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Re: [SCA-JML] Japanese personas..things on AA are getting snippy...

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  • Solveig
    Noble Cousin! Greetings from Solveig! Nobody is going to succeed in forcing non-Europeans out of the Society anytime within the next five to ten years. What
    Message 1 of 11 , Mar 3, 2003
      Noble Cousin!

      Greetings from Solveig! Nobody is going to succeed in forcing
      non-Europeans out of the Society anytime within the next five
      to ten years. What will continue to happen is that people will
      appoint themselves as ethno-purity police and intimidate more
      vulnurable individuals. Even some of the self-appointed guardians
      will make "exceptions" for people that they personally like.
      Hypocritical behavior? You bet.
      --

      Your Humble Servant
      Solveig Throndardottir
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    • Solveig
      Noble Cousin! Greetings from Solveig! ... Actually, they are trying. A number of them got onto the Corpora rewrite committee and wrote Western and Eruopean
      Message 2 of 11 , Mar 3, 2003
        Noble Cousin!

        Greetings from Solveig!

        >I'm too new to this to really answer, but I can say I
        >wish those guys would get a grip. The organization is
        >knee deep in Asian personas already so it's a little
        >too late for them to just hope they all go away.

        Actually, they are trying. A number of them got onto the Corpora rewrite
        committee and wrote "Western" and "Eruopean" into many places where they
        weren't. However, this sort of restrictive language has limited impact
        when there are important and in some cases legendary figures in the
        Society who research and recreate non-European stuff. I really doubt that
        you will see many people swatting Duke Carriadoc of the Bow for doing
        North African stuff. What you will see people do is swat more vulnerable
        people. For example. Kingdoms with non-open crown lists may well see
        non Western-Eruopeans having a hard time getting into crown tournament.
        Isn't chivalry great?
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        Solveig Throndardottir
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      • Ii Saburou
        ... I have noticed, however, that it seems to be a very vocal minority, encouraged by the forum s creator, that feel this way. This is indicative of the type
        Message 3 of 11 , Mar 3, 2003
          On Mon, 3 Mar 2003, Aimee <rjb@...> wrote:

          > Has anyone seen the armour archive plastic threads? It seems that
          > there are a fair number of people who just wish us non european
          > personas would just go away, or would like to chuck us out themselves,
          > going so far as to refuse to fight anyone whose persona they don't
          > approve of.

          I have noticed, however, that it seems to be a very vocal minority,
          encouraged by the forum's creator, that feel this way. This is indicative
          of the type of attitude that has caused at least one other friend of mine
          (not a Japanese persona, btw) to leave that forum.

          > So if these people were ever to get their way, and we were no longer
          > allowed to play Japanese, or anything else non european for that
          > matter, would you stay in the SCA and knuckle under with a european
          > persona, or would you leave the group?

          Well, I have a European persona, so it isn't that hard for me. But I have
          MPD (Multiple Persona Disorder), so I'm not typical.

          On the other hand, I really would like to start a subgroup out here in the
          DC area that is just focused on Asian history. I don't expect it to be
          anything big, and I figure it will be something similar to a household as
          a political organization in the SCA, but I want to also get away from the
          SCA in certain areas. I also figure that if the SCA ever decides to kick
          out non-European personae, then I'll have a place to go and do my hobby.

          But it won't be on the scale of the SCA--Asian history just isn't popular
          enough. I would probably try for a smaller, more concentrated group that
          gave demos and attempted to do actual re-enactments. Then again, with the
          Cherry Blossom Festival and the like, I think there is more of a venue for
          that here than most other places.

          -Ii
        • Yama Kaminari no Date Saburou Yukiie <ka
          ... -I personally would stand in the middle of them with my armor on and my stick in hand. They would have to stay in hold untill you left the eric or field.
          Message 4 of 11 , Mar 3, 2003
            >...would you stay in the SCA and knuckle under with a european
            > persona, or would you leave the group?

            -I personally would stand in the middle of them with my armor on and
            my stick in hand. They would have to stay in hold untill you left the
            eric or field. If they try to forcibly eject you, you get to
            fight...and if they don't, you still get to fight... ;-0
            Date

            <wink>After this mess, a new idea will have to be explored...AAA -
            Armor Archive Anon - a twelve step program for removing undesirable
            personas and materials... </wink>
            Shi wa hei to de aru - all are equal in the recycle center </nested wink>
          • ELAINE KOOGLER
            To be honest, I seriously doubt that they will get their way. It s been tried before, with a notable lack of success (note that we re still here!!!). I don t
            Message 5 of 11 , Mar 3, 2003
              To be honest, I seriously doubt that they will get their way. It's
              been tried before, with a notable lack of success (note that we're
              still here!!!). I don't know who these people are, but I can tell you
              that getting rid of all non-European personas would involve kicking out
              several Dukes, most notably Duke Cariadoc of the Bow...one of the early
              main forces in the SCA (first King of the East at a Pennsic...actually,
              as King of the Middle, declared war on himself!!...or was it the other
              way 'round.....)

              So no, it won't happen. The SCA would lose 'way too much to even try
              this...as I said above, several Dukes, the Dark Horde, Moritu Horde,
              Silver Horde and several notable Japanese clans, not to mention all of
              those ME folks!

              Kiri



              ----- Original Message -----
              From: "Aimee <rjb@...>" <rjb@...>
              Date: Monday, March 3, 2003 0:01 am
              Subject: [SCA-JML] Japanese personas..things on AA are getting snippy...

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              > <tt>
              > Has anyone seen the armour archive plastic threads? It seems that
              >
              > there are a fair number of people who just wish us non european
              >
              > personas would just go away, or would like to chuck us out
              > themselves,
              >
              > going so far as to refuse to fight anyone whose persona they don't
              >
              > approve of.
              >
              >
              >
              > So if these people were ever to get their way, and we were no
              > longer
              >
              > allowed to play Japanese, or anything else non european for that
              >
              > matter, would you stay in the SCA and knuckle under with a
              > european
              >
              > persona, or would you leave the group?
              >
              >
              >
              > I would leave, myself. If continuing to play meant that I would be
              >
              > forced to adapt a persona that means nothing to me, and on top of
              >
              > that, I now had to go out and get all new garb, that I was not
              > even
              >
              > really interested in, I would say to hell with it and leave.
              >
              > How about you?
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            • Solveig
              Noble Cousin! Greetings from Solveig! Living history demonstrations and encampments are a better choice than re-enactments. You tend to have to have a LOT of
              Message 6 of 11 , Mar 3, 2003
                Noble Cousin!

                Greetings from Solveig! Living history demonstrations and encampments are
                a better choice than re-enactments. You tend to have to have a LOT of people
                to do re-enactments of anything particularly well known and everyone has to
                stick to a pretty rigid script.

                Your Humble Servant
                Solveig Throndardottir
                Amateur Scholar
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                Your Humble Servant
                Solveig Throndardottir
                Amateur Scholar

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