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  • ELAINE KOOGLER
    Congratulations, Ii-dono! I m so very proud of you. This is certainly a well-deserved honor. I m also quite certain that Effingham is very proud as well!
    Message 1 of 20 , Mar 3, 2003
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      Congratulations, Ii-dono! I'm so very proud of you. This is certainly
      a well-deserved honor. I'm also quite certain that Effingham is very
      proud as well!

      Kiri



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      From: "daviem01 <ellen.m.davis@...>" <ellen.m.davis@...>
      Date: Sunday, March 2, 2003 10:04 pm
      Subject: [SCA-JML] Re: Seperate questions about armour

      > <span><p><span><p>
      >
      >
      > <tt>
      > > The current suit requires massive reworking, however. I hope
      > to be
      >
      > > fighting again, soon, but I then am thinking about doing a
      >
      > completely new
      >
      > > dou, just because the one I have right now is not good for
      > regular
      >
      > SCA
      >
      > > Combat armour.
      >
      > >
      >
      > > -Ii, who has too many projects right now.
      >
      >
      >
      > On a related note (and because he would never mention it himself)
      > I
      >
      > am pleased to announce that Ii-dono was awarded the Silver
      > Nautilus
      >
      > by His Atlantian Majesty Cuan yesterday at our Kingdom Arts and
      >
      > Sciences Festival.
      >
      >
      >
      > The Silver Nautilus is an award given for a single
      > "surpassingly
      >
      > excellent" achievement or project in the Arts and Sciences.
      > Ii-
      >
      > dono's particular achievement that caught His Majesty's eye was
      > his
      >
      > Persona Pentathlon entry, which included several examples of
      > Momoyama
      >
      > clothing (dobuku, kataginu kamishimo, and suo no kamishimo), a
      >
      > calligraphy sample, but in particular the above-mentioned armour,
      > an
      >
      > example of ryo-awase nimaido. The entire assemblage was
      >
      > declared "most fitting of a Japanese warrior" by His
      > Majesty.
      >
      >
      > Ei! Ei! Oooooh!
      >
      >
      >
      > -Aine
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > </tt>
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    • Anthony J. Bryant
      ... General comment: Holy crap! That s .... um..... thick. I wouldn t use anything more than 3/16 for kozane, and part of me
      Message 2 of 20 , Mar 4, 2003
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        Ash Smith wrote:

        >
        > But my new armor , with the kozane overlap is going to be over 1/2" thick!
        > (1/4" ABS overlapped + thickness from lacing).
        >

        General comment:

        <Frank Barone> Holy crap! </Frank Barone>

        That's .... um..... thick. I wouldn't use anything more than 3/16 for kozane,
        and part of me actually prefers 1/8", given the overlap.

        Effingham
      • Anthony J. Bryant
        ... Brilliant!! Very, frikkin well done!!!! And while we re congratulating folks.... Did someone tell me our own Yayoi-monster Aine is recently in receipt of
        Message 3 of 20 , Mar 4, 2003
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          "daviem01 " wrote:

          >
          > On a related note (and because he would never mention it himself) I
          > am pleased to announce that Ii-dono was awarded the Silver Nautilus
          > by His Atlantian Majesty Cuan yesterday at our Kingdom Arts and
          > Sciences Festival.
          >

          Brilliant!!

          Very, frikkin' well done!!!!


          And while we're congratulating folks....

          Did someone tell me our own Yayoi-monster Aine is recently in receipt of an
          Award of Arms?

          Well done, both of you!!!


          Effingham
          Doing the happy peer dance...
        • Ash Smith
          Well when I was ordering my plastic I ask around and the general consensus was 1/4 ... perhaps I wasn t clear that I was going to be making kozane hehe. But
          Message 4 of 20 , Mar 4, 2003
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            Well when I was ordering my plastic I ask around and the general consensus
            was 1/4" ... perhaps I wasn't clear that I was going to be making kozane
            hehe.

            But it's too late now, it's already paid for and partially cut... perhaps I
            should stop while I don't have much of the kozane cut, and do Kiritsuke
            Zane?

            Would actually save me some plastic too... and instead of putting the strips
            of leather/etc, with the plastic I could actually heat and bend it up in
            those portions to zig-zag and (hopefully) do a bit better illusion.

            Ash


            ----- Original Message -----
            From: "Anthony J. Bryant" <ajbryant@...>
            To: <sca-jml@yahoogroups.com>
            Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 7:50 AM
            Subject: Re: [SCA-JML] Seperate questions about armour


            > General comment:
            >
            > <Frank Barone> Holy crap! </Frank Barone>
            >
            > That's .... um..... thick. I wouldn't use anything more than 3/16 for
            kozane,
            > and part of me actually prefers 1/8", given the overlap.
            >
            > Effingham
            >
          • Anthony J. Bryant
            ... That would be a difference. ... That s what I d use plastic of those dimensions for, yes... assuming it s flexible enough that it wouldn t shatter.
            Message 5 of 20 , Mar 5, 2003
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              Ash Smith wrote:

              > Well when I was ordering my plastic I ask around and the general consensus
              > was 1/4" ... perhaps I wasn't clear that I was going to be making kozane
              > hehe.
              >

              That would be a difference. <G>

              >
              > But it's too late now, it's already paid for and partially cut... perhaps I
              > should stop while I don't have much of the kozane cut, and do Kiritsuke
              > Zane?
              >

              That's what I'd use plastic of those dimensions for, yes... assuming it's
              flexible enough that it wouldn't shatter. Remember that cutting down the ribs
              for kiritsuke-zane would weaken the plastic, and if your plastic is the brittle
              kind, it could shatter on you and ruin all that effort. If you can cut a lame
              section and waffle it around a bit without it snapping, it should be safe for
              kiritsuke-zane.



              Effingham
            • jim e grunst
              On Tue, 04 Mar 2003 14:27:57 -0500 Ash Smith ... The larger the piece, and the more curve to the piece, and also the more holes you have,
              Message 6 of 20 , Mar 5, 2003
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                On Tue, 04 Mar 2003 14:27:57 -0500 Ash Smith <kobushi@...>
                writes:
                > Well when I was ordering my plastic I ask around and the general
                > consensus
                > was 1/4" ... perhaps I wasn't clear that I was going to be making
                > kozane
                > hehe.
                >

                The larger the piece, and the more curve to the piece, and also the more
                holes you have, the more likely you'll have broken pieces.
                I'd go thicker.
                Also, you are using ABS rather than Kydex?
                ABS breaks more readily than Kydex, if I'm not mistaken.
                Have you considered ALUMINUM?

                Tochiro

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              • Anthony J. Bryant
                ... For something phenomenally useful like this, $200 is peanuts!! I d like to get to where the kozane could have a per-unit cost of about 25 cents or less.
                Message 7 of 20 , Mar 11, 2003
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                  "Donald J. Luby" wrote:

                  >
                  > > I'm currently trying to find someone who can produce a punch that would
                  > > allow for the mass-production of kozane -- like the folks at Noble
                  > > Plastic
                  > > used to make their scales.
                  > >
                  > > If I can do that, I think we could do a lot by having people actually
                  > > have
                  > > access to good, functional kozane.
                  >
                  > That would be excellent! Please keep us informed as to your success.
                  > We thought we might have something for a while (one of the knights in
                  > the area had a contact at an injection-molding place, and would do hire
                  > work), but I think it feel through because of the initial costs
                  > involved (I think making the dies involved ran in the $200 range).
                  > Maybe when I see him next week, I'll ask - it may still be a
                  > possibility, and economically feasible if we have enough interest.
                  >

                  For something phenomenally useful like this, $200 is peanuts!! I'd like to
                  get to where the kozane could have a per-unit cost of about 25 cents or
                  less.

                  Effingham
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