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  • Ii Saburou
    ... I call just about anything I hear. Does this mean I sometimes call things too light? Yes, and I trust my opponent s honor to tell me otherwise. Does this
    Message 1 of 20 , Mar 3, 2003
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      On Mon, 3 Mar 2003, Ash Smith wrote:

      > Anyway, I currently tell a good/light shot by feeling the force and sting
      > through my armor (or feeling it where I have no armor :P ), and am worried
      > that I won't properly call others' shots with what looks like it is going to
      > be some massive armor hehe.
      >
      > Any thoughts on this matter?

      I call just about anything I hear. Does this mean I sometimes call things
      too light? Yes, and I trust my opponent's honor to tell me otherwise.
      Does this mean I sometimes don't hear or feel things--rarely, and I trust
      my opponent's honor to forgive such lapses.

      I have only once had a time where an opponent mentioned that I did not
      seem notice a good blow. I was stepping forward, hitting my opponent, hit
      his shield and was bounced off at the same time he hit me. The
      combination of noise and commotion was too much and his blow felt, to me,
      as though I had run into him or his shield, not his sword (and he was so
      quick, I thought his sword was elsewhere when it landed).

      Personally, I am of the mind that one should strive not to be hit at all,
      and so calling the lighter shots will force me to acquire more skill. I
      may be off in this thinking, but that's how I feel.

      Furthermore, I don't think pain should be a gauge. A good blow will give
      you momentum, and you should 'feel' it land, just not be hurt by it. That
      is, after all, the nature of armour.

      -Ii
    • Yama Kaminari no Date Saburou Yukiie <ka
      ... through my armor (or feeling it where I have no armor :P ), and am worried that I won t properly call others shots with what looks like it is going to be
      Message 2 of 20 , Mar 3, 2003
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        >Anyway, I currently tell a good/light shot by feeling the force and sting
        through my armor (or feeling it where I have no armor :P ), and am worried
        that I won't properly call others' shots with what looks like it is
        going to
        be some massive armor hehe.

        This is where your skill in combat will improve, because you will
        start seeing the enemy's weapon path subconciously, and it will figure
        in to the equation of "was that a good shot?" If the shot came in
        clean, and you did nothing to defend against it...that thud was
        probably good. Err on the side of 'giving' the opponent the shot, till
        you feel comfortable calling the shots you feel, or hear.
        Your awareness of where you were and where the opponent was during a
        shot will lead to a higher level of combat. After that, you will not
        be hit as often (unless you enjoy being hit...) and the problem is
        self rectifying.
        Many of us fight in heavy steel harnesses and suffer from the same
        "problem" , though I can't say I have a half inch of combined
        thickness of armor anywhere except the padding in my kabuto and menpo.

        Date Yukiie
        http://www.kabutographics.com
        kabuto@...
        Shi wa hei to de aru - all are equal in the grave
      • ELAINE KOOGLER
        Congratulations, Ii-dono! I m so very proud of you. This is certainly a well-deserved honor. I m also quite certain that Effingham is very proud as well!
        Message 3 of 20 , Mar 3, 2003
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          Congratulations, Ii-dono! I'm so very proud of you. This is certainly
          a well-deserved honor. I'm also quite certain that Effingham is very
          proud as well!

          Kiri



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          From: "daviem01 <ellen.m.davis@...>" <ellen.m.davis@...>
          Date: Sunday, March 2, 2003 10:04 pm
          Subject: [SCA-JML] Re: Seperate questions about armour

          > <span><p><span><p>
          >
          >
          > <tt>
          > > The current suit requires massive reworking, however. I hope
          > to be
          >
          > > fighting again, soon, but I then am thinking about doing a
          >
          > completely new
          >
          > > dou, just because the one I have right now is not good for
          > regular
          >
          > SCA
          >
          > > Combat armour.
          >
          > >
          >
          > > -Ii, who has too many projects right now.
          >
          >
          >
          > On a related note (and because he would never mention it himself)
          > I
          >
          > am pleased to announce that Ii-dono was awarded the Silver
          > Nautilus
          >
          > by His Atlantian Majesty Cuan yesterday at our Kingdom Arts and
          >
          > Sciences Festival.
          >
          >
          >
          > The Silver Nautilus is an award given for a single
          > "surpassingly
          >
          > excellent" achievement or project in the Arts and Sciences.
          > Ii-
          >
          > dono's particular achievement that caught His Majesty's eye was
          > his
          >
          > Persona Pentathlon entry, which included several examples of
          > Momoyama
          >
          > clothing (dobuku, kataginu kamishimo, and suo no kamishimo), a
          >
          > calligraphy sample, but in particular the above-mentioned armour,
          > an
          >
          > example of ryo-awase nimaido. The entire assemblage was
          >
          > declared "most fitting of a Japanese warrior" by His
          > Majesty.
          >
          >
          > Ei! Ei! Oooooh!
          >
          >
          >
          > -Aine
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        • Anthony J. Bryant
          ... General comment: Holy crap! That s .... um..... thick. I wouldn t use anything more than 3/16 for kozane, and part of me
          Message 4 of 20 , Mar 4, 2003
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            Ash Smith wrote:

            >
            > But my new armor , with the kozane overlap is going to be over 1/2" thick!
            > (1/4" ABS overlapped + thickness from lacing).
            >

            General comment:

            <Frank Barone> Holy crap! </Frank Barone>

            That's .... um..... thick. I wouldn't use anything more than 3/16 for kozane,
            and part of me actually prefers 1/8", given the overlap.

            Effingham
          • Anthony J. Bryant
            ... Brilliant!! Very, frikkin well done!!!! And while we re congratulating folks.... Did someone tell me our own Yayoi-monster Aine is recently in receipt of
            Message 5 of 20 , Mar 4, 2003
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              "daviem01 " wrote:

              >
              > On a related note (and because he would never mention it himself) I
              > am pleased to announce that Ii-dono was awarded the Silver Nautilus
              > by His Atlantian Majesty Cuan yesterday at our Kingdom Arts and
              > Sciences Festival.
              >

              Brilliant!!

              Very, frikkin' well done!!!!


              And while we're congratulating folks....

              Did someone tell me our own Yayoi-monster Aine is recently in receipt of an
              Award of Arms?

              Well done, both of you!!!


              Effingham
              Doing the happy peer dance...
            • Ash Smith
              Well when I was ordering my plastic I ask around and the general consensus was 1/4 ... perhaps I wasn t clear that I was going to be making kozane hehe. But
              Message 6 of 20 , Mar 4, 2003
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                Well when I was ordering my plastic I ask around and the general consensus
                was 1/4" ... perhaps I wasn't clear that I was going to be making kozane
                hehe.

                But it's too late now, it's already paid for and partially cut... perhaps I
                should stop while I don't have much of the kozane cut, and do Kiritsuke
                Zane?

                Would actually save me some plastic too... and instead of putting the strips
                of leather/etc, with the plastic I could actually heat and bend it up in
                those portions to zig-zag and (hopefully) do a bit better illusion.

                Ash


                ----- Original Message -----
                From: "Anthony J. Bryant" <ajbryant@...>
                To: <sca-jml@yahoogroups.com>
                Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 7:50 AM
                Subject: Re: [SCA-JML] Seperate questions about armour


                > General comment:
                >
                > <Frank Barone> Holy crap! </Frank Barone>
                >
                > That's .... um..... thick. I wouldn't use anything more than 3/16 for
                kozane,
                > and part of me actually prefers 1/8", given the overlap.
                >
                > Effingham
                >
              • Anthony J. Bryant
                ... That would be a difference. ... That s what I d use plastic of those dimensions for, yes... assuming it s flexible enough that it wouldn t shatter.
                Message 7 of 20 , Mar 5, 2003
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                  Ash Smith wrote:

                  > Well when I was ordering my plastic I ask around and the general consensus
                  > was 1/4" ... perhaps I wasn't clear that I was going to be making kozane
                  > hehe.
                  >

                  That would be a difference. <G>

                  >
                  > But it's too late now, it's already paid for and partially cut... perhaps I
                  > should stop while I don't have much of the kozane cut, and do Kiritsuke
                  > Zane?
                  >

                  That's what I'd use plastic of those dimensions for, yes... assuming it's
                  flexible enough that it wouldn't shatter. Remember that cutting down the ribs
                  for kiritsuke-zane would weaken the plastic, and if your plastic is the brittle
                  kind, it could shatter on you and ruin all that effort. If you can cut a lame
                  section and waffle it around a bit without it snapping, it should be safe for
                  kiritsuke-zane.



                  Effingham
                • jim e grunst
                  On Tue, 04 Mar 2003 14:27:57 -0500 Ash Smith ... The larger the piece, and the more curve to the piece, and also the more holes you have,
                  Message 8 of 20 , Mar 5, 2003
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                    On Tue, 04 Mar 2003 14:27:57 -0500 Ash Smith <kobushi@...>
                    writes:
                    > Well when I was ordering my plastic I ask around and the general
                    > consensus
                    > was 1/4" ... perhaps I wasn't clear that I was going to be making
                    > kozane
                    > hehe.
                    >

                    The larger the piece, and the more curve to the piece, and also the more
                    holes you have, the more likely you'll have broken pieces.
                    I'd go thicker.
                    Also, you are using ABS rather than Kydex?
                    ABS breaks more readily than Kydex, if I'm not mistaken.
                    Have you considered ALUMINUM?

                    Tochiro

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                  • Anthony J. Bryant
                    ... For something phenomenally useful like this, $200 is peanuts!! I d like to get to where the kozane could have a per-unit cost of about 25 cents or less.
                    Message 9 of 20 , Mar 11, 2003
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                      "Donald J. Luby" wrote:

                      >
                      > > I'm currently trying to find someone who can produce a punch that would
                      > > allow for the mass-production of kozane -- like the folks at Noble
                      > > Plastic
                      > > used to make their scales.
                      > >
                      > > If I can do that, I think we could do a lot by having people actually
                      > > have
                      > > access to good, functional kozane.
                      >
                      > That would be excellent! Please keep us informed as to your success.
                      > We thought we might have something for a while (one of the knights in
                      > the area had a contact at an injection-molding place, and would do hire
                      > work), but I think it feel through because of the initial costs
                      > involved (I think making the dies involved ran in the $200 range).
                      > Maybe when I see him next week, I'll ask - it may still be a
                      > possibility, and economically feasible if we have enough interest.
                      >

                      For something phenomenally useful like this, $200 is peanuts!! I'd like to
                      get to where the kozane could have a per-unit cost of about 25 cents or
                      less.

                      Effingham
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