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  • genevra1676
    Hi!! One other question . . . I live in Iron Bog (mundanely southern NJ, less than 1/2 hour from Philly). Is there anyone who lives nearby that is
    Message 1 of 16 , May 1, 2003
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      Hi!!

      One other question . . . I live in Iron Bog (mundanely southern NJ,
      less than 1/2 hour from Philly). Is there anyone who lives nearby
      that is knowledgeable in period Japan (especially relating to female
      garb) or any nearby Japanese households/clans/etc? Thanks again,

      Genevra
    • Rosemary Norwood
      Hi Generva! Here in Eisental we have a small group of us who do Japanese. Mistress Annelise does Heian period as wellas some others. My husband and I do
      Message 2 of 16 , May 1, 2003
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        Hi Generva!

        Here in Eisental we have a small group of us who do Japanese. Mistress
        Annelise does Heian period as wellas some others. My husband and I do
        Kamakura. Either of us can probably give you some help on female garb.

        What kind of info are you looking for or would you like to get together
        for a brainstorm/sewing circle?

        Eisental is North of Philly, about an hour, it's about an hour and a
        half to Iron Bog from here.

        Yomada no Tatsutoshime

        On Thu, May 01, 2003 at 04:28:48PM -0000, genevra1676 wrote:
        > Hi!!
        >
        > One other question . . . I live in Iron Bog (mundanely southern NJ,
        > less than 1/2 hour from Philly). Is there anyone who lives nearby
        > that is knowledgeable in period Japan (especially relating to female
        > garb) or any nearby Japanese households/clans/etc? Thanks again,
        >
        > Genevra
        >
        >
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      • Ii Saburou
        ... You have Matsuyama Mokurai and his wife Aki ame (aka Anne Liese Wolkenhaar) up in PA--they are about 45 min to an hour north of philly, IIRC. Aine and I
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          On Thu, 1 May 2003, genevra1676 wrote:

          > Hi!!
          >
          > One other question . . . I live in Iron Bog (mundanely southern NJ,
          > less than 1/2 hour from Philly). Is there anyone who lives nearby
          > that is knowledgeable in period Japan (especially relating to female
          > garb) or any nearby Japanese households/clans/etc? Thanks again,

          You have Matsuyama Mokurai and his wife Aki'ame (aka Anne Liese
          Wolkenhaar) up in PA--they are about 45 min to an hour north of philly,
          IIRC.

          Aine and I are down in VA, which is probably a bit far (I think it is 3~4
          hours up to Philly, usually).

          I don't know if Giovanna is still out on the list, but she is up in
          Maryland.

          I'm sure there's others, but I'm not sure where everyone is. If you come
          to Atlantian University in June, however, we will be having an entire
          track on Japan, so I'm sure we can help you.

          What are you looking for? This list can answer most questions people
          have.


          -Ii
        • Ii Saburou
          ... And last fall Eisental was host to the best Japanese event I have ever seen! You ve got some good people up there! -Ii
          Message 4 of 16 , May 1, 2003
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            On Thu, 1 May 2003, Rosemary Norwood wrote:

            > Hi Generva!
            >
            > Here in Eisental we have a small group of us who do Japanese. Mistress
            > Annelise does Heian period as wellas some others. My husband and I do
            > Kamakura. Either of us can probably give you some help on female garb.
            >
            > What kind of info are you looking for or would you like to get together
            > for a brainstorm/sewing circle?
            >
            > Eisental is North of Philly, about an hour, it's about an hour and a
            > half to Iron Bog from here.

            And last fall Eisental was host to the best Japanese event I have ever
            seen!

            You've got some good people up there!


            -Ii
          • BamboOni@aol.com
            In a message dated 5/1/2003 12:29:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ... I live in Howell, NJ at the beach end of interstate 195. ... I m not as knowledgeable as I
            Message 5 of 16 , May 1, 2003
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              In a message dated 5/1/2003 12:29:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
              genevra1676@... writes:

              > > mundanely southern NJ,
              > > less than 1/2 hour from Philly).

              I live in Howell, NJ at the beach end of interstate 195.



              > Is there anyone who lives nearby
              > that is knowledgeable in period Japan (especially relating to female
              > garb) or any nearby Japanese households/clans/etc?

              I'm not as knowledgeable as I as I wish I was in garb. All of my questions
              I get answered through this list. the people here are vastly more knowing
              about Japanese things and can answer a variety of questions.


              Takebayashi Genpachi


              ' Only the bamboo knows the pure breeze' 
                                                Zen Master Nanrei
              Kobori-roshi




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            • ELAINE KOOGLER
              And...huff, huff...you forgot about me! I live in southern Maryland, which, though still a bit far, is closer than where Ii-dono and Lady Aine live. Kiri ...
              Message 6 of 16 , May 2, 2003
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                And...huff, huff...you forgot about me! I live in southern Maryland,
                which, though still a bit far, is closer than where Ii-dono and Lady
                Aine live.

                Kiri



                ----- Original Message -----
                From: Ii Saburou <logan@...>
                Date: Thursday, May 1, 2003 6:07 pm
                Subject: Re: [SCA-JML] Local contacts?

                > <span><p><span><p>
                >
                >
                > <tt>
                > On Thu, 1 May 2003, genevra1676 wrote:
                >
                >
                >
                > > Hi!!
                >
                > >
                >
                > > One other question . . . I live in Iron Bog (mundanely
                > southern NJ,
                >
                > > less than 1/2 hour from Philly). Is there anyone who lives
                > nearby
                >
                > > that is knowledgeable in period Japan (especially relating to
                > female
                >
                > > garb) or any nearby Japanese households/clans/etc? Thanks again,
                >
                >
                >
                > You have Matsuyama Mokurai and his wife Aki'ame (aka Anne Liese
                >
                > Wolkenhaar) up in PA--they are about 45 min to an hour north of
                > philly,
                >
                > IIRC.
                >
                >
                >
                > Aine and I are down in VA, which is probably a bit far (I think it
                > is 3~4
                >
                > hours up to Philly, usually).
                >
                >
                >
                > I don't know if Giovanna is still out on the list, but she is up
                > in
                >
                > Maryland.
                >
                >
                >
                > I'm sure there's others, but I'm not sure where everyone is. If
                > you come
                >
                > to Atlantian University in June, however, we will be having an
                > entire
                >
                > track on Japan, so I'm sure we can help you.
                >
                >
                >
                > What are you looking for? This list can answer most questions
                > people
                >
                > have.
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > -Ii
                >
                >
                >
                > </tt>
                >
                >
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              • genevra1676
                Hi!! My primary concerns right now are 1) putting together a name and persona and 2) putting together some garb. A couple of the websites I ve hit (including
                Message 7 of 16 , May 2, 2003
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                  Hi!!

                  My primary concerns right now are 1) putting together a name and
                  persona and 2) putting together some garb.

                  A couple of the websites I've hit (including Hiraizumi-dono's) have a
                  lot of helpful info on putting together a proper Japanese name. I
                  still need to research into late-period Japanese history & culture to
                  decide what class, occupation, and history my persona will have. Any
                  suggestions about resources here would be helpful . . .

                  As for garb, I have found a site offering really nice cotton prints,
                  but I'm still trying to find a good & affordable source of patterned
                  (woven, embroidered, or painted) Japanese silk. I've seen a couple
                  websites that offer bolts of fabric and/or karinui (such as
                  www.yokodana.com and www.ichiroya.com), but given the prices I think
                  I might be better off buying modern kimono from eBay and then
                  modifying them to look more like period kosode & uchikake. I believe
                  that kosode sleeves were short and rounded with small sleeve openings
                  and attached all the way to the body and that kosode were made to be
                  ankle-length (though uchikake could trail), but I still need to learn
                  the more subtle differences between modern kimono and late-period
                  kosode.

                  I would love to get together sometime with some of you for a
                  brainstorming/sewing session. Unfortunately, right now I am helping
                  my husband finish his senior project at Drexel, so I don't know when
                  I'll be free. I'll will let know you when I am to see if we can
                  coordinate something.

                  Domo arigato,

                  Genevra

                  --- In sca-jml@yahoogroups.com, Rosemary Norwood <liane@m...> wrote:
                  > Hi Generva!
                  >
                  > Here in Eisental we have a small group of us who do Japanese.
                  Mistress
                  > Annelise does Heian period as wellas some others. My husband and I
                  do
                  > Kamakura. Either of us can probably give you some help on female
                  garb.
                  >
                  > What kind of info are you looking for or would you like to get
                  together
                  > for a brainstorm/sewing circle?
                  >
                  > Eisental is North of Philly, about an hour, it's about an hour and
                  a
                  > half to Iron Bog from here.
                  >
                  > Yomada no Tatsutoshime
                  >
                  > On Thu, May 01, 2003 at 04:28:48PM -0000, genevra1676 wrote:
                  > > Hi!!
                  > >
                  > > One other question . . . I live in Iron Bog (mundanely southern
                  NJ,
                  > > less than 1/2 hour from Philly). Is there anyone who lives
                  nearby
                  > > that is knowledgeable in period Japan (especially relating to
                  female
                  > > garb) or any nearby Japanese households/clans/etc? Thanks again,
                  > >
                  > > Genevra
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
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                • ELAINE KOOGLER
                  Have you checked out Thai Silks? They have some lovely brocades, not 100% silk, but close enough...they do look exactly the same. That s what I m using for
                  Message 8 of 16 , May 2, 2003
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                    Have you checked out Thai Silks? They have some lovely brocades, not
                    100% silk, but close enough...they do look exactly the same. That's
                    what I'm using for my handfasting at Pennsic. They sell there for a
                    $11.20/yd, 29" wide. Yes, it's a little pricey, but far less than the
                    $29 or $30/yd I've seen at fabric stores in the DC area. I purchased 8
                    yards of fabric, and plan on having a fair amount left over. I'll be
                    making an uchikake with it. Some of what they have is REALLY awful,
                    and some is VERY Chinese in feeling, but they have some that is quite
                    lovely.

                    Another place you can check for silk (dupioni which some folks on this
                    list believe wouldn't have been used because of the "slubs" in the
                    fabric, crepe, etc.) is Fabrics.com. Again, their prices are quite
                    reasonable. I'm getting brown silk crepe to line my uchikake with for
                    8.95/yd and the fabric is 59" wide!

                    You can also use some kinds of rayon. While it is not period, it LOOKS
                    period, depending on what you find. I have made garments out of it
                    that draped beautifully and fit the descriptions I have read in many
                    places. Sorry...I know that, as a Laurel I should be very concerned
                    about using only period fabric...but I can't always afford it, and if I
                    can find a substitute that looks good (some of the cotton prints are
                    incredibly good), I say "go for it". I think that the look is more
                    important than content...in this case.

                    Late period upper class folks can also use cotton, linen..and hemp is
                    also good. I did find out that Dharma has undyed hemp and I'm
                    considering purchasing some of it to make a kosode...may try to print
                    it to make it more interesting.

                    Hope this all helps. I still believe that making your own will make
                    you much happier and overall take less time.

                    Kiri



                    ----- Original Message -----
                    From: genevra1676 <genevra1676@...>
                    Date: Friday, May 2, 2003 9:58 am
                    Subject: [SCA-JML] Re: Local contacts?

                    > <span><p><span><p>
                    >
                    >
                    > <tt>
                    > Hi!!
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > My primary concerns right now are 1) putting together a name and
                    >
                    > persona and 2) putting together some garb.
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > A couple of the websites I've hit (including Hiraizumi-dono's)
                    > have a
                    >
                    > lot of helpful info on putting together a proper Japanese name. I
                    >
                    > still need to research into late-period Japanese history &
                    > culture to
                    >
                    > decide what class, occupation, and history my persona will have.
                    > Any
                    >
                    > suggestions about resources here would be helpful . . .
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > As for garb, I have found a site offering really nice cotton
                    > prints,
                    >
                    > but I'm still trying to find a good & affordable source of
                    > patterned
                    >
                    > (woven, embroidered, or painted) Japanese silk. I've seen a
                    > couple
                    >
                    > websites that offer bolts of fabric and/or karinui (such as
                    >
                    > www.yokodana.com and www.ichiroya.com), but given the prices I
                    > think
                    >
                    > I might be better off buying modern kimono from eBay and then
                    >
                    > modifying them to look more like period kosode & uchikake. I
                    > believe
                    >
                    > that kosode sleeves were short and rounded with small sleeve
                    > openings
                    >
                    > and attached all the way to the body and that kosode were made to
                    > be
                    >
                    > ankle-length (though uchikake could trail), but I still need to
                    > learn
                    >
                    > the more subtle differences between modern kimono and late-period
                    >
                    > kosode.
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > I would love to get together sometime with some of you for a
                    >
                    > brainstorming/sewing session. Unfortunately, right now I am
                    > helping
                    >
                    > my husband finish his senior project at Drexel, so I don't know
                    > when
                    >
                    > I'll be free. I'll will let know you when I am to see if we can
                    >
                    > coordinate something.
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > Domo arigato,
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > Genevra
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > --- In sca-jml@yahoogroups.com, Rosemary Norwood <liane@m...>
                    > wrote:
                    > > Hi Generva!
                    >
                    > >
                    >
                    > > Here in Eisental we have a small group of us who do Japanese.
                    >
                    > Mistress
                    >
                    > > Annelise does Heian period as wellas some others. My husband
                    > and I
                    >
                    > do
                    >
                    > > Kamakura. Either of us can probably give you some help on
                    > female
                    >
                    > garb.
                    >
                    > >
                    >
                    > > What kind of info are you looking for or would you like to
                    > get
                    >
                    > together
                    >
                    > > for a brainstorm/sewing circle?
                    >
                    > >
                    >
                    > > Eisental is North of Philly, about an hour, it's about an
                    > hour and
                    >
                    > a
                    >
                    > > half to Iron Bog from here.
                    >
                    > >
                    >
                    > > Yomada no Tatsutoshime
                    >
                    > >
                    >
                    > > On Thu, May 01, 2003 at 04:28:48PM -0000, genevra1676 wrote:
                    >
                    > > > Hi!!
                    >
                    > > >
                    >
                    > > > One other question . . . I live in Iron Bog (mundanely
                    > southern
                    >
                    > NJ,
                    >
                    > > > less than 1/2 hour from Philly). Is there anyone who
                    > lives
                    >
                    > nearby
                    >
                    > > > that is knowledgeable in period Japan (especially
                    > relating to
                    >
                    > female
                    >
                    > > > garb) or any nearby Japanese households/clans/etc?
                    > Thanks again,
                    >
                    > > >
                    >
                    > > > Genevra
                    >
                    > > >
                    >
                    > > >
                    >
                    > > >
                    >
                    > > > UNSUBSCRIBE: E-mail sca-jml-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
                    >
                    > > >
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                  • genevra1676
                    Hi!! Yes I did look at Thai Silks this morning--someone on this list posted the link last night. Some of their stuff does look nice, though as a Japanese
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                      Hi!!

                      Yes I did look at Thai Silks this morning--someone on this list
                      posted the link last night. Some of their stuff does look nice,
                      though as a Japanese newbie I can't tell what is too Chinese or not.
                      I did order a couple more books on Japanese garb & textiles that your
                      protege Maroe-sama recommended, so hopefully that will help learn
                      me. :) And there is a large fabric warehouse in Philly called Jo-Mar
                      that has a great selection of fabric for cheap prices; I just haven't
                      been there since the Japanese bug bit to see if they have anything
                      appropriate.

                      How difficult is it to print your own patterns on material (and where
                      do I find appropriate patterns)? The main reason I've been
                      considering modifying modern kimono is I wasn't sure where or how
                      else to get that type of patterned silk otherwise. But if it is not
                      too terribly difficult to "paint" my own designs, that would be
                      great. I did also previously find a site called www.silken-
                      treasures.com which has some really nice cotton prints for $8.50/yd,
                      but I wasn't sure if cotton was appropriate for an upper-class woman
                      (for my European persona, I almost always use upholstery brocade or
                      silky-looking brocade/jacquard). But if you think cotton prints
                      would work, than that gives me yet another option. Thanks again,

                      Genevra

                      P.S.--I won't tell the Laurel police that you used rayon . . . :P

                      --- In sca-jml@yahoogroups.com, ELAINE KOOGLER <ekoogler1@c...> wrote:
                      > Have you checked out Thai Silks? They have some lovely brocades,
                      not
                      > 100% silk, but close enough...they do look exactly the same.
                      That's
                      > what I'm using for my handfasting at Pennsic. They sell there for
                      a
                      > $11.20/yd, 29" wide. Yes, it's a little pricey, but far less than
                      the
                      > $29 or $30/yd I've seen at fabric stores in the DC area. I
                      purchased 8
                      > yards of fabric, and plan on having a fair amount left over. I'll
                      be
                      > making an uchikake with it. Some of what they have is REALLY
                      awful,
                      > and some is VERY Chinese in feeling, but they have some that is
                      quite
                      > lovely.
                      >
                      > Another place you can check for silk (dupioni which some folks on
                      this
                      > list believe wouldn't have been used because of the "slubs" in the
                      > fabric, crepe, etc.) is Fabrics.com. Again, their prices are quite
                      > reasonable. I'm getting brown silk crepe to line my uchikake with
                      for
                      > 8.95/yd and the fabric is 59" wide!
                      >
                      > You can also use some kinds of rayon. While it is not period, it
                      LOOKS
                      > period, depending on what you find. I have made garments out of it
                      > that draped beautifully and fit the descriptions I have read in
                      many
                      > places. Sorry...I know that, as a Laurel I should be very
                      concerned
                      > about using only period fabric...but I can't always afford it, and
                      if I
                      > can find a substitute that looks good (some of the cotton prints
                      are
                      > incredibly good), I say "go for it". I think that the look is more
                      > important than content...in this case.
                      >
                      > Late period upper class folks can also use cotton, linen..and hemp
                      is
                      > also good. I did find out that Dharma has undyed hemp and I'm
                      > considering purchasing some of it to make a kosode...may try to
                      print
                      > it to make it more interesting.
                      >
                      > Hope this all helps. I still believe that making your own will
                      make
                      > you much happier and overall take less time.
                      >
                      > Kiri
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > ----- Original Message -----
                      > From: genevra1676 <genevra1676@j...>
                      > Date: Friday, May 2, 2003 9:58 am
                      > Subject: [SCA-JML] Re: Local contacts?
                      >
                      > > <span><p><span><p>
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > <tt>
                      > > Hi!!
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > My primary concerns right now are 1) putting together a name and
                      > >
                      > > persona and 2) putting together some garb.
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > A couple of the websites I've hit (including Hiraizumi-dono's)
                      > > have a
                      > >
                      > > lot of helpful info on putting together a proper Japanese name.
                      I
                      > >
                      > > still need to research into late-period Japanese history &
                      > > culture to
                      > >
                      > > decide what class, occupation, and history my persona will have.
                      > > Any
                      > >
                      > > suggestions about resources here would be helpful . . .
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > As for garb, I have found a site offering really nice cotton
                      > > prints,
                      > >
                      > > but I'm still trying to find a good & affordable source of
                      > > patterned
                      > >
                      > > (woven, embroidered, or painted) Japanese silk. I've seen a
                      > > couple
                      > >
                      > > websites that offer bolts of fabric and/or karinui (such as
                      > >
                      > > www.yokodana.com and www.ichiroya.com), but given the prices I
                      > > think
                      > >
                      > > I might be better off buying modern kimono from eBay and then
                      > >
                      > > modifying them to look more like period kosode & uchikake. I
                      > > believe
                      > >
                      > > that kosode sleeves were short and rounded with small sleeve
                      > > openings
                      > >
                      > > and attached all the way to the body and that kosode were made to
                      > > be
                      > >
                      > > ankle-length (though uchikake could trail), but I still need to
                      > > learn
                      > >
                      > > the more subtle differences between modern kimono and late-period
                      > >
                      > > kosode.
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > I would love to get together sometime with some of you for a
                      > >
                      > > brainstorming/sewing session. Unfortunately, right now I am
                      > > helping
                      > >
                      > > my husband finish his senior project at Drexel, so I don't know
                      > > when
                      > >
                      > > I'll be free. I'll will let know you when I am to see if we can
                      > >
                      > > coordinate something.
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > Domo arigato,
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > Genevra
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > --- In sca-jml@yahoogroups.com, Rosemary Norwood <liane@m...
                      > > wrote:
                      > > > Hi Generva!
                      > >
                      > > >
                      > >
                      > > > Here in Eisental we have a small group of us who do
                      Japanese.
                      > >
                      > > Mistress
                      > >
                      > > > Annelise does Heian period as wellas some others. My husband
                      > > and I
                      > >
                      > > do
                      > >
                      > > > Kamakura. Either of us can probably give you some help on
                      > > female
                      > >
                      > > garb.
                      > >
                      > > >
                      > >
                      > > > What kind of info are you looking for or would you like to
                      > > get
                      > >
                      > > together
                      > >
                      > > > for a brainstorm/sewing circle?
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                      > >
                      > > > Eisental is North of Philly, about an hour, it's about an
                      > > hour and
                      > >
                      > > a
                      > >
                      > > > half to Iron Bog from here.
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                      > > > Yomada no Tatsutoshime
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                      > > > On Thu, May 01, 2003 at 04:28:48PM -0000, genevra1676 wrote:
                      > >
                      > > > > Hi!!
                      > >
                      > > > >
                      > >
                      > > > > One other question . . . I live in Iron Bog (mundanely
                      > > southern
                      > >
                      > > NJ,
                      > >
                      > > > > less than 1/2 hour from Philly). Is there anyone who
                      > > lives
                      > >
                      > > nearby
                      > >
                      > > > > that is knowledgeable in period Japan (especially
                      > > relating to
                      > >
                      > > female
                      > >
                      > > > > garb) or any nearby Japanese households/clans/etc?
                      > > Thanks again,
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                      > > > > Genevra
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                    • Ii Saburou
                      ... Yes, forgive me. The way I have to get out to your barony always makes it feel like it is south of where we are, because we have to figure out how to get
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                        On Fri, 2 May 2003, ELAINE KOOGLER wrote:

                        > And...huff, huff...you forgot about me! I live in southern Maryland,
                        > which, though still a bit far, is closer than where Ii-dono and Lady
                        > Aine live.

                        Yes, forgive me. The way I have to get out to your barony always makes it
                        feel like it is south of where we are, because we have to figure out how
                        to get around DC, but if are outside that then I am sure it is much
                        closer, being further east than we are.

                        -Ii
                      • Solveig
                        Noble Cousin! Greetings from Solveig! A good tea cyclopedia will generally have lots of period prints illustrated in it. Mine was mostly destroyed in a flood,
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                          Noble Cousin!

                          Greetings from Solveig! A good tea cyclopedia will generally have lots of
                          period prints illustrated in it. Mine was mostly destroyed in a flood, but
                          it is published by Tankosha. You may be able to borrow a copy through
                          interlibrary loan. The Guide To Japanese Literature has color prints of
                          fabric patterns. (Note. Despite the English title, this book is in
                          Japanese.) I have seen Japanese cotton prints for sale in the garment
                          district in Boston. Prior to the invention of the Cotton jin, cotton
                          was a luxury fabric. Ramie, Cotton, Linen, Hemp, and Silk were all used
                          in Japan during period. Chinese brocades were used in Japan in certain
                          contexts.

                          It's not the "Laurel Police" it's the "Authenticity Police" and that was
                          a gag complete with badges about twenty years ago.
                          --

                          Your Humble Servant
                          Solveig Throndardottir
                          Amateur Scholar

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                        • Elaine Koogler
                          the next time you plan to be over this way, let me know and I ll send you directions on how to get through DC...much shorter! Kiri ... From: Ii Saburou To:
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                            the next time you plan to be over this way, let me know and I'll send you directions on how to get through DC...much shorter!

                            Kiri
                            ----- Original Message -----
                            From: Ii Saburou
                            To: sca-jml@yahoogroups.com
                            Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 8:58 AM
                            Subject: Re: [SCA-JML] Local contacts?


                            On Fri, 2 May 2003, ELAINE KOOGLER wrote:

                            > And...huff, huff...you forgot about me! I live in southern Maryland,
                            > which, though still a bit far, is closer than where Ii-dono and Lady
                            > Aine live.

                            Yes, forgive me. The way I have to get out to your barony always makes it
                            feel like it is south of where we are, because we have to figure out how
                            to get around DC, but if are outside that then I am sure it is much
                            closer, being further east than we are.

                            -Ii


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                          • makiwara_no_yetsuko
                            ... where ... Greetings, In answer to your question, not that difficult. I did my first Japanese for West Kingdom Twelfth Night this year (it s on my website
                            Message 13 of 16 , May 4, 2003
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                              --- In sca-jml@yahoogroups.com, "genevra1676" <genevra1676@j...>
                              wrote:
                              > How difficult is it to print your own patterns on material (and
                              where
                              > do I find appropriate patterns)?

                              Greetings,
                              In answer to your question, not that difficult. I did my first
                              Japanese for West Kingdom Twelfth Night this year (it's on my website
                              at www.geocities.com/wodeford - still under construction, so if you
                              find any glitches, let me know!). As I couldn't find linoleum blocks
                              at the local craft store, I ended up with a sheet of Flexi-foam (it's
                              that stuff that has somewhat replaced felt for kids crafts), drew a
                              ginko leaf design on it, cut it out with scissors and glued it to a
                              wood block. I used Createx white fabric paint and a little water,
                              applying paint to the block with a roller. The printing was done on
                              silk twill from Dharma Trading, and heat set with an iron. (It came
                              so well, I recycled the block and stamped heraldic sunbursts on the
                              cotton sheeting curtains we use in our pavilion.)

                              I know the others have posted the link to the Kyoto Costume Museum -
                              there is a textile gallery which may give you some ideas on designs.
                              "Japanese Design Motifs; 4260 Illustrations of Heraldic Crests"
                              (Dover Pictorial Archive Series)by Matsuya, Matsuya Piece-Goods Store
                              (Compiler), Fumie Adachi runs about $11 on Amazon.com and may also
                              give you ideas.

                              Good luck,
                              Makiwara no Yetsuko
                            • Solveig
                              Noble Cousins! Greeting from Solveig! ... Please, please, please, do not rely upon the Matsuya Piece Goods Store kamon catalogue. You should understand what
                              Message 14 of 16 , May 5, 2003
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                                Noble Cousins!

                                Greeting from Solveig!

                                >I know the others have posted the link to the Kyoto Costume Museum -
                                >there is a textile gallery which may give you some ideas on designs.
                                >"Japanese Design Motifs; 4260 Illustrations of Heraldic Crests"
                                >(Dover Pictorial Archive Series)by Matsuya, Matsuya Piece-Goods Store
                                >(Compiler), Fumie Adachi runs about $11 on Amazon.com and may also
                                >give you ideas.

                                Please, please, please, do not rely upon the Matsuya Piece Goods
                                Store kamon catalogue. You should understand what this thing is.
                                In the nineteen century, the emperor granted all Japanese the
                                right to have kamon. So, everyone went out and ordered kimonp with
                                kamon on them. Matsuya put together a pattern book for this purpose.
                                It has no historical significance unless you are interested in the
                                Meiji Restoration.

                                For one thing, circles surounding base patterns were rare before 1600.
                                They are pretty much stereotypical today.
                                --

                                Your Humble Servant
                                Solveig Throndardottir
                                Amateur Scholar

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                              • makiwara_no_yetsuko
                                ... Whoops! How very Sears And Roebuck of them. Good to know! Thanks, Makiwara
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                                  --- In sca-jml@yahoogroups.com, Solveig <nostrand@a...> wrote:

                                  > Please, please, please, do not rely upon the Matsuya Piece Goods
                                  > Store kamon catalogue.
                                  Whoops! How very Sears And Roebuck of them. Good to know!

                                  Thanks,
                                  Makiwara
                                • sean ibanez
                                  YOu can find linoleum blocks at your local fine arts store, or you can ordel from Dick Blick(s?) art supply online, or Jerry s Artorama, or at Daniel SMiths
                                  Message 16 of 16 , May 5, 2003
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                                    YOu can find linoleum blocks at your local fine arts store, or you can ordel from Dick Blick(s?) art supply online, or Jerry's Artorama, or at Daniel SMiths' online. Also checkout Speedball, if they're online. They're the most common producers of lilo blocks that I know of, and they make a different lino block that's softer (abnd not actually linoleum). Irobe Saburo Yoriie

                                    makiwara_no_yetsuko <makiwara_no_yetsuko@...> wrote:--- In sca-jml@yahoogroups.com, "genevra1676" <genevra1676@j...>
                                    wrote:
                                    > How difficult is it to print your own patterns on material (and
                                    where
                                    > do I find appropriate patterns)?

                                    Greetings,
                                    In answer to your question, not that difficult. I did my first
                                    Japanese for West Kingdom Twelfth Night this year (it's on my website
                                    at www.geocities.com/wodeford - still under construction, so if you
                                    find any glitches, let me know!). As I couldn't find linoleum blocks
                                    at the local craft store, I ended up with a sheet of Flexi-foam (it's
                                    that stuff that has somewhat replaced felt for kids crafts), drew a
                                    ginko leaf design on it, cut it out with scissors and glued it to a
                                    wood block. I used Createx white fabric paint and a little water,
                                    applying paint to the block with a roller. The printing was done on
                                    silk twill from Dharma Trading, and heat set with an iron. (It came
                                    so well, I recycled the block and stamped heraldic sunbursts on the
                                    cotton sheeting curtains we use in our pavilion.)

                                    I know the others have posted the link to the Kyoto Costume Museum -
                                    there is a textile gallery which may give you some ideas on designs.
                                    "Japanese Design Motifs; 4260 Illustrations of Heraldic Crests"
                                    (Dover Pictorial Archive Series)by Matsuya, Matsuya Piece-Goods Store
                                    (Compiler), Fumie Adachi runs about $11 on Amazon.com and may also
                                    give you ideas.

                                    Good luck,
                                    Makiwara no Yetsuko


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