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  • Mokurai
    The only source I have seen is the Bugei Everything Samurai catalog. http://www.bugei.com/ They carry (last I checked) the incense, the mica plates and other
    Message 1 of 18 , Mar 27, 2002
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      The only source I have seen is the Bugei "Everything Samurai" catalog.

      http://www.bugei.com/

      They carry (last I checked) the incense, the mica plates and other
      implements, but I don't know if the prices are good or not.

      - mokurai




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      From: sanazami [mailto:wcbooth@...]
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      Subject: [SCA-JML] Koh



      Greetings, tomodachi!

      just a small question, and a request...

      first, the question... does anyone have any good sources for Koh
      (japanese incense) or ingredients? i'm in canada, and from what i've
      seen, it's almost Cost prohibitive... I'm asking, becasue i've been
      thinking of getting into it...

      now, the request...

      after finaly getting some time( being un-eployed kinda helps on
      that) and a copy of frontpage, i am updating the Toshokan, from the
      ground up... if you have anything of interest E.g. Photos from
      pennsic, articles, recipes of your favorite dishes, ect, please feel
      free to send them to me, Zipped, at Sanazami@...

      thank you again...

      Nobu




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    • Anthony J. Bryant
      ... http://www.shoyeido.com/ They re a good supplier of general ko-do stuff. What you get, though, is Japanese incense. It s hard to find *real* ko-do
      Message 2 of 18 , Mar 27, 2002
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        sanazami wrote:

        > just a small question, and a request...
        >
        > first, the question... does anyone have any good sources for Koh
        > (japanese incense) or ingredients? i'm in canada, and from what i've
        > seen, it's almost Cost prohibitive... I'm asking, becasue i've been
        > thinking of getting into it...
        >

        http://www.shoyeido.com/

        They're a good supplier of general ko-do stuff. What you get, though, is
        Japanese incense. It's hard to find *real* ko-do supplies, as the stuff is
        generally just very expensive. There are many, many stores in Kyoto where
        you can get it, though. Most notably places along Gion-dori, which is a
        center of "old Heian culture."

        When I was last there, I bought a gift for someone that was a sample set
        that included a small brazier, a bag of ash, a mica sheet, tweezers,
        charcoal, and a few small envelopes of six or seven scents that should last
        about three hours all together, and it cost nearly $100. At some of the
        better shops, you can buy small packets with a half a gram or so of the
        various traditional incense thingies, some of which cost well over a hundred
        smackers for one packet. This is a serious culture/art thingie, and you need
        deep pockets to really get into it.

        Most of what you get today is modern incense with cute names like "temple
        moss" which invoke a feel of Japan (okay, yes, I like Shoyeido's
        "Kyo-nishiki [Kyoto Autumn Leaves]") but these aren't the traditional
        "flavors" of incense. It's like the places that sell painted clamshells with
        scenes from Tale of Genji and pretend it's the traditional shell sets for
        the Kai Awase game -- sometimes they don't even know it's not the real
        thing, and sometimes they just don't care because people buy it anyway.

        Anyway, I wouldn't turn up my nose at modern stick or cone incense in Japan
        -- the companies making them do damn good work -- but I just remind myself
        that it's a pale shadow of a real ko-do thingie.

        >

        Effingham
      • Irene Madhaidin
        Greetings to the list and to Nobu, I am new to this list and was browsing the archives when I came across this question below about Koh. Did you ever get what
        Message 3 of 18 , May 17, 2003
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          Greetings to the list and to Nobu,

          I am new to this list and was browsing the archives when I came
          across this question below about Koh. Did you ever get what you
          needed? Are you still interested in koh?

          I am new to SCA and very new to Japanese persona. But I have have
          been researching and experimenting with Koh for several months now.

          If you are still interested in koh, I am planning on providing an
          introduction to it in both the Atlantian University, as well as a
          class at Pennsic, this year. As part of these classes, I plan to put
          together a limited number of sampler sets of some of the more
          interesting incense that I have found, and that are still affordable
          at the entry level (top quality incense costs more per gram than
          gold!). If you are not going to be going to either of these events
          and are still interested in it, I always love to discuss it.

          --- In sca-jml@yahoogroups.com, "sanazami" <wcbooth@h...> wrote:
          >
          > Greetings, tomodachi!
          >
          > just a small question, and a request...
          >
          > first, the question... does anyone have any good sources for Koh
          > (japanese incense) or ingredients? i'm in canada, and from what
          i've
          > seen, it's almost Cost prohibitive... I'm asking, becasue i've been
          > thinking of getting into it...
          >
          > now, the request...
          >
          > after finaly getting some time( being un-eployed kinda helps on
          > that) and a copy of frontpage, i am updating the Toshokan, from the
          > ground up... if you have anything of interest E.g. Photos from
          > pennsic, articles, recipes of your favorite dishes, ect, please
          feel
          > free to send them to me, Zipped, at Sanazami@h...
          >
          > thank you again...
          >
          > Nobu
        • Solveig
          Noble Cousin! Greetings from Solveig! ... Out of curiosity, which ryuuha have you studied? When I studied koudou we boiled of volitile esters from a single
          Message 4 of 18 , May 18, 2003
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            Noble Cousin!

            Greetings from Solveig!

            >If you are still interested in koh, I am planning on providing an
            >introduction to it in both the Atlantian University, as well as a
            >class at Pennsic, this year. As part of these classes, I plan to put
            >together a limited number of sampler sets of some of the more
            >interesting incense that I have found, and that are still affordable
            >at the entry level (top quality incense costs more per gram than
            >gold!). If you are not going to be going to either of these events
            >and are still interested in it, I always love to discuss it.

            Out of curiosity, which ryuuha have you studied? When I studied koudou
            we boiled of volitile esters from a single sliver or aromatic wood on
            a mica chip.
            --

            Your Humble Servant
            Solveig Throndardottir
            Amateur Scholar

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          • Irene Madhaidin
            Greetings, Solveig. Thanks for the welcome. I am fairly new to SCA, and very new to Japanese persona, yadaydayada. Having said that, if your question below
            Message 5 of 18 , May 21, 2003
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              Greetings, Solveig.

              Thanks for the welcome. I am fairly new to SCA, and very new to
              Japanese persona, yadaydayada. Having said that, if your question
              below is asking me whether I have studied the art of Kodo ceremony in
              the Shino or Oie schools, then I have definitely not studied in
              either of these or any other formal schools. The closest thing I
              have come to studying kodo ceremony is a video tape I got hold of
              which includes the formal ceremony along with a number of other koh
              related things... it is in Japanese, and Ii has generously offered to
              help me figure out what it is teaching.

              I claim no scholarly expertise in koh... only a gathering of info
              from reading, a gathering of some yummy incense, and an interest to
              share it.

              Having said that, I have burned a number of incense materials on
              mica, including sandalwood and sandalwood mixes, jinkoh (aloeswood)
              and mixes, and the Heian style kneaded incense. I'm thinking about
              buying some raw materials, such as some of the resins like
              frankincense and myrrh, and doing a 'raw ingredients' session on
              mica.

              I really enjoy cooking a variety of incense in a variety of ways
              and 'listening' for various flavors. It is, to me, either a light-
              hearted fun game thing, or a quiet and meditative sort of thing to
              do. Distinguishing flavors, particularly between essentially the
              same woods, is difficult and takes a great deal of focus (which is
              why I suspect the ceremony became so structured among those
              competitive samurai :^) On the other hand, sampling a variety of
              distinctively different materials and engaging in poetry, stories or
              playing a game is more social.

              I have even taken a stab at making my own fire tools for the
              ceremony. This came from my stubborn refusal to pay $80 for three
              tiny tools and a mica chip!

              Actually, I am looking for people who would be interested
              in 'learning' and practicing it together... hmmm... how would one do
              this online?? .. perhaps at Pennsic?

              Irene

              --- In sca-jml@yahoogroups.com, Solveig <nostrand@a...> wrote:
              > Noble Cousin!
              >
              > Greetings from Solveig!

              >
              > Out of curiosity, which ryuuha have you studied? When I studied
              koudou
              > we boiled of volitile esters from a single sliver or aromatic wood
              on
              > a mica chip.
              > --
              >
              > Your Humble Servant
              > Solveig Throndardottir
              > Amateur Scholar
              >
              > +-------------------------------------------------------------------
              ---+
              > |
            • Solveig
              Noble Cousin! Greetings from Solveig! Only $80 for Koh tools and a ginan! Where are you finding this stuff? Japanese artsy stuff can be quite expensivve. You
              Message 6 of 18 , May 22, 2003
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                Noble Cousin!

                Greetings from Solveig! Only $80 for Koh tools and a ginan! Where
                are you finding this stuff? Japanese artsy stuff can be quite expensivve.
                You also need a kohro, rather spiffy charcoal sticks, ashes, &c. to
                do incense the way that I very briefly studied it. I strongly suggest
                working with chips of a single substance at first until you have
                trained your nose to recognize individual aromas. One of the standard
                incense games is to pass around a reference aroma and then several other
                aromas. The guests then try to pick which aroma matched the reference
                aroma.

                Note. By briefly, I do mean brief. I only have two incense ceremony
                menjo.
                --

                Your Humble Servant
                Solveig Throndardottir
                Amateur Scholar

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              • Ii Saburou
                ... I have to say, Irene s research has been pretty enlightening. Her ability to describe how to listen for the five flavors was quite helpful at a recent
                Message 7 of 18 , May 22, 2003
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                  On Thu, 22 May 2003, Solveig wrote:

                  > Greetings from Solveig! Only $80 for Koh tools and a ginan! Where
                  > are you finding this stuff? Japanese artsy stuff can be quite expensivve.
                  > You also need a kohro, rather spiffy charcoal sticks, ashes, &c. to
                  > do incense the way that I very briefly studied it. I strongly suggest
                  > working with chips of a single substance at first until you have
                  > trained your nose to recognize individual aromas. One of the standard
                  > incense games is to pass around a reference aroma and then several other
                  > aromas. The guests then try to pick which aroma matched the reference
                  > aroma.

                  I have to say, Irene's research has been pretty enlightening. Her ability
                  to describe how to 'listen' for the five flavors was quite helpful at a
                  recent Asian Night we had. I really liked the special 'incence sampler'
                  that she had for people. The scents she picked out to illustrate the
                  differences between the flavors really helped me understand what she was
                  talking about.

                  I was really impressed by her entire kit, which seemed to include
                  everything and then some--not only the ashes, cup, and press, but various
                  types of incense in different forms, the mica--it was all really
                  wonderful.

                  I found the discussion of the different types of aloewood to be the most
                  remarkable, though, along with the description of the use of the 'Tale of
                  Genji' chapter markers for the game.


                  -Ii
                • Irene Madhaidin
                  Ii-domo Thank you for the encouraging reply to the message below. As you know from the last university, I m still working on timing the koh class... but at
                  Message 8 of 18 , Jun 21, 2003
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                    Ii-domo

                    Thank you for the encouraging reply to the message below. As you
                    know from the last university, I'm still working on timing the koh
                    class... but at least we had time to fit in a game last time(albiet,
                    a bit hurried). I'm going to take another stab at teaching the
                    subject at Pennsic.

                    Again, thanks for your support and participation in my
                    incense 'trail'.

                    YIS,
                    Irene

                    PS: Also at university, I had the honor and pleasure of taking
                    Vitha's shibori class (Japanese resist dye methods). I have become
                    an overnight fan and will be attempting to do shibori on some cotton
                    and sewing it up for Pennsic.

                    Are there any shibori fans out there?

                    --- In sca-jml@yahoogroups.com, Ii Saburou <logan@m...> wrote:

                    >
                    > I have to say, Irene's research has been pretty enlightening. Her
                    ability
                    > to describe how to 'listen' for the five flavors was quite helpful
                    at a
                    > recent Asian Night we had. I really liked the special 'incence
                    sampler'
                    > that she had for people. The scents she picked out to illustrate
                    the
                    > differences between the flavors really helped me understand what
                    she was
                    > talking about.
                    >
                    > I was really impressed by her entire kit, which seemed to include
                    > everything and then some--not only the ashes, cup, and press, but
                    various
                    > types of incense in different forms, the mica--it was all really
                    > wonderful.
                    >
                    > I found the discussion of the different types of aloewood to be the
                    most
                    > remarkable, though, along with the description of the use of
                    the 'Tale of
                    > Genji' chapter markers for the game.
                    >
                    >
                    > -Ii
                  • Irene Madhaidin
                    Greetings from Irene. I know this is slow in reply to the message below... please forgive the delay. Unfortunately, for $80 I could only find the condensed
                    Message 9 of 18 , Jun 21, 2003
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                      Greetings from Irene.

                      I know this is slow in reply to the message below... please forgive
                      the delay.

                      Unfortunately, for $80 I could only find the 'condensed' version of
                      the fire tools (I don't know what a ginan is, unfortunately, but I
                      suspect it doesn't come with the $80 set :^ ). The full set of fire
                      tools is usually more around $250. A 'student' quality kohro is
                      something like $80.... all of which is too much $ for me. So, I
                      compromise and study the tools and make my own or buy substitutes
                      (I'd rather spend my $ on the koh). For the kohro, I have found some
                      reasonable substitute tea cups (although they do not have
                      the 'tripod' feet, so you must be a bit more careful about heat).
                      I've been picking some nice bowls for burning the chips.

                      You are most certainly right about practicing with the raw materials
                      to learn them... it is not easy to distinguish them (but it's fun!).

                      I was considering a 'raw materials' class where we burn the basic
                      ingredients that go into Japanese incense individually to learn about
                      them better... sort of a take on the way wine students learn about
                      wines by smelling a variety of scents that are used to describe them.

                      Irene


                      --- In sca-jml@yahoogroups.com, Solveig <nostrand@a...> wrote:
                      > Noble Cousin!
                      >
                      > Greetings from Solveig! Only $80 for Koh tools and a ginan! Where
                      > are you finding this stuff? Japanese artsy stuff can be quite
                      expensivve.
                      > You also need a kohro, rather spiffy charcoal sticks, ashes, &c. to
                      > do incense the way that I very briefly studied it. I strongly
                      suggest
                      > working with chips of a single substance at first until you have
                      > trained your nose to recognize individual aromas. One of the
                      standard
                      > incense games is to pass around a reference aroma and then several
                      other
                      > aromas. The guests then try to pick which aroma matched the
                      reference
                      > aroma.
                      >
                      > Note. By briefly, I do mean brief. I only have two incense ceremony
                      > menjo.
                      > --
                      >
                      > Your Humble Servant
                      > Solveig Throndardottir
                      > Amateur Scholar
                      >
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                    • Solveig
                      Noble Cousin! Greetings from Solveig! I was writing about the piece of mica with the silver edge. I assume by student quality kouro you mean on of those
                      Message 10 of 18 , Jun 22, 2003
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                        Noble Cousin!

                        Greetings from Solveig! I was writing about the piece of mica with the
                        silver edge. I assume by "student quality" kouro you mean on of those
                        green ceramic mass produced items. $80 dollars sounds about right. Do
                        you know where to get them? Mine suffered an accident and their feet
                        are broken. The charcoal, however, is pretty much indispensable.

                        As for studying koudou. The koudou classes which I took concentrated
                        on burning individual small wood chips.

                        --

                        Your Humble Servant
                        Solveig Throndardottir
                        Amateur Scholar

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                      • Solveig
                        Noble Cousins! Greetings from Solveig! I should point out that the traditional field technique for cleaning a sword is to wipe it with paper. If you don t have
                        Message 11 of 18 , Jun 22, 2003
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                          Noble Cousins!

                          Greetings from Solveig! I should point out that the traditional
                          field technique for cleaning a sword is to wipe it with paper.
                          If you don't have your kaishi with you, then you can wipe it
                          with cloth. You are not going to wipe your sword on some random
                          piece of rock or metal. The things are polished with talc.
                          --

                          Your Humble Servant
                          Solveig Throndardottir
                          Amateur Scholar

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                        • ELAINE KOOGLER
                          I love shibori...even have a wonderful book on it that I purchased from the Textile Museum...a place you should visit if you haven t. They have all sorts of
                          Message 12 of 18 , Jun 23, 2003
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                            I love shibori...even have a wonderful book on it that I purchased from
                            the Textile Museum...a place you should visit if you haven't. They
                            have all sorts of wonderful things there. I would really love to try
                            it, but alas it has to wait with the number of other things that I
                            really want to do until my life gets a little less hectic!

                            Kiri

                            PS: I also have several wonderful examples of it...



                            ----- Original Message -----
                            From: Irene Madhaidin <ErginArtesia@...>
                            Date: Sunday, June 22, 2003 0:27 am
                            Subject: [SCA-JML] Re: Koh - incense for fun and frolic - and Pennsic

                            > <span><p><span><p>
                            >
                            >
                            > <tt>
                            > Ii-domo
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > Thank you for the encouraging reply to the message below. As you
                            >
                            > know from the last university, I'm still working on timing the koh
                            >
                            > class... but at least we had time to fit in a game last
                            > time(albiet,
                            >
                            > a bit hurried). I'm going to take another stab at teaching the
                            >
                            > subject at Pennsic.
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > Again, thanks for your support and participation in my
                            >
                            > incense 'trail'.
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > YIS,
                            >
                            > Irene
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > PS: Also at university, I had the honor and pleasure of taking
                            >
                            > Vitha's shibori class (Japanese resist dye methods). I have
                            > become
                            >
                            > an overnight fan and will be attempting to do shibori on some
                            > cotton
                            >
                            > and sewing it up for Pennsic.
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > Are there any shibori fans out there?
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > --- In sca-jml@yahoogroups.com, Ii Saburou <logan@m...> wrote:
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > >
                            >
                            > > I have to say, Irene's research has been pretty enlightening.
                            > Her
                            >
                            > ability
                            >
                            > > to describe how to 'listen' for the five flavors was quite
                            > helpful
                            >
                            > at a
                            >
                            > > recent Asian Night we had. I really liked the special
                            > 'incence
                            >
                            > sampler'
                            >
                            > > that she had for people. The scents she picked out to
                            > illustrate
                            >
                            > the
                            >
                            > > differences between the flavors really helped me understand
                            > what
                            >
                            > she was
                            >
                            > > talking about.
                            >
                            > >
                            >
                            > > I was really impressed by her entire kit, which seemed to
                            > include
                            >
                            > > everything and then some--not only the ashes, cup, and press,
                            > but
                            >
                            > various
                            >
                            > > types of incense in different forms, the mica--it was all
                            > really
                            >
                            > > wonderful.
                            >
                            > >
                            >
                            > > I found the discussion of the different types of aloewood to
                            > be the
                            >
                            > most
                            >
                            > > remarkable, though, along with the description of the use of
                            >
                            > the 'Tale of
                            >
                            > > Genji' chapter markers for the game.
                            >
                            > >
                            >
                            > >
                            >
                            > > -Ii
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > </tt>
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
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                          • ELAINE KOOGLER
                            Irene, There is a lady on this list from California who does pottery...in fact she s apprenticed to one of the finest potters in the SCA...she is on this list
                            Message 13 of 18 , Jun 23, 2003
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                              Irene,
                              There is a lady on this list from California who does pottery...in fact
                              she's apprenticed to one of the finest potters in the SCA...she is on
                              this list and I'm having a Monday morning brain drain, unable to
                              remember her name! At any rate, I suspect you might be able to get her
                              to make you the cups you need...with the requisite 3 feet!

                              Kiri



                              ----- Original Message -----
                              From: Irene Madhaidin <ErginArtesia@...>
                              Date: Sunday, June 22, 2003 0:52 am
                              Subject: [SCA-JML] Re: Koh - incense for fun and frolic

                              > <span><p><span><p>
                              >
                              >
                              > <tt>
                              > Greetings from Irene.
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > I know this is slow in reply to the message below... please
                              > forgive
                              >
                              > the delay.
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > Unfortunately, for $80 I could only find the 'condensed' version
                              > of
                              >
                              > the fire tools (I don't know what a ginan is, unfortunately, but I
                              >
                              > suspect it doesn't come with the $80 set :^ ). The full set of
                              > fire
                              >
                              > tools is usually more around $250. A 'student' quality kohro is
                              >
                              > something like $80.... all of which is too much $ for me. So, I
                              >
                              > compromise and study the tools and make my own or buy substitutes
                              >
                              > (I'd rather spend my $ on the koh). For the kohro, I have found
                              > some
                              >
                              > reasonable substitute tea cups (although they do not have
                              >
                              > the 'tripod' feet, so you must be a bit more careful about heat).
                              >
                              > I've been picking some nice bowls for burning the chips.
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > You are most certainly right about practicing with the raw
                              > materials
                              >
                              > to learn them... it is not easy to distinguish them (but it's fun!).
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > I was considering a 'raw materials' class where we burn the basic
                              >
                              > ingredients that go into Japanese incense individually to learn
                              > about
                              >
                              > them better... sort of a take on the way wine students learn about
                              >
                              > wines by smelling a variety of scents that are used to describe them.
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > Irene
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
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                              >
                              > > Noble Cousin!
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > Greetings from Solveig! Only $80 for Koh tools and a ginan! Where
                              >
                              > > are you finding this stuff? Japanese artsy stuff can be quite
                              >
                              > expensivve.
                              >
                              > > You also need a kohro, rather spiffy charcoal sticks, ashes,
                              > &c. to
                              >
                              > > do incense the way that I very briefly studied it. I strongly
                              >
                              > suggest
                              >
                              > > working with chips of a single substance at first until you have
                              >
                              > > trained your nose to recognize individual aromas. One of the
                              >
                              > standard
                              >
                              > > incense games is to pass around a reference aroma and then
                              > several
                              >
                              > other
                              >
                              > > aromas. The guests then try to pick which aroma matched the
                              >
                              > reference
                              >
                              > > aroma.
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > Note. By briefly, I do mean brief. I only have two incense
                              > ceremony
                              > > menjo.
                              >
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                            • Irene Madhaidin
                              Greetings, Solveig! A fairly complete listening set , including some fire tools (brass, not silver), the cup, the mica chip (very delicate... I have a backup
                              Message 14 of 18 , Jun 24, 2003
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                                Greetings, Solveig!

                                A fairly complete 'listening set', including some fire tools (brass,
                                not silver), the cup, the mica chip (very delicate... I have a backup
                                chip), the ash and some woods may be found at the incens apothecary
                                for $150. I think this is the best price I've seen for these
                                materials, all of which is needed for kodo. The woods alone can be
                                very expensive. But I have not bought it so I cannot personally
                                speak for its quality.
                                http://www.incense-apothecary.com/kodo/utsusemi1.htm

                                My favorite 'raw materials' site also has the kodo cup for $75:
                                http://www.scents-of-earth.com/kohdohcupinb.html

                                And, since I'm giving out URLs, I might as well pass along my
                                favorite incense site (they supply Baeido... which is the yummiest
                                and best quality incense I've encountered in my short and humble
                                journey through the world of koh).
                                www.sensia.com
                                They have a lot of incense on their site. May I recommend that you
                                ignore them, go straight to the pull down menu and look for Baeido?

                                Mica chips are, to this student's uneducated eye, ridiculously
                                expensive. But I like them and so I buy them, usually from Sensia.
                                A piece of tin foil will work as well as mica.. but somehow, while
                                substituting a nice looking teacup for a kodo cup is ok, tin foil
                                instead of mica just won't do! :^ )

                                I hope that you will find this helpful.

                                Yours in Service,
                                Irene Madhaidin

                                --- In sca-jml@yahoogroups.com, Solveig <nostrand@a...> wrote:
                                > Noble Cousin!
                                >
                                > Greetings from Solveig! I was writing about the piece of mica with
                                the
                                > silver edge. I assume by "student quality" kouro you mean on of
                                those
                                > green ceramic mass produced items. $80 dollars sounds about right.
                                Do
                                > you know where to get them? Mine suffered an accident and their feet
                                > are broken. The charcoal, however, is pretty much indispensable.
                                >
                                > As for studying koudou. The koudou classes which I took concentrated
                                > on burning individual small wood chips.
                                >
                                > --
                                >
                                > Your Humble Servant
                                > Solveig Throndardottir
                                > Amateur Scholar
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                              • Irene Madhaidin
                                Greetings to Kiri and other shibori fans! I think that I will make a trip to the textile museum over this summer! I keep forgetting to put it on my trip list.
                                Message 15 of 18 , Jun 24, 2003
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                                  Greetings to Kiri and other shibori fans!

                                  I think that I will make a trip to the textile museum over this
                                  summer! I keep forgetting to put it on my trip list.

                                  Vitha is teaching shibori again this summer at Pennsic. I highly
                                  recommend her class. Shibori was the basis of her thesis and in
                                  class she brought all of her samples, plus some awesome costumes with
                                  examples of shibori (she brought them from the Washington Opera).

                                  I have a shibori war story. My teenage daughter spent 3 solid days
                                  (about 30 hours in all) threading up a scarf using the 'wood grain'
                                  shibori technique. She did everything beautifully, showed zen-like
                                  patience and a professional dedication to perfection in her
                                  stitchery. I, her bumbling mother, did not thicken the dye enough
                                  and so, the dye penetrated all the way through the fabric. She was
                                  such a soldier about it. Row after row, for two hours, I watched her
                                  cut the threads she had so laboriously tied down earlier, pull apart
                                  the scarf... only to see a solid mass of color.

                                  Although she was clearly upset, she took it all so well. I asked if
                                  she hated shibori now, and she said no... she would try the spider
                                  web pattern... and if that comes out a solid mass, THEN she would
                                  hate shibori!

                                  I think that part of the problem also was that we were using habotai
                                  scarves (china silk), which are exceedlingly thin. Woodgrain
                                  technique is a stitched resist method, and stitching so thin a fabric
                                  is tricky for resist.

                                  http://www.shibori.org/tech/

                                  YIS,
                                  Irene


                                  --- In sca-jml@yahoogroups.com, ELAINE KOOGLER <ekoogler1@c...> wrote:
                                  > I love shibori...even have a wonderful book on it that I purchased
                                  from
                                  > the Textile Museum...a place you should visit if you haven't. They
                                  > have all sorts of wonderful things there. I would really love to
                                  try
                                  > it, but alas it has to wait with the number of other things that I
                                  > really want to do until my life gets a little less hectic!
                                  >
                                  > Kiri
                                  >
                                  > PS: I also have several wonderful examples of it...
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                • Irene Madhaidin
                                  Kiri, Thank you for this suggestion. This is one of the best things about SCA.. that is, all the variety of interests and artists! I can provide some web
                                  Message 16 of 18 , Jun 24, 2003
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                                    Kiri,

                                    Thank you for this suggestion. This is one of the best things about
                                    SCA.. that is, all the variety of interests and artists! I can
                                    provide some web sites for references, as well.

                                    --- In sca-jml@yahoogroups.com, ELAINE KOOGLER <ekoogler1@c...> wrote:
                                    > Irene,
                                    > There is a lady on this list from California who does pottery...in
                                    fact
                                    > she's apprenticed to one of the finest potters in the SCA...she is
                                    on
                                    > this list and I'm having a Monday morning brain drain, unable to
                                    > remember her name! At any rate, I suspect you might be able to get
                                    her
                                    > to make you the cups you need...with the requisite 3 feet!
                                    >
                                    > Kiri
                                    >
                                  • Bill Fornshell
                                    Hi, Have you ever looked at the book Opulence: The Komonos and Robes of Itchiku Kubota ISBN-0870116363. The book is out of print but you might find it at the
                                    Message 17 of 18 , Jun 24, 2003
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                                      Hi, Have you ever looked at the book "Opulence: The
                                      Komonos and Robes of Itchiku Kubota" ISBN-0870116363.
                                      The book is out of print but you might find it at the
                                      library. My library search program shows copies
                                      located in at least 264 libraries. It is about Shibori
                                      taken to a level of art that is hard to believe. Your
                                      local library should be able to get it on Interlibrary
                                      loan if they don't have it. Bill

                                      --- Irene Madhaidin <ErginArtesia@...> wrote:
                                      > Greetings to Kiri and other shibori fans!
                                      >
                                      > I think that I will make a trip to the textile
                                      > museum over this
                                      > summer! I keep forgetting to put it on my trip
                                      > list.
                                      >
                                      > Vitha is teaching shibori again this summer at
                                      > Pennsic. I highly
                                      > recommend her class. Shibori was the basis of her
                                      > thesis and in
                                      > class she brought all of her samples, plus some
                                      > awesome costumes with
                                      > examples of shibori (she brought them from the
                                      > Washington Opera).
                                      >
                                      > I have a shibori war story. My teenage daughter
                                      > spent 3 solid days
                                      > (about 30 hours in all) threading up a scarf using
                                      > the 'wood grain'
                                      > shibori technique. She did everything beautifully,
                                      > showed zen-like
                                      > patience and a professional dedication to perfection
                                      > in her
                                      > stitchery. I, her bumbling mother, did not thicken
                                      > the dye enough
                                      > and so, the dye penetrated all the way through the
                                      > fabric. She was
                                      > such a soldier about it. Row after row, for two
                                      > hours, I watched her
                                      > cut the threads she had so laboriously tied down
                                      > earlier, pull apart
                                      > the scarf... only to see a solid mass of color.
                                      >
                                      > Although she was clearly upset, she took it all so
                                      > well. I asked if
                                      > she hated shibori now, and she said no... she would
                                      > try the spider
                                      > web pattern... and if that comes out a solid mass,
                                      > THEN she would
                                      > hate shibori!
                                      >
                                      > I think that part of the problem also was that we
                                      > were using habotai
                                      > scarves (china silk), which are exceedlingly thin.
                                      > Woodgrain
                                      > technique is a stitched resist method, and stitching
                                      > so thin a fabric
                                      > is tricky for resist.
                                      >
                                      > http://www.shibori.org/tech/
                                      >
                                      > YIS,
                                      > Irene
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > --- In sca-jml@yahoogroups.com, ELAINE KOOGLER
                                      > <ekoogler1@c...> wrote:
                                      > > I love shibori...even have a wonderful book on it
                                      > that I purchased
                                      > from
                                      > > the Textile Museum...a place you should visit if
                                      > you haven't. They
                                      > > have all sorts of wonderful things there. I would
                                      > really love to
                                      > try
                                      > > it, but alas it has to wait with the number of
                                      > other things that I
                                      > > really want to do until my life gets a little less
                                      > hectic!
                                      > >
                                      > > Kiri
                                      > >
                                      > > PS: I also have several wonderful examples of
                                      > it...
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      >
                                      >



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