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  • Ii Saburou
    I am seeing something in women s clothing called aigi . The kanji are space ( aida / kan ) and clothing ( ki(ru) / chaku ). It looks like a really nice
    Message 1 of 6 , Apr 13 6:05 PM
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      I am seeing something in women's clothing called 'aigi'. The kanji are
      space ('aida'/'kan') and clothing ('ki(ru)'/'chaku'). It looks like a
      really nice kosode worn in Momoyama under an uchikake. Is anyone familiar
      with this?

      http://www.iz2.or.jp/fukusyoku/busou/31.htm

      -Ii
    • Anthony J. Bryant
      ... It s another name for the uwagi. Or, rather, it s an uwagi when it s worn without an uchikake. From Sasaki: The aigi is a kosode worn under an uchikake
      Message 2 of 6 , Apr 14 1:12 AM
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        Ii Saburou wrote:

        >I am seeing something in women's clothing called 'aigi'. The kanji are
        >space ('aida'/'kan') and clothing ('ki(ru)'/'chaku'). It looks like a
        >really nice kosode worn in Momoyama under an uchikake. Is anyone familiar
        >with this?
        >
        >
        >
        It's another name for the uwagi. Or, rather, it's an uwagi when it's
        worn without an uchikake. From Sasaki:
        "The aigi is a kosode worn under an uchikake is (when not wearing an
        uchikake over it it is called an uwagi) ; moreover, there are examples
        when it is not layered with shitagi. During summer celebrations and the
        like, the uchikake is not worn on the shoulders and the arms are taken
        out of the sleeves and are and wrapped about the waist and the aigi
        shows above the waist."

        You know the Japanese. They love giving different names to the same
        things when used for different occasions. "Is this a blah-blah?" "No,
        it's a dinglie-doodly. A blah-blah is never worn on Thursday afternoons
        in months with an 'R' in them."

        Effingham
        ---------
        show France how you feel: just say "non"
        http://www.cafeshops.com/justsaynon

        >
        >
      • ELAINE KOOGLER
        I ve been working on getting together the garb I will be wearing for the handfasting, and I ve pretty much settled on wearing an uchikake, etc., from this
        Message 3 of 6 , Apr 14 6:06 AM
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          I've been working on getting together the garb I will be wearing for
          the handfasting, and I've pretty much settled on wearing an uchikake,
          etc., from this period. (I've already ordered the brocase I'm going to
          use...can't wait to get it in and start playing!!). However, given the
          shape of my body, I don't feel that wearing the aigi as it is shown
          here. I am considering wearing a couple of kosode (red one under a
          white one) with my red hakama (yes, I'm sure, as Master Edward
          indicates here, that there are other names for them). I hope that this
          will still be acceptable for this period. I have seen paintings of
          such, and I have a doll dressed this way.

          Also, I have read of a garment (Japanese name escapes me at the moment)
          that was worn by the very high noble women. The main body was made
          like a short jacket with sleeves, only the sleeves were stitched just
          to the body and not sewn together in any way. The side seams of the
          main body were not sewn together either. It worked kind of like a
          mantle, and was an indication of rank. Does anyone know what I'm
          talking about? And would it be reasonable for me, as Baroness of Dun
          Carraig, to wear one?

          Kiri



          ----- Original Message -----
          From: "Anthony J. Bryant" <ajbryant@...>
          Date: Monday, April 14, 2003 4:12 am
          Subject: Re: [SCA-JML] Aigi

          > <span><p><span><p>
          >
          >
          > <tt>
          > Ii Saburou wrote:
          >
          >
          >
          > >I am seeing something in women's clothing called 'aigi'. The
          > kanji are
          >
          > >space ('aida'/'kan') and clothing ('ki(ru)'/'chaku'). It
          > looks like a
          >
          > >really nice kosode worn in Momoyama under an uchikake. Is
          > anyone familiar
          >
          > >with this?
          >
          > >
          >
          > >
          >
          > >
          >
          > It's another name for the uwagi. Or, rather, it's an uwagi when
          > it's
          >
          > worn without an uchikake. From Sasaki:
          >
          > "The aigi is a kosode worn under an uchikake is (when not
          > wearing an
          >
          > uchikake over it it is called an uwagi) ; moreover, there are
          > examples
          >
          > when it is not layered with shitagi. During summer celebrations
          > and the
          >
          > like, the uchikake is not worn on the shoulders and the arms are
          > taken
          >
          > out of the sleeves and are and wrapped about the waist and the
          > aigi
          >
          > shows above the waist."
          >
          >
          >
          > You know the Japanese. They love giving different names to the
          > same
          >
          > things when used for different occasions. "Is this a blah-
          > blah?" "No,
          >
          > it's a dinglie-doodly. A blah-blah is never worn on Thursday
          > afternoons
          >
          > in months with an 'R' in them."
          >
          >
          >
          > Effingham
          >
          > ---------
          >
          > show France how you feel: just say "non"
          >
          > http://www.cafeshops.com/justsaynon
          >
          >
          >
          > >
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        • makiwara_no_yetsuko
          ... moment) ... just ... the ... Dun ... Sounds to me like the karaginu Chinese jacket worn over court clothing. The open sides are to accomodate the sash of
          Message 4 of 6 , Apr 14 6:06 PM
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            --- In sca-jml@yahoogroups.com, ELAINE KOOGLER <ekoogler1@c...> wrote:
            > Also, I have read of a garment (Japanese name escapes me at the
            moment)
            > that was worn by the very high noble women. The main body was made
            > like a short jacket with sleeves, only the sleeves were stitched
            just
            > to the body and not sewn together in any way. The side seams of
            the
            > main body were not sewn together either. It worked kind of like a
            > mantle, and was an indication of rank. Does anyone know what I'm
            > talking about? And would it be reasonable for me, as Baroness of
            Dun
            > Carraig, to wear one?
            Sounds to me like the karaginu "Chinese jacket" worn over court
            clothing. The open sides are to accomodate the sash of the mo, the
            long white train worn with formal court clothing.

            http://www.rindo.com/105/kimono/obi-img/karaginu/karaginue.html

            Makiwara
          • Ii Saburou
            Is this what you are looking at: http://www.iz2.or.jp/fukusyoku/busou/35.htm It is, if I am reading it right, a shrine maiden (fujo) to Izumo for temple
            Message 5 of 6 , Apr 14 7:52 PM
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              Is this what you are looking at:
              http://www.iz2.or.jp/fukusyoku/busou/35.htm

              It is, if I am reading it right, a shrine maiden (fujo) to Izumo for
              temple soliciation from another province.

              I believe they are calling the outer garment a 'chihaya', and she is
              wearing kiribakama (lit. 'cut hakama').

              -Ii

              On Mon, 14 Apr 2003, ELAINE KOOGLER wrote:

              > I've been working on getting together the garb I will be wearing for
              > the handfasting, and I've pretty much settled on wearing an uchikake,
              > etc., from this period. (I've already ordered the brocase I'm going to
              > use...can't wait to get it in and start playing!!). However, given the
              > shape of my body, I don't feel that wearing the aigi as it is shown
              > here. I am considering wearing a couple of kosode (red one under a
              > white one) with my red hakama (yes, I'm sure, as Master Edward
              > indicates here, that there are other names for them). I hope that this
              > will still be acceptable for this period. I have seen paintings of
              > such, and I have a doll dressed this way.
              >
              > Also, I have read of a garment (Japanese name escapes me at the moment)
              > that was worn by the very high noble women. The main body was made
              > like a short jacket with sleeves, only the sleeves were stitched just
              > to the body and not sewn together in any way. The side seams of the
              > main body were not sewn together either. It worked kind of like a
              > mantle, and was an indication of rank. Does anyone know what I'm
              > talking about? And would it be reasonable for me, as Baroness of Dun
              > Carraig, to wear one?
              >
              > Kiri
              >
              >
              >
              > ----- Original Message -----
              > From: "Anthony J. Bryant" <ajbryant@...>
              > Date: Monday, April 14, 2003 4:12 am
              > Subject: Re: [SCA-JML] Aigi
              >
              > > <span><p><span><p>
              > >
              > >
              > > <tt>
              > > Ii Saburou wrote:
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > >I am seeing something in women's clothing called 'aigi'. The
              > > kanji are
              > >
              > > >space ('aida'/'kan') and clothing ('ki(ru)'/'chaku'). It
              > > looks like a
              > >
              > > >really nice kosode worn in Momoyama under an uchikake. Is
              > > anyone familiar
              > >
              > > >with this?
              > >
              > > >
              > >
              > > >
              > >
              > > >
              > >
              > > It's another name for the uwagi. Or, rather, it's an uwagi when
              > > it's
              > >
              > > worn without an uchikake. From Sasaki:
              > >
              > > "The aigi is a kosode worn under an uchikake is (when not
              > > wearing an
              > >
              > > uchikake over it it is called an uwagi) ; moreover, there are
              > > examples
              > >
              > > when it is not layered with shitagi. During summer celebrations
              > > and the
              > >
              > > like, the uchikake is not worn on the shoulders and the arms are
              > > taken
              > >
              > > out of the sleeves and are and wrapped about the waist and the
              > > aigi
              > >
              > > shows above the waist."
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > You know the Japanese. They love giving different names to the
              > > same
              > >
              > > things when used for different occasions. "Is this a blah-
              > > blah?" "No,
              > >
              > > it's a dinglie-doodly. A blah-blah is never worn on Thursday
              > > afternoons
              > >
              > > in months with an 'R' in them."
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > Effingham
              > >
              > > ---------
              > >
              > > show France how you feel: just say "non"
              > >
              > > http://www.cafeshops.com/justsaynon
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > >
              > >
              > > >
              > >
              > >
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            • ELAINE KOOGLER
              Actually, no. This is a lot larger and more complicated than what I am thinking of. I suspect maybe the karaginu described and seen in the web link sent by
              Message 6 of 6 , Apr 15 6:05 AM
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                Actually, no. This is a lot larger and more complicated than what I am
                thinking of. I suspect maybe the karaginu described and seen in the
                web link sent by Makiwara-dono is more on point...though the sleeves of
                the garment seemed to be sewn together down the back and bottom...and
                this garment was not.

                Thanks anyway. In truth, it may be an earlier period garment than the
                Momoyama garb I'm planning...and it may have been restricted to the
                Imperial family...not sure. If so, in either case, it probably
                wouldn't be appropriate for me to wear.

                Kiri



                ----- Original Message -----
                From: Ii Saburou <logan@...>
                Date: Monday, April 14, 2003 10:52 pm
                Subject: Re: [SCA-JML] Aigi

                > <span><p><span><p>
                >
                >
                > <tt>
                > Is this what you are looking at:
                >
                > http://www.iz2.or.jp/fukusyoku/busou/35.htm
                >
                >
                >
                > It is, if I am reading it right, a shrine maiden (fujo) to Izumo
                > for
                >
                > temple soliciation from another province.
                >
                >
                >
                > I believe they are calling the outer garment a 'chihaya', and she
                > is
                >
                > wearing kiribakama (lit. 'cut hakama').
                >
                >
                >
                > -Ii
                >
                >
                >
                > On Mon, 14 Apr 2003, ELAINE KOOGLER wrote:
                >
                >
                >
                > > I've been working on getting together the garb I will be
                > wearing for
                >
                > > the handfasting, and I've pretty much settled on wearing an
                > uchikake,
                >
                > > etc., from this period. (I've already ordered the brocase
                > I'm going to
                >
                > > use...can't wait to get it in and start playing!!). However,
                > given the
                >
                > > shape of my body, I don't feel that wearing the aigi as it is
                > shown
                >
                > > here. I am considering wearing a couple of kosode (red one
                > under a
                >
                > > white one) with my red hakama (yes, I'm sure, as Master
                > Edward
                >
                > > indicates here, that there are other names for them). I hope
                > that this
                >
                > > will still be acceptable for this period. I have seen
                > paintings of
                >
                > > such, and I have a doll dressed this way.
                >
                > >
                >
                > > Also, I have read of a garment (Japanese name escapes me at
                > the moment)
                >
                > > that was worn by the very high noble women. The main body
                > was made
                >
                > > like a short jacket with sleeves, only the sleeves were
                > stitched just
                >
                > > to the body and not sewn together in any way. The side seams
                > of the
                >
                > > main body were not sewn together either. It worked kind of
                > like a
                >
                > > mantle, and was an indication of rank. Does anyone know what
                > I'm
                >
                > > talking about? And would it be reasonable for me, as
                > Baroness of Dun
                >
                > > Carraig, to wear one?
                >
                > >
                >
                > > Kiri
                >
                > >
                >
                > >
                >
                > >
                >
                > > ----- Original Message -----
                >
                > > From: "Anthony J. Bryant" <ajbryant@...>
                >
                > > Date: Monday, April 14, 2003 4:12 am
                >
                > > Subject: Re: [SCA-JML] Aigi
                >
                > >
                >
                > > > <span><p><span><p>
                >
                > > >
                >
                > > >
                >
                > > > <tt>
                >
                > > > Ii Saburou wrote:
                >
                > > >
                >
                > > >
                >
                > > >
                >
                > > > &gt;I am seeing something in women's clothing called
                > 'aigi'. The
                >
                > > > kanji are
                >
                > > >
                >
                > > > &gt;space ('aida'/'kan') and clothing
                > ('ki(ru)'/'chaku'). It
                >
                > > > looks like a
                >
                > > >
                >
                > > > &gt;really nice kosode worn in Momoyama under an
                > uchikake. Is
                >
                > > > anyone familiar
                >
                > > >
                >
                > > > &gt;with this?
                >
                > > >
                >
                > > > &gt;
                >
                > > >
                >
                > > > &gt;
                >
                > > >
                >
                > > > &gt;
                >
                > > >
                >
                > > > It's another name for the uwagi. Or, rather, it's an
                > uwagi when
                >
                > > > it's
                >
                > > >
                >
                > > > worn without an uchikake. From Sasaki:
                >
                > > >
                >
                > > > &quot;The aigi is a kosode worn under an uchikake
                > is (when not
                >
                > > > wearing an
                >
                > > >
                >
                > > > uchikake over it it is called an uwagi) ; moreover,
                > there are
                >
                > > > examples
                >
                > > >
                >
                > > > when it is not layered with shitagi. During summer
                > celebrations
                >
                > > > and the
                >
                > > >
                >
                > > > like, the uchikake is not worn on the shoulders and the
                > arms are
                >
                > > > taken
                >
                > > >
                >
                > > > out of the sleeves and are and wrapped about the waist
                > and the
                >
                > > > aigi
                >
                > > >
                >
                > > > shows above the waist.&quot;
                >
                > > >
                >
                > > >
                >
                > > >
                >
                > > > You know the Japanese. They love giving different names
                > to the
                >
                > > > same
                >
                > > >
                >
                > > > things when used for different occasions. &quot;Is
                > this a blah-
                >
                > > > blah?&quot; &quot;No,
                >
                > > >
                >
                > > > it's a dinglie-doodly. A blah-blah is never worn on
                > Thursday
                >
                > > > afternoons
                >
                > > >
                >
                > > > in months with an 'R' in them.&quot;
                >
                > > >
                >
                > > >
                >
                > > >
                >
                > > > Effingham
                >
                > > >
                >
                > > > ---------
                >
                > > >
                >
                > > > show France how you feel: just say &quot;non&quot;
                >
                > > >
                >
                > > > http://www.cafeshops.com/justsaynon
                >
                > > >
                >
                > > >
                >
                > > >
                >
                > > > &gt;
                >
                > > >
                >
                > > > &gt;
                >
                > > >
                >
                > > >
                >
                > > >
                >
                > > >
                >
                > > >
                >
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