    > period, depending on what you find. I have made garments out of it
                    > that draped beautifully and fit the descriptions I have read in
                    many
                    > places. Sorry...I know that, as a Laurel I should be very
                    concerned
                    > about using only period fabric...but I can't always afford it, and
                    if I
                    > can find a substitute that looks good (some of the cotton prints
                    are
                    > incredibly good), I say "go for it". I think that the look is more
                    > important than content...in this case.
                    >
                    > Late period upper class folks can also use cotton, linen..and hemp
                    is
                    > also good. I did find out that Dharma has undyed hemp and I'm
                    > considering purchasing some of it to make a kosode...may try to
                    print
                    > it to make it more interesting.
                    >
                    > Hope this all helps. I still believe that making your own will
                    make
                    > you much happier and overall take less time.
                    >
                    > Kiri
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > ----- Original Message -----
                    > From: genevra1676 <genevra1676@j...>
                    > Date: Friday, May 2, 2003 9:58 am
                    > Subject: [SCA-JML] Re: Local contacts?
                    >
                    > > <span><p><span><p>
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > <tt>
                    > > Hi!!
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > My primary concerns right now are 1) putting together a name and
                    > >
                    > > persona and 2) putting together some garb.
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > A couple of the websites I've hit (including Hiraizumi-dono's)
                    > > have a
                    > >
                    > > lot of helpful info on putting together a proper Japanese name.
                    I
                    > >
                    > > still need to research into late-period Japanese history &
                    > > culture to
                    > >
                    > > decide what class, occupation, and history my persona will have.
                    > > Any
                    > >
                    > > suggestions about resources here would be helpful . . .
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > As for garb, I have found a site offering really nice cotton
                    > > prints,
                    > >
                    > > but I'm still trying to find a good & affordable source of
                    > > patterned
                    > >
                    > > (woven, embroidered, or painted) Japanese silk. I've seen a
                    > > couple
                    > >
                    > > websites that offer bolts of fabric and/or karinui (such as
                    > >
                    > > www.yokodana.com and www.ichiroya.com), but given the prices I
                    > > think
                    > >
                    > > I might be better off buying modern kimono from eBay and then
                    > >
                    > > modifying them to look more like period kosode & uchikake. I
                    > > believe
                    > >
                    > > that kosode sleeves were short and rounded with small sleeve
                    > > openings
                    > >
                    > > and attached all the way to the body and that kosode were made to
                    > > be
                    > >
                    > > ankle-length (though uchikake could trail), but I still need to
                    > > learn
                    > >
                    > > the more subtle differences between modern kimono and late-period
                    > >
                    > > kosode.
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > I would love to get together sometime with some of you for a
                    > >
                    > > brainstorming/sewing session. Unfortunately, right now I am
                    > > helping
                    > >
                    > > my husband finish his senior project at Drexel, so I don't know
                    > > when
                    > >
                    > > I'll be free. I'll will let know you when I am to see if we can
                    > >
                    > > coordinate something.
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > Domo arigato,
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > Genevra
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > --- In sca-jml@yahoogroups.com, Rosemary Norwood <liane@m...
                    > > wrote:
                    > > > Hi Generva!
                    > >
                    > > >
                    > >
                    > > > Here in Eisental we have a small group of us who do
                    Japanese.
                    > >
                    > > Mistress
                    > >
                    > > > Annelise does Heian period as wellas some others. My husband
                    > > and I
                    > >
                    > > do
                    > >
                    > > > Kamakura. Either of us can probably give you some help on
                    > > female
                    > >
                    > > garb.
                    > >
                    > > >
                    > >
                    > > > What kind of info are you looking for or would you like to
                    > > get
                    > >
                    > > together
                    > >
                    > > > for a brainstorm/sewing circle?
                    > >
                    > > >
                    > >
                    > > > Eisental is North of Philly, about an hour, it's about an
                    > > hour and
                    > >
                    > > a
                    > >
                    > > > half to Iron Bog from here.
                    > >
                    > > >
                    > >
                    > > > Yomada no Tatsutoshime
                    > >
                    > > >
                    > >
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                  • Ii Saburou
                    ... Yes, forgive me. The way I have to get out to your barony always makes it feel like it is south of where we are, because we have to figure out how to get
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                      On Fri, 2 May 2003, ELAINE KOOGLER wrote:

                      > And...huff, huff...you forgot about me! I live in southern Maryland,
                      > which, though still a bit far, is closer than where Ii-dono and Lady
                      > Aine live.

                      Yes, forgive me. The way I have to get out to your barony always makes it
                      feel like it is south of where we are, because we have to figure out how
                      to get around DC, but if are outside that then I am sure it is much
                      closer, being further east than we are.

                      -Ii
                    • Solveig
                      Noble Cousin! Greetings from Solveig! A good tea cyclopedia will generally have lots of period prints illustrated in it. Mine was mostly destroyed in a flood,
                      Message 10 of 16 , May 3 6:33 PM
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                        Noble Cousin!

                        Greetings from Solveig! A good tea cyclopedia will generally have lots of
                        period prints illustrated in it. Mine was mostly destroyed in a flood, but
                        it is published by Tankosha. You may be able to borrow a copy through
                        interlibrary loan. The Guide To Japanese Literature has color prints of
                        fabric patterns. (Note. Despite the English title, this book is in
                        Japanese.) I have seen Japanese cotton prints for sale in the garment
                        district in Boston. Prior to the invention of the Cotton jin, cotton
                        was a luxury fabric. Ramie, Cotton, Linen, Hemp, and Silk were all used
                        in Japan during period. Chinese brocades were used in Japan in certain
                        contexts.

                        It's not the "Laurel Police" it's the "Authenticity Police" and that was
                        a gag complete with badges about twenty years ago.
                        --

                        Your Humble Servant
                        Solveig Throndardottir
                        Amateur Scholar

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                      • Elaine Koogler
                        the next time you plan to be over this way, let me know and I ll send you directions on how to get through DC...much shorter! Kiri ... From: Ii Saburou To:
                        Message 11 of 16 , May 4 1:45 PM
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                          the next time you plan to be over this way, let me know and I'll send you directions on how to get through DC...much shorter!

                          Kiri
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                          From: Ii Saburou
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                          Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 8:58 AM
                          Subject: Re: [SCA-JML] Local contacts?


                          On Fri, 2 May 2003, ELAINE KOOGLER wrote:

                          > And...huff, huff...you forgot about me! I live in southern Maryland,
                          > which, though still a bit far, is closer than where Ii-dono and Lady
                          > Aine live.

                          Yes, forgive me. The way I have to get out to your barony always makes it
                          feel like it is south of where we are, because we have to figure out how
                          to get around DC, but if are outside that then I am sure it is much
                          closer, being further east than we are.

                          -Ii


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                        • makiwara_no_yetsuko
                          ... where ... Greetings, In answer to your question, not that difficult. I did my first Japanese for West Kingdom Twelfth Night this year (it s on my website
                          Message 12 of 16 , May 4 10:34 PM
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                            --- In sca-jml@yahoogroups.com, "genevra1676" <genevra1676@j...>
                            wrote:
                            > How difficult is it to print your own patterns on material (and
                            where
                            > do I find appropriate patterns)?

                            Greetings,
                            In answer to your question, not that difficult. I did my first
                            Japanese for West Kingdom Twelfth Night this year (it's on my website
                            at www.geocities.com/wodeford - still under construction, so if you
                            find any glitches, let me know!). As I couldn't find linoleum blocks
                            at the local craft store, I ended up with a sheet of Flexi-foam (it's
                            that stuff that has somewhat replaced felt for kids crafts), drew a
                            ginko leaf design on it, cut it out with scissors and glued it to a
                            wood block. I used Createx white fabric paint and a little water,
                            applying paint to the block with a roller. The printing was done on
                            silk twill from Dharma Trading, and heat set with an iron. (It came
                            so well, I recycled the block and stamped heraldic sunbursts on the
                            cotton sheeting curtains we use in our pavilion.)

                            I know the others have posted the link to the Kyoto Costume Museum -
                            there is a textile gallery which may give you some ideas on designs.
                            "Japanese Design Motifs; 4260 Illustrations of Heraldic Crests"
                            (Dover Pictorial Archive Series)by Matsuya, Matsuya Piece-Goods Store
                            (Compiler), Fumie Adachi runs about $11 on Amazon.com and may also
                            give you ideas.

                            Good luck,
                            Makiwara no Yetsuko
                          • Solveig
                            Noble Cousins! Greeting from Solveig! ... Please, please, please, do not rely upon the Matsuya Piece Goods Store kamon catalogue. You should understand what
                            Message 13 of 16 , May 5 12:57 AM
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                              Noble Cousins!

                              Greeting from Solveig!

                              >I know the others have posted the link to the Kyoto Costume Museum -
                              >there is a textile gallery which may give you some ideas on designs.
                              >"Japanese Design Motifs; 4260 Illustrations of Heraldic Crests"
                              >(Dover Pictorial Archive Series)by Matsuya, Matsuya Piece-Goods Store
                              >(Compiler), Fumie Adachi runs about $11 on Amazon.com and may also
                              >give you ideas.

                              Please, please, please, do not rely upon the Matsuya Piece Goods
                              Store kamon catalogue. You should understand what this thing is.
                              In the nineteen century, the emperor granted all Japanese the
                              right to have kamon. So, everyone went out and ordered kimonp with
                              kamon on them. Matsuya put together a pattern book for this purpose.
                              It has no historical significance unless you are interested in the
                              Meiji Restoration.

                              For one thing, circles surounding base patterns were rare before 1600.
                              They are pretty much stereotypical today.
                              --

                              Your Humble Servant
                              Solveig Throndardottir
                              Amateur Scholar

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                            • makiwara_no_yetsuko
                              ... Whoops! How very Sears And Roebuck of them. Good to know! Thanks, Makiwara
                              Message 14 of 16 , May 5 5:31 PM
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                                --- In sca-jml@yahoogroups.com, Solveig <nostrand@a...> wrote:

                                > Please, please, please, do not rely upon the Matsuya Piece Goods
                                > Store kamon catalogue.
                                Whoops! How very Sears And Roebuck of them. Good to know!

                                Thanks,
                                Makiwara
                              • sean ibanez
                                YOu can find linoleum blocks at your local fine arts store, or you can ordel from Dick Blick(s?) art supply online, or Jerry s Artorama, or at Daniel SMiths
                                Message 15 of 16 , May 5 10:13 PM
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                                  YOu can find linoleum blocks at your local fine arts store, or you can ordel from Dick Blick(s?) art supply online, or Jerry's Artorama, or at Daniel SMiths' online. Also checkout Speedball, if they're online. They're the most common producers of lilo blocks that I know of, and they make a different lino block that's softer (abnd not actually linoleum). Irobe Saburo Yoriie

                                  makiwara_no_yetsuko <makiwara_no_yetsuko@...> wrote:--- In sca-jml@yahoogroups.com, "genevra1676" <genevra1676@j...>
                                  wrote:
                                  > How difficult is it to print your own patterns on material (and
                                  where
                                  > do I find appropriate patterns)?

                                  Greetings,
                                  In answer to your question, not that difficult. I did my first
                                  Japanese for West Kingdom Twelfth Night this year (it's on my website
                                  at www.geocities.com/wodeford - still under construction, so if you
                                  find any glitches, let me know!). As I couldn't find linoleum blocks
                                  at the local craft store, I ended up with a sheet of Flexi-foam (it's
                                  that stuff that has somewhat replaced felt for kids crafts), drew a
                                  ginko leaf design on it, cut it out with scissors and glued it to a
                                  wood block. I used Createx white fabric paint and a little water,
                                  applying paint to the block with a roller. The printing was done on
                                  silk twill from Dharma Trading, and heat set with an iron. (It came
                                  so well, I recycled the block and stamped heraldic sunbursts on the
                                  cotton sheeting curtains we use in our pavilion.)

                                  I know the others have posted the link to the Kyoto Costume Museum -
                                  there is a textile gallery which may give you some ideas on designs.
                                  "Japanese Design Motifs; 4260 Illustrations of Heraldic Crests"
                                  (Dover Pictorial Archive Series)by Matsuya, Matsuya Piece-Goods Store
                                  (Compiler), Fumie Adachi runs about $11 on Amazon.com and may also
                                  give you ideas.

                                  Good luck,
                                  Makiwara no Yetsuko


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