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  • Ash Smith
    I was looking through Effingham s book on 200-1500 Japanese armor and I noticed many armors have a gold(ish?) trim on them.. I was thinking perhaps this could
    Message 1 of 20 , Feb 25, 2003
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      I was looking through Effingham's book on 200-1500 Japanese armor and I
      noticed many armors have a gold(ish?) trim on them.. I was thinking perhaps
      this could be done for SCA armor with bronze or maybe brass plate bent onto
      it then (with tiny rivets) riveted on. Any other ideas/recomendations/etc?

      For anyone else who has the book, I really like the armor worn by the man on
      horseback on the cover. So that's kind of what I'm shooting for.

      I would be doing this on a maru do with ABS kozane, etc.

      Thanks,
      Ash
    • Ii Saburou
      ... I used brass, riveted on (not nearly as much as I should have). -Ii
      Message 2 of 20 , Feb 25, 2003
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        On Tue, 25 Feb 2003, Ash Smith wrote:

        > I was looking through Effingham's book on 200-1500 Japanese armor and I
        > noticed many armors have a gold(ish?) trim on them.. I was thinking perhaps
        > this could be done for SCA armor with bronze or maybe brass plate bent onto
        > it then (with tiny rivets) riveted on. Any other ideas/recomendations/etc?

        I used brass, riveted on (not nearly as much as I should have).

        -Ii
      • Ash Smith
        ... perhaps ... onto ... ideas/recomendations/etc? ... What type of Brass, and what size did you use? How dent resistant has it been for you? Thanks, Ash
        Message 3 of 20 , Feb 28, 2003
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          > > I was looking through Effingham's book on 200-1500 Japanese armor and I
          > > noticed many armors have a gold(ish?) trim on them.. I was thinking
          perhaps
          > > this could be done for SCA armor with bronze or maybe brass plate bent
          onto
          > > it then (with tiny rivets) riveted on. Any other
          ideas/recomendations/etc?
          >
          > I used brass, riveted on (not nearly as much as I should have).
          >
          > -Ii

          What type of Brass, and what size did you use? How "dent resistant" has it
          been for you?
          Thanks,
          Ash
        • sean ibanez
          Not that I was asked, but :) ...Speaking from a bit of experience in terms of casting bronze (actually, its silica brass, stronger), you d have to make the
          Message 4 of 20 , Feb 28, 2003
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            Not that I was asked, but :) ...Speaking from a bit of experience in terms of casting bronze (actually, its silica brass, stronger), you'd have to make the parts pretty thick (I.E: 1/4 inch) to be dent resistant--especially when taking a rattan sword full impact. The good thing is, the thinner the peice, the easier it is to bend back into shape. But the support underneath should help.
            Irobe no Saburo Yoriie.....
            Ash Smith <kobushi@...> wrote:> > I was looking through Effingham's book on 200-1500 Japanese armor and I
            > > noticed many armors have a gold(ish?) trim on them.. I was thinking
            perhaps
            > > this could be done for SCA armor with bronze or maybe brass plate bent
            onto
            > > it then (with tiny rivets) riveted on. Any other
            ideas/recomendations/etc?
            >
            > I used brass, riveted on (not nearly as much as I should have).
            >
            > -Ii

            What type of Brass, and what size did you use? How "dent resistant" has it
            been for you?
            Thanks,
            Ash


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          • Ii Saburou
            ... I recall it was really light--strips that you could pick up in the hardware store and tin snips could cut and shape for me. The brass has proven fairly
            Message 5 of 20 , Mar 2, 2003
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              On Fri, 28 Feb 2003, Ash Smith wrote:

              > What type of Brass, and what size did you use? How "dent resistant" has it
              > been for you?
              > Thanks,
              > Ash

              I recall it was really light--strips that you could pick up in the
              hardware store and tin snips could cut and shape for me. The brass has
              proven fairly dent resistant where it is riveted on, but the 18 ga steel
              has not. Then again, I am in Atlantia and have had some pretty hard blows
              thrown against the thing (NOTE: even though it dented, I only felt a bit
              of movement and herd the 'clang' to know it was good--I didn't have to
              judge any but a few of the tip shots on the edges of the arm and leg
              armour to tell that anything was 'good')

              The current suit requires massive reworking, however. I hope to be
              fighting again, soon, but I then am thinking about doing a completely new
              dou, just because the one I have right now is not good for regular SCA
              Combat armour.

              I'm really starting to think, especially with the new rule that a Japanese
              persona should probably consider:

              First armour: Do it out of heavy stainless steel. Use large, solid
              plates and hold them together with STRONG hinges, or else use a converted
              European breastplate. Sode and kusazuri should be metal, with minimum
              lacing (sugake odoshi). Make fabric kote (get a nice, small print cotton
              over some padded material) and haidate over yoroi hitatare and hakama to
              hide any necessary bits (eg cowters). Very simple neck protection.

              Second armour: Do whatever you want, and try to make it look as best you
              can like an actual suit of armour.

              The reason I'm thinking this way is because the first armour needs to be
              something that can take a LOT of punishment, but should still look good on
              the field. The second armour is something that you want to make to look
              good in, and will probably only bring out once in a while. Third and
              fourth armourers and you are probably ready to start your own shop ;)

              If anyone has a copy of "Samurai: An Illustrated History" by Mitsuo Kure,
              I think that what that samurai has on (and is wearing improperly, if you
              look at the sode) would probably be better for SCA purposes than what most
              of us WANT to wear.

              -Ii, who has too many projects right now.
            • daviem01 <ellen.m.davis@att.net>
              ... completely new ... SCA ... On a related note (and because he would never mention it himself) I am pleased to announce that Ii-dono was awarded the Silver
              Message 6 of 20 , Mar 2, 2003
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                > The current suit requires massive reworking, however. I hope to be
                > fighting again, soon, but I then am thinking about doing a
                completely new
                > dou, just because the one I have right now is not good for regular
                SCA
                > Combat armour.
                >
                > -Ii, who has too many projects right now.

                On a related note (and because he would never mention it himself) I
                am pleased to announce that Ii-dono was awarded the Silver Nautilus
                by His Atlantian Majesty Cuan yesterday at our Kingdom Arts and
                Sciences Festival.

                The Silver Nautilus is an award given for a single "surpassingly
                excellent" achievement or project in the Arts and Sciences. Ii-
                dono's particular achievement that caught His Majesty's eye was his
                Persona Pentathlon entry, which included several examples of Momoyama
                clothing (dobuku, kataginu kamishimo, and suo no kamishimo), a
                calligraphy sample, but in particular the above-mentioned armour, an
                example of ryo-awase nimaido. The entire assemblage was
                declared "most fitting of a Japanese warrior" by His Majesty.

                Ei! Ei! Oooooh!

                -Aine
              • Ash Smith
                After actually cutting and working with some of my kozane today, I am a little concerned that I will not be able to readily feel shots through my armor.
                Message 7 of 20 , Mar 2, 2003
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                  After actually cutting and working with some of my kozane today, I am a
                  little concerned that I will not be able to readily feel shots through my
                  armor.

                  Currently I wear minimal armor, plus a chest and back plate... chest is a
                  single layer of black barrel (one piece), and the back is leather squares
                  "sewn" together beside one an other (no overlap) then it has a thin packing
                  quilt taped inside.
                  (Then covered by a tabard so that it doesn't look so horrible)

                  But my new armor , with the kozane overlap is going to be over 1/2" thick!
                  (1/4" ABS overlapped + thickness from lacing).

                  Anyway, I currently tell a good/light shot by feeling the force and sting
                  through my armor (or feeling it where I have no armor :P ), and am worried
                  that I won't properly call others' shots with what looks like it is going to
                  be some massive armor hehe.

                  Any thoughts on this matter?

                  Thanks,
                  Ash

                  PS: Thanks for the info on Brass

                  > I recall it was really light--strips that you could pick up in the
                  > hardware store and tin snips could cut and shape for me. The brass has
                  > proven fairly dent resistant where it is riveted on, but the 18 ga steel
                  > has not. Then again, I am in Atlantia and have had some pretty hard blows
                  > thrown against the thing (NOTE: even though it dented, I only felt a bit
                  > of movement and herd the 'clang' to know it was good--I didn't have to
                  > judge any but a few of the tip shots on the edges of the arm and leg
                  > armour to tell that anything was 'good')

                  > -Ii, who has too many projects right now.
                • Ash Smith
                  Excellent! Congrats. Ash
                  Message 8 of 20 , Mar 2, 2003
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                    Excellent! Congrats.

                    Ash

                    > > The current suit requires massive reworking, however. I hope to be
                    > > fighting again, soon, but I then am thinking about doing a
                    > completely new
                    > > dou, just because the one I have right now is not good for regular
                    > SCA
                    > > Combat armour.
                    > >
                    > > -Ii, who has too many projects right now.
                    >
                    > On a related note (and because he would never mention it himself) I
                    > am pleased to announce that Ii-dono was awarded the Silver Nautilus
                    > by His Atlantian Majesty Cuan yesterday at our Kingdom Arts and
                    > Sciences Festival.
                    >
                    > The Silver Nautilus is an award given for a single "surpassingly
                    > excellent" achievement or project in the Arts and Sciences. Ii-
                    > dono's particular achievement that caught His Majesty's eye was his
                    > Persona Pentathlon entry, which included several examples of Momoyama
                    > clothing (dobuku, kataginu kamishimo, and suo no kamishimo), a
                    > calligraphy sample, but in particular the above-mentioned armour, an
                    > example of ryo-awase nimaido. The entire assemblage was
                    > declared "most fitting of a Japanese warrior" by His Majesty.
                    >
                    > Ei! Ei! Oooooh!
                    >
                    > -Aine

                    >
                  • Donald J. Luby
                    ... First off, regardless of whether it s a true issue or not, it s always good to see such concern.` ... I used to wear yoroi of one piece of barrel plastic
                    Message 9 of 20 , Mar 2, 2003
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                      On Monday, March 3, 2003, at 12:12 AM, Ash Smith wrote:

                      > After actually cutting and working with some of my kozane today, I am
                      > a little concerned that I will not be able to readily feel shots
                      > through my armor.

                      First off, regardless of whether it's a true issue or not, it's always
                      good to see such concern.`

                      > Currently I wear minimal armor, plus a chest and back plate... chest
                      > is a single layer of black barrel (one piece), and the back is leather
                      > squares "sewn" together beside one an other (no overlap) then it has a
                      > thin packing quilt taped inside.
                      > (Then covered by a tabard so that it doesn't look so horrible)
                      >
                      > But my new armor , with the kozane overlap is going to be over 1/2"
                      > thick! (1/4" ABS overlapped + thickness from lacing).

                      I used to wear yoroi of one piece of barrel plastic for each major
                      plate (breast, back, sides) with some kusizuri hanging off, and
                      large-ish sode - not too ugly, very functional. I switched (at least
                      for events) to 3/8" ABS about 6 months ago, with double thickness where
                      the banding overlaps (and doubly so where the two side plates overlap),
                      with lots more lacing. While it's a bit thicker, the change has never
                      presented me with that much of an issue.

                      > Anyway, I currently tell a good/light shot by feeling the force and
                      > sting through my armor (or feeling it where I have no armor :P ), and
                      > am worried that I won't properly call others' shots with what looks
                      > like it is going to be some massive armor hehe.

                      I usually take any body shots that hit clean and square, and appeared
                      to have been thrown with reasonable force and technique, so the only
                      shots that I don't take either glance off, don't really reach me (usu.
                      because one or both of us are moving) or are just thrown badly with no
                      force behind them.

                      > Any thoughts on this matter?

                      At your first few practices (and even events) in your new armor, tell
                      your opponents "I've just switched style and protectiveness of armor;
                      if you think I'm not taking shots like I should, please let me know, so
                      I can gauge them better in my new harness". This will cause your
                      opponents to think that you're not a rhino, and more importantly, that
                      you're trying to actively not become a rhino; most people will help you
                      in this as much as possible. And, with time, you'll get a feel for
                      what your old calibration was, w/t your new harness.

                      > Thanks,
                      > Ash




                      Sir Koredono

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                      Koredono, KSCA
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                    • Donald J. Luby
                      ... First off, regardless of whether it s a true issue or not, it s always good to see such concern.` ... I used to wear yoroi of one piece of barrel plastic
                      Message 10 of 20 , Mar 2, 2003
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                        On Monday, March 3, 2003, at 12:12 AM, Ash Smith wrote:

                        > After actually cutting and working with some of my kozane today, I am
                        > a little concerned that I will not be able to readily feel shots
                        > through my armor.

                        First off, regardless of whether it's a true issue or not, it's always
                        good to see such concern.`

                        > Currently I wear minimal armor, plus a chest and back plate... chest
                        > is a single layer of black barrel (one piece), and the back is leather
                        > squares "sewn" together beside one an other (no overlap) then it has a
                        > thin packing quilt taped inside.
                        > (Then covered by a tabard so that it doesn't look so horrible)
                        >
                        > But my new armor , with the kozane overlap is going to be over 1/2"
                        > thick! (1/4" ABS overlapped + thickness from lacing).

                        I used to wear yoroi of one piece of barrel plastic for each major
                        plate (breast, back, sides) with some kusizuri hanging off, and
                        large-ish sode - not too ugly, very functional. I switched (at least
                        for events) to 3/8" ABS about 6 months ago, with double thickness where
                        the banding overlaps (and doubly so where the two side plates overlap),
                        with lots more lacing. While it's a bit thicker, the change has never
                        presented me with that much of an issue.

                        > Anyway, I currently tell a good/light shot by feeling the force and
                        > sting through my armor (or feeling it where I have no armor :P ), and
                        > am worried that I won't properly call others' shots with what looks
                        > like it is going to be some massive armor hehe.

                        I usually take any body shots that hit clean and square, and appeared
                        to have been thrown with reasonable force and technique, so the only
                        shots that I don't take either glance off, don't really reach me (usu.
                        because one or both of us are moving) or are just thrown badly with no
                        force behind them.

                        > Any thoughts on this matter?

                        At your first few practices (and even events) in your new armor, tell
                        your opponents "I've just switched style and protectiveness of armor;
                        if you think I'm not taking shots like I should, please let me know, so
                        I can gauge them better in my new harness". This will cause your
                        opponents to think that you're not a rhino, and more importantly, that
                        you're trying to actively not become a rhino; most people will help you
                        in this as much as possible. And, with time, you'll get a feel for
                        what your old calibration was, w/t your new harness.

                        > Thanks,
                        > Ash




                        Sir Koredono

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                        -------
                        Don Luby Magariki Katsuichi no
                        Koredono, KSCA
                        djl@...
                        Yama-kaminari-ryu
                        Pittsburgh, PA Debatable Lands,
                        AEthelmearc
                      • Solveig
                        Noble Cousin! Greetings from Solveig! ... Practice. It s your responsiblity to learn to reliably recognize good shots. -- Your Humble Servant Solveig
                        Message 11 of 20 , Mar 3, 2003
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                          Noble Cousin!

                          Greetings from Solveig!

                          >Any thoughts on this matter?

                          Practice. It's your responsiblity to learn to reliably recognize good shots.
                          --

                          Your Humble Servant
                          Solveig Throndardottir
                          Amateur Scholar

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                        • Ii Saburou
                          ... I call just about anything I hear. Does this mean I sometimes call things too light? Yes, and I trust my opponent s honor to tell me otherwise. Does this
                          Message 12 of 20 , Mar 3, 2003
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                            On Mon, 3 Mar 2003, Ash Smith wrote:

                            > Anyway, I currently tell a good/light shot by feeling the force and sting
                            > through my armor (or feeling it where I have no armor :P ), and am worried
                            > that I won't properly call others' shots with what looks like it is going to
                            > be some massive armor hehe.
                            >
                            > Any thoughts on this matter?

                            I call just about anything I hear. Does this mean I sometimes call things
                            too light? Yes, and I trust my opponent's honor to tell me otherwise.
                            Does this mean I sometimes don't hear or feel things--rarely, and I trust
                            my opponent's honor to forgive such lapses.

                            I have only once had a time where an opponent mentioned that I did not
                            seem notice a good blow. I was stepping forward, hitting my opponent, hit
                            his shield and was bounced off at the same time he hit me. The
                            combination of noise and commotion was too much and his blow felt, to me,
                            as though I had run into him or his shield, not his sword (and he was so
                            quick, I thought his sword was elsewhere when it landed).

                            Personally, I am of the mind that one should strive not to be hit at all,
                            and so calling the lighter shots will force me to acquire more skill. I
                            may be off in this thinking, but that's how I feel.

                            Furthermore, I don't think pain should be a gauge. A good blow will give
                            you momentum, and you should 'feel' it land, just not be hurt by it. That
                            is, after all, the nature of armour.

                            -Ii
                          • Yama Kaminari no Date Saburou Yukiie <ka
                            ... through my armor (or feeling it where I have no armor :P ), and am worried that I won t properly call others shots with what looks like it is going to be
                            Message 13 of 20 , Mar 3, 2003
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                              >Anyway, I currently tell a good/light shot by feeling the force and sting
                              through my armor (or feeling it where I have no armor :P ), and am worried
                              that I won't properly call others' shots with what looks like it is
                              going to
                              be some massive armor hehe.

                              This is where your skill in combat will improve, because you will
                              start seeing the enemy's weapon path subconciously, and it will figure
                              in to the equation of "was that a good shot?" If the shot came in
                              clean, and you did nothing to defend against it...that thud was
                              probably good. Err on the side of 'giving' the opponent the shot, till
                              you feel comfortable calling the shots you feel, or hear.
                              Your awareness of where you were and where the opponent was during a
                              shot will lead to a higher level of combat. After that, you will not
                              be hit as often (unless you enjoy being hit...) and the problem is
                              self rectifying.
                              Many of us fight in heavy steel harnesses and suffer from the same
                              "problem" , though I can't say I have a half inch of combined
                              thickness of armor anywhere except the padding in my kabuto and menpo.

                              Date Yukiie
                              http://www.kabutographics.com
                              kabuto@...
                              Shi wa hei to de aru - all are equal in the grave
                            • ELAINE KOOGLER
                              Congratulations, Ii-dono! I m so very proud of you. This is certainly a well-deserved honor. I m also quite certain that Effingham is very proud as well!
                              Message 14 of 20 , Mar 3, 2003
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                                Congratulations, Ii-dono! I'm so very proud of you. This is certainly
                                a well-deserved honor. I'm also quite certain that Effingham is very
                                proud as well!

                                Kiri



                                ----- Original Message -----
                                From: "daviem01 <ellen.m.davis@...>" <ellen.m.davis@...>
                                Date: Sunday, March 2, 2003 10:04 pm
                                Subject: [SCA-JML] Re: Seperate questions about armour

                                > <span><p><span><p>
                                >
                                >
                                > <tt>
                                > > The current suit requires massive reworking, however. I hope
                                > to be
                                >
                                > > fighting again, soon, but I then am thinking about doing a
                                >
                                > completely new
                                >
                                > > dou, just because the one I have right now is not good for
                                > regular
                                >
                                > SCA
                                >
                                > > Combat armour.
                                >
                                > >
                                >
                                > > -Ii, who has too many projects right now.
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > On a related note (and because he would never mention it himself)
                                > I
                                >
                                > am pleased to announce that Ii-dono was awarded the Silver
                                > Nautilus
                                >
                                > by His Atlantian Majesty Cuan yesterday at our Kingdom Arts and
                                >
                                > Sciences Festival.
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > The Silver Nautilus is an award given for a single
                                > "surpassingly
                                >
                                > excellent" achievement or project in the Arts and Sciences.
                                > Ii-
                                >
                                > dono's particular achievement that caught His Majesty's eye was
                                > his
                                >
                                > Persona Pentathlon entry, which included several examples of
                                > Momoyama
                                >
                                > clothing (dobuku, kataginu kamishimo, and suo no kamishimo), a
                                >
                                > calligraphy sample, but in particular the above-mentioned armour,
                                > an
                                >
                                > example of ryo-awase nimaido. The entire assemblage was
                                >
                                > declared "most fitting of a Japanese warrior" by His
                                > Majesty.
                                >
                                >
                                > Ei! Ei! Oooooh!
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > -Aine
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > </tt>
                                >
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                              • Anthony J. Bryant
                                ... General comment: Holy crap! That s .... um..... thick. I wouldn t use anything more than 3/16 for kozane, and part of me
                                Message 15 of 20 , Mar 4, 2003
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                                  Ash Smith wrote:

                                  >
                                  > But my new armor , with the kozane overlap is going to be over 1/2" thick!
                                  > (1/4" ABS overlapped + thickness from lacing).
                                  >

                                  General comment:

                                  <Frank Barone> Holy crap! </Frank Barone>

                                  That's .... um..... thick. I wouldn't use anything more than 3/16 for kozane,
                                  and part of me actually prefers 1/8", given the overlap.

                                  Effingham
                                • Anthony J. Bryant
                                  ... Brilliant!! Very, frikkin well done!!!! And while we re congratulating folks.... Did someone tell me our own Yayoi-monster Aine is recently in receipt of
                                  Message 16 of 20 , Mar 4, 2003
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                                    "daviem01 " wrote:

                                    >
                                    > On a related note (and because he would never mention it himself) I
                                    > am pleased to announce that Ii-dono was awarded the Silver Nautilus
                                    > by His Atlantian Majesty Cuan yesterday at our Kingdom Arts and
                                    > Sciences Festival.
                                    >

                                    Brilliant!!

                                    Very, frikkin' well done!!!!


                                    And while we're congratulating folks....

                                    Did someone tell me our own Yayoi-monster Aine is recently in receipt of an
                                    Award of Arms?

                                    Well done, both of you!!!


                                    Effingham
                                    Doing the happy peer dance...
                                  • Ash Smith
                                    Well when I was ordering my plastic I ask around and the general consensus was 1/4 ... perhaps I wasn t clear that I was going to be making kozane hehe. But
                                    Message 17 of 20 , Mar 4, 2003
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                                      Well when I was ordering my plastic I ask around and the general consensus
                                      was 1/4" ... perhaps I wasn't clear that I was going to be making kozane
                                      hehe.

                                      But it's too late now, it's already paid for and partially cut... perhaps I
                                      should stop while I don't have much of the kozane cut, and do Kiritsuke
                                      Zane?

                                      Would actually save me some plastic too... and instead of putting the strips
                                      of leather/etc, with the plastic I could actually heat and bend it up in
                                      those portions to zig-zag and (hopefully) do a bit better illusion.

                                      Ash


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                                      From: "Anthony J. Bryant" <ajbryant@...>
                                      To: <sca-jml@yahoogroups.com>
                                      Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 7:50 AM
                                      Subject: Re: [SCA-JML] Seperate questions about armour


                                      > General comment:
                                      >
                                      > <Frank Barone> Holy crap! </Frank Barone>
                                      >
                                      > That's .... um..... thick. I wouldn't use anything more than 3/16 for
                                      kozane,
                                      > and part of me actually prefers 1/8", given the overlap.
                                      >
                                      > Effingham
                                      >
                                    • Anthony J. Bryant
                                      ... That would be a difference. ... That s what I d use plastic of those dimensions for, yes... assuming it s flexible enough that it wouldn t shatter.
                                      Message 18 of 20 , Mar 5, 2003
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                                        Ash Smith wrote:

                                        > Well when I was ordering my plastic I ask around and the general consensus
                                        > was 1/4" ... perhaps I wasn't clear that I was going to be making kozane
                                        > hehe.
                                        >

                                        That would be a difference. <G>

                                        >
                                        > But it's too late now, it's already paid for and partially cut... perhaps I
                                        > should stop while I don't have much of the kozane cut, and do Kiritsuke
                                        > Zane?
                                        >

                                        That's what I'd use plastic of those dimensions for, yes... assuming it's
                                        flexible enough that it wouldn't shatter. Remember that cutting down the ribs
                                        for kiritsuke-zane would weaken the plastic, and if your plastic is the brittle
                                        kind, it could shatter on you and ruin all that effort. If you can cut a lame
                                        section and waffle it around a bit without it snapping, it should be safe for
                                        kiritsuke-zane.



                                        Effingham
                                      • jim e grunst
                                        On Tue, 04 Mar 2003 14:27:57 -0500 Ash Smith ... The larger the piece, and the more curve to the piece, and also the more holes you have,
                                        Message 19 of 20 , Mar 5, 2003
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                                          On Tue, 04 Mar 2003 14:27:57 -0500 Ash Smith <kobushi@...>
                                          writes:
                                          > Well when I was ordering my plastic I ask around and the general
                                          > consensus
                                          > was 1/4" ... perhaps I wasn't clear that I was going to be making
                                          > kozane
                                          > hehe.
                                          >

                                          The larger the piece, and the more curve to the piece, and also the more
                                          holes you have, the more likely you'll have broken pieces.
                                          I'd go thicker.
                                          Also, you are using ABS rather than Kydex?
                                          ABS breaks more readily than Kydex, if I'm not mistaken.
                                          Have you considered ALUMINUM?

                                          Tochiro

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                                        • Anthony J. Bryant
                                          ... For something phenomenally useful like this, $200 is peanuts!! I d like to get to where the kozane could have a per-unit cost of about 25 cents or less.
                                          Message 20 of 20 , Mar 11, 2003
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                                            "Donald J. Luby" wrote:

                                            >
                                            > > I'm currently trying to find someone who can produce a punch that would
                                            > > allow for the mass-production of kozane -- like the folks at Noble
                                            > > Plastic
                                            > > used to make their scales.
                                            > >
                                            > > If I can do that, I think we could do a lot by having people actually
                                            > > have
                                            > > access to good, functional kozane.
                                            >
                                            > That would be excellent! Please keep us informed as to your success.
                                            > We thought we might have something for a while (one of the knights in
                                            > the area had a contact at an injection-molding place, and would do hire
                                            > work), but I think it feel through because of the initial costs
                                            > involved (I think making the dies involved ran in the $200 range).
                                            > Maybe when I see him next week, I'll ask - it may still be a
                                            > possibility, and economically feasible if we have enough interest.
                                            >

                                            For something phenomenally useful like this, $200 is peanuts!! I'd like to
                                            get to where the kozane could have a per-unit cost of about 25 cents or
                                            less.

                                            Effingham
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