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  • sanazami
    Greetings, tomodachi! just a small question, and a request... first, the question... does anyone have any good sources for Koh (japanese incense) or
    Message 1 of 18 , Mar 26, 2002
      Greetings, tomodachi!

      just a small question, and a request...

      first, the question... does anyone have any good sources for Koh
      (japanese incense) or ingredients? i'm in canada, and from what i've
      seen, it's almost Cost prohibitive... I'm asking, becasue i've been
      thinking of getting into it...

      now, the request...

      after finaly getting some time( being un-eployed kinda helps on
      that) and a copy of frontpage, i am updating the Toshokan, from the
      ground up... if you have anything of interest E.g. Photos from
      pennsic, articles, recipes of your favorite dishes, ect, please feel
      free to send them to me, Zipped, at Sanazami@...

      thank you again...

      Nobu
    • Mokurai
      The only source I have seen is the Bugei Everything Samurai catalog. http://www.bugei.com/ They carry (last I checked) the incense, the mica plates and other
      Message 2 of 18 , Mar 27, 2002
        The only source I have seen is the Bugei "Everything Samurai" catalog.

        http://www.bugei.com/

        They carry (last I checked) the incense, the mica plates and other
        implements, but I don't know if the prices are good or not.

        - mokurai




        -----Original Message-----
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        Subject: [SCA-JML] Koh



        Greetings, tomodachi!

        just a small question, and a request...

        first, the question... does anyone have any good sources for Koh
        (japanese incense) or ingredients? i'm in canada, and from what i've
        seen, it's almost Cost prohibitive... I'm asking, becasue i've been
        thinking of getting into it...

        now, the request...

        after finaly getting some time( being un-eployed kinda helps on
        that) and a copy of frontpage, i am updating the Toshokan, from the
        ground up... if you have anything of interest E.g. Photos from
        pennsic, articles, recipes of your favorite dishes, ect, please feel
        free to send them to me, Zipped, at Sanazami@...

        thank you again...

        Nobu




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      • Anthony J. Bryant
        ... http://www.shoyeido.com/ They re a good supplier of general ko-do stuff. What you get, though, is Japanese incense. It s hard to find *real* ko-do
        Message 3 of 18 , Mar 27, 2002
          sanazami wrote:

          > just a small question, and a request...
          >
          > first, the question... does anyone have any good sources for Koh
          > (japanese incense) or ingredients? i'm in canada, and from what i've
          > seen, it's almost Cost prohibitive... I'm asking, becasue i've been
          > thinking of getting into it...
          >

          http://www.shoyeido.com/

          They're a good supplier of general ko-do stuff. What you get, though, is
          Japanese incense. It's hard to find *real* ko-do supplies, as the stuff is
          generally just very expensive. There are many, many stores in Kyoto where
          you can get it, though. Most notably places along Gion-dori, which is a
          center of "old Heian culture."

          When I was last there, I bought a gift for someone that was a sample set
          that included a small brazier, a bag of ash, a mica sheet, tweezers,
          charcoal, and a few small envelopes of six or seven scents that should last
          about three hours all together, and it cost nearly $100. At some of the
          better shops, you can buy small packets with a half a gram or so of the
          various traditional incense thingies, some of which cost well over a hundred
          smackers for one packet. This is a serious culture/art thingie, and you need
          deep pockets to really get into it.

          Most of what you get today is modern incense with cute names like "temple
          moss" which invoke a feel of Japan (okay, yes, I like Shoyeido's
          "Kyo-nishiki [Kyoto Autumn Leaves]") but these aren't the traditional
          "flavors" of incense. It's like the places that sell painted clamshells with
          scenes from Tale of Genji and pretend it's the traditional shell sets for
          the Kai Awase game -- sometimes they don't even know it's not the real
          thing, and sometimes they just don't care because people buy it anyway.

          Anyway, I wouldn't turn up my nose at modern stick or cone incense in Japan
          -- the companies making them do damn good work -- but I just remind myself
          that it's a pale shadow of a real ko-do thingie.

          >

          Effingham
        • Irene Madhaidin
          Greetings to the list and to Nobu, I am new to this list and was browsing the archives when I came across this question below about Koh. Did you ever get what
          Message 4 of 18 , May 17, 2003
            Greetings to the list and to Nobu,

            I am new to this list and was browsing the archives when I came
            across this question below about Koh. Did you ever get what you
            needed? Are you still interested in koh?

            I am new to SCA and very new to Japanese persona. But I have have
            been researching and experimenting with Koh for several months now.

            If you are still interested in koh, I am planning on providing an
            introduction to it in both the Atlantian University, as well as a
            class at Pennsic, this year. As part of these classes, I plan to put
            together a limited number of sampler sets of some of the more
            interesting incense that I have found, and that are still affordable
            at the entry level (top quality incense costs more per gram than
            gold!). If you are not going to be going to either of these events
            and are still interested in it, I always love to discuss it.

            --- In sca-jml@yahoogroups.com, "sanazami" <wcbooth@h...> wrote:
            >
            > Greetings, tomodachi!
            >
            > just a small question, and a request...
            >
            > first, the question... does anyone have any good sources for Koh
            > (japanese incense) or ingredients? i'm in canada, and from what
            i've
            > seen, it's almost Cost prohibitive... I'm asking, becasue i've been
            > thinking of getting into it...
            >
            > now, the request...
            >
            > after finaly getting some time( being un-eployed kinda helps on
            > that) and a copy of frontpage, i am updating the Toshokan, from the
            > ground up... if you have anything of interest E.g. Photos from
            > pennsic, articles, recipes of your favorite dishes, ect, please
            feel
            > free to send them to me, Zipped, at Sanazami@h...
            >
            > thank you again...
            >
            > Nobu
          • Solveig
            Noble Cousin! Greetings from Solveig! ... Out of curiosity, which ryuuha have you studied? When I studied koudou we boiled of volitile esters from a single
            Message 5 of 18 , May 18, 2003
              Noble Cousin!

              Greetings from Solveig!

              >If you are still interested in koh, I am planning on providing an
              >introduction to it in both the Atlantian University, as well as a
              >class at Pennsic, this year. As part of these classes, I plan to put
              >together a limited number of sampler sets of some of the more
              >interesting incense that I have found, and that are still affordable
              >at the entry level (top quality incense costs more per gram than
              >gold!). If you are not going to be going to either of these events
              >and are still interested in it, I always love to discuss it.

              Out of curiosity, which ryuuha have you studied? When I studied koudou
              we boiled of volitile esters from a single sliver or aromatic wood on
              a mica chip.
              --

              Your Humble Servant
              Solveig Throndardottir
              Amateur Scholar

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            • Irene Madhaidin
              Greetings, Solveig. Thanks for the welcome. I am fairly new to SCA, and very new to Japanese persona, yadaydayada. Having said that, if your question below
              Message 6 of 18 , May 21, 2003
                Greetings, Solveig.

                Thanks for the welcome. I am fairly new to SCA, and very new to
                Japanese persona, yadaydayada. Having said that, if your question
                below is asking me whether I have studied the art of Kodo ceremony in
                the Shino or Oie schools, then I have definitely not studied in
                either of these or any other formal schools. The closest thing I
                have come to studying kodo ceremony is a video tape I got hold of
                which includes the formal ceremony along with a number of other koh
                related things... it is in Japanese, and Ii has generously offered to
                help me figure out what it is teaching.

                I claim no scholarly expertise in koh... only a gathering of info
                from reading, a gathering of some yummy incense, and an interest to
                share it.

                Having said that, I have burned a number of incense materials on
                mica, including sandalwood and sandalwood mixes, jinkoh (aloeswood)
                and mixes, and the Heian style kneaded incense. I'm thinking about
                buying some raw materials, such as some of the resins like
                frankincense and myrrh, and doing a 'raw ingredients' session on
                mica.

                I really enjoy cooking a variety of incense in a variety of ways
                and 'listening' for various flavors. It is, to me, either a light-
                hearted fun game thing, or a quiet and meditative sort of thing to
                do. Distinguishing flavors, particularly between essentially the
                same woods, is difficult and takes a great deal of focus (which is
                why I suspect the ceremony became so structured among those
                competitive samurai :^) On the other hand, sampling a variety of
                distinctively different materials and engaging in poetry, stories or
                playing a game is more social.

                I have even taken a stab at making my own fire tools for the
                ceremony. This came from my stubborn refusal to pay $80 for three
                tiny tools and a mica chip!

                Actually, I am looking for people who would be interested
                in 'learning' and practicing it together... hmmm... how would one do
                this online?? .. perhaps at Pennsic?

                Irene

                --- In sca-jml@yahoogroups.com, Solveig <nostrand@a...> wrote:
                > Noble Cousin!
                >
                > Greetings from Solveig!

                >
                > Out of curiosity, which ryuuha have you studied? When I studied
                koudou
                > we boiled of volitile esters from a single sliver or aromatic wood
                on
                > a mica chip.
                > --
                >
                > Your Humble Servant
                > Solveig Throndardottir
                > Amateur Scholar
                >
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                ---+
                > |
              • Solveig
                Noble Cousin! Greetings from Solveig! Only $80 for Koh tools and a ginan! Where are you finding this stuff? Japanese artsy stuff can be quite expensivve. You
                Message 7 of 18 , May 22, 2003
                  Noble Cousin!

                  Greetings from Solveig! Only $80 for Koh tools and a ginan! Where
                  are you finding this stuff? Japanese artsy stuff can be quite expensivve.
                  You also need a kohro, rather spiffy charcoal sticks, ashes, &c. to
                  do incense the way that I very briefly studied it. I strongly suggest
                  working with chips of a single substance at first until you have
                  trained your nose to recognize individual aromas. One of the standard
                  incense games is to pass around a reference aroma and then several other
                  aromas. The guests then try to pick which aroma matched the reference
                  aroma.

                  Note. By briefly, I do mean brief. I only have two incense ceremony
                  menjo.
                  --

                  Your Humble Servant
                  Solveig Throndardottir
                  Amateur Scholar

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                • Ii Saburou
                  ... I have to say, Irene s research has been pretty enlightening. Her ability to describe how to listen for the five flavors was quite helpful at a recent
                  Message 8 of 18 , May 22, 2003
                    On Thu, 22 May 2003, Solveig wrote:

                    > Greetings from Solveig! Only $80 for Koh tools and a ginan! Where
                    > are you finding this stuff? Japanese artsy stuff can be quite expensivve.
                    > You also need a kohro, rather spiffy charcoal sticks, ashes, &c. to
                    > do incense the way that I very briefly studied it. I strongly suggest
                    > working with chips of a single substance at first until you have
                    > trained your nose to recognize individual aromas. One of the standard
                    > incense games is to pass around a reference aroma and then several other
                    > aromas. The guests then try to pick which aroma matched the reference
                    > aroma.

                    I have to say, Irene's research has been pretty enlightening. Her ability
                    to describe how to 'listen' for the five flavors was quite helpful at a
                    recent Asian Night we had. I really liked the special 'incence sampler'
                    that she had for people. The scents she picked out to illustrate the
                    differences between the flavors really helped me understand what she was
                    talking about.

                    I was really impressed by her entire kit, which seemed to include
                    everything and then some--not only the ashes, cup, and press, but various
                    types of incense in different forms, the mica--it was all really
                    wonderful.

                    I found the discussion of the different types of aloewood to be the most
                    remarkable, though, along with the description of the use of the 'Tale of
                    Genji' chapter markers for the game.


                    -Ii
                  • Irene Madhaidin
                    Ii-domo Thank you for the encouraging reply to the message below. As you know from the last university, I m still working on timing the koh class... but at
                    Message 9 of 18 , Jun 21, 2003
                      Ii-domo

                      Thank you for the encouraging reply to the message below. As you
                      know from the last university, I'm still working on timing the koh
                      class... but at least we had time to fit in a game last time(albiet,
                      a bit hurried). I'm going to take another stab at teaching the
                      subject at Pennsic.

                      Again, thanks for your support and participation in my
                      incense 'trail'.

                      YIS,
                      Irene

                      PS: Also at university, I had the honor and pleasure of taking
                      Vitha's shibori class (Japanese resist dye methods). I have become
                      an overnight fan and will be attempting to do shibori on some cotton
                      and sewing it up for Pennsic.

                      Are there any shibori fans out there?

                      --- In sca-jml@yahoogroups.com, Ii Saburou <logan@m...> wrote:

                      >
                      > I have to say, Irene's research has been pretty enlightening. Her
                      ability
                      > to describe how to 'listen' for the five flavors was quite helpful
                      at a
                      > recent Asian Night we had. I really liked the special 'incence
                      sampler'
                      > that she had for people. The scents she picked out to illustrate
                      the
                      > differences between the flavors really helped me understand what
                      she was
                      > talking about.
                      >
                      > I was really impressed by her entire kit, which seemed to include
                      > everything and then some--not only the ashes, cup, and press, but
                      various
                      > types of incense in different forms, the mica--it was all really
                      > wonderful.
                      >
                      > I found the discussion of the different types of aloewood to be the
                      most
                      > remarkable, though, along with the description of the use of
                      the 'Tale of
                      > Genji' chapter markers for the game.
                      >
                      >
                      > -Ii
                    • Irene Madhaidin
                      Greetings from Irene. I know this is slow in reply to the message below... please forgive the delay. Unfortunately, for $80 I could only find the condensed
                      Message 10 of 18 , Jun 21, 2003
                        Greetings from Irene.

                        I know this is slow in reply to the message below... please forgive
                        the delay.

                        Unfortunately, for $80 I could only find the 'condensed' version of
                        the fire tools (I don't know what a ginan is, unfortunately, but I
                        suspect it doesn't come with the $80 set :^ ). The full set of fire
                        tools is usually more around $250. A 'student' quality kohro is
                        something like $80.... all of which is too much $ for me. So, I
                        compromise and study the tools and make my own or buy substitutes
                        (I'd rather spend my $ on the koh). For the kohro, I have found some
                        reasonable substitute tea cups (although they do not have
                        the 'tripod' feet, so you must be a bit more careful about heat).
                        I've been picking some nice bowls for burning the chips.

                        You are most certainly right about practicing with the raw materials
                        to learn them... it is not easy to distinguish them (but it's fun!).

                        I was considering a 'raw materials' class where we burn the basic
                        ingredients that go into Japanese incense individually to learn about
                        them better... sort of a take on the way wine students learn about
                        wines by smelling a variety of scents that are used to describe them.

                        Irene


                        --- In sca-jml@yahoogroups.com, Solveig <nostrand@a...> wrote:
                        > Noble Cousin!
                        >
                        > Greetings from Solveig! Only $80 for Koh tools and a ginan! Where
                        > are you finding this stuff? Japanese artsy stuff can be quite
                        expensivve.
                        > You also need a kohro, rather spiffy charcoal sticks, ashes, &c. to
                        > do incense the way that I very briefly studied it. I strongly
                        suggest
                        > working with chips of a single substance at first until you have
                        > trained your nose to recognize individual aromas. One of the
                        standard
                        > incense games is to pass around a reference aroma and then several
                        other
                        > aromas. The guests then try to pick which aroma matched the
                        reference
                        > aroma.
                        >
                        > Note. By briefly, I do mean brief. I only have two incense ceremony
                        > menjo.
                        > --
                        >
                        > Your Humble Servant
                        > Solveig Throndardottir
                        > Amateur Scholar
                        >
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                      • Solveig
                        Noble Cousin! Greetings from Solveig! I was writing about the piece of mica with the silver edge. I assume by student quality kouro you mean on of those
                        Message 11 of 18 , Jun 22, 2003
                          Noble Cousin!

                          Greetings from Solveig! I was writing about the piece of mica with the
                          silver edge. I assume by "student quality" kouro you mean on of those
                          green ceramic mass produced items. $80 dollars sounds about right. Do
                          you know where to get them? Mine suffered an accident and their feet
                          are broken. The charcoal, however, is pretty much indispensable.

                          As for studying koudou. The koudou classes which I took concentrated
                          on burning individual small wood chips.

                          --

                          Your Humble Servant
                          Solveig Throndardottir
                          Amateur Scholar

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                        • Solveig
                          Noble Cousins! Greetings from Solveig! I should point out that the traditional field technique for cleaning a sword is to wipe it with paper. If you don t have
                          Message 12 of 18 , Jun 22, 2003
                            Noble Cousins!

                            Greetings from Solveig! I should point out that the traditional
                            field technique for cleaning a sword is to wipe it with paper.
                            If you don't have your kaishi with you, then you can wipe it
                            with cloth. You are not going to wipe your sword on some random
                            piece of rock or metal. The things are polished with talc.
                            --

                            Your Humble Servant
                            Solveig Throndardottir
                            Amateur Scholar

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                          • ELAINE KOOGLER
                            I love shibori...even have a wonderful book on it that I purchased from the Textile Museum...a place you should visit if you haven t. They have all sorts of
                            Message 13 of 18 , Jun 23, 2003
                              I love shibori...even have a wonderful book on it that I purchased from
                              the Textile Museum...a place you should visit if you haven't. They
                              have all sorts of wonderful things there. I would really love to try
                              it, but alas it has to wait with the number of other things that I
                              really want to do until my life gets a little less hectic!

                              Kiri

                              PS: I also have several wonderful examples of it...



                              ----- Original Message -----
                              From: Irene Madhaidin <ErginArtesia@...>
                              Date: Sunday, June 22, 2003 0:27 am
                              Subject: [SCA-JML] Re: Koh - incense for fun and frolic - and Pennsic

                              > <span><p><span><p>
                              >
                              >
                              > <tt>
                              > Ii-domo
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > Thank you for the encouraging reply to the message below. As you
                              >
                              > know from the last university, I'm still working on timing the koh
                              >
                              > class... but at least we had time to fit in a game last
                              > time(albiet,
                              >
                              > a bit hurried). I'm going to take another stab at teaching the
                              >
                              > subject at Pennsic.
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > Again, thanks for your support and participation in my
                              >
                              > incense 'trail'.
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > YIS,
                              >
                              > Irene
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > PS: Also at university, I had the honor and pleasure of taking
                              >
                              > Vitha's shibori class (Japanese resist dye methods). I have
                              > become
                              >
                              > an overnight fan and will be attempting to do shibori on some
                              > cotton
                              >
                              > and sewing it up for Pennsic.
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > Are there any shibori fans out there?
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > --- In sca-jml@yahoogroups.com, Ii Saburou <logan@m...> wrote:
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > I have to say, Irene's research has been pretty enlightening.
                              > Her
                              >
                              > ability
                              >
                              > > to describe how to 'listen' for the five flavors was quite
                              > helpful
                              >
                              > at a
                              >
                              > > recent Asian Night we had. I really liked the special
                              > 'incence
                              >
                              > sampler'
                              >
                              > > that she had for people. The scents she picked out to
                              > illustrate
                              >
                              > the
                              >
                              > > differences between the flavors really helped me understand
                              > what
                              >
                              > she was
                              >
                              > > talking about.
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > I was really impressed by her entire kit, which seemed to
                              > include
                              >
                              > > everything and then some--not only the ashes, cup, and press,
                              > but
                              >
                              > various
                              >
                              > > types of incense in different forms, the mica--it was all
                              > really
                              >
                              > > wonderful.
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > I found the discussion of the different types of aloewood to
                              > be the
                              >
                              > most
                              >
                              > > remarkable, though, along with the description of the use of
                              >
                              > the 'Tale of
                              >
                              > > Genji' chapter markers for the game.
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > -Ii
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > </tt>
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
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                            • ELAINE KOOGLER
                              Irene, There is a lady on this list from California who does pottery...in fact she s apprenticed to one of the finest potters in the SCA...she is on this list
                              Message 14 of 18 , Jun 23, 2003
                                Irene,
                                There is a lady on this list from California who does pottery...in fact
                                she's apprenticed to one of the finest potters in the SCA...she is on
                                this list and I'm having a Monday morning brain drain, unable to
                                remember her name! At any rate, I suspect you might be able to get her
                                to make you the cups you need...with the requisite 3 feet!

                                Kiri



                                ----- Original Message -----
                                From: Irene Madhaidin <ErginArtesia@...>
                                Date: Sunday, June 22, 2003 0:52 am
                                Subject: [SCA-JML] Re: Koh - incense for fun and frolic

                                > <span><p><span><p>
                                >
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                                > Greetings from Irene.
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > I know this is slow in reply to the message below... please
                                > forgive
                                >
                                > the delay.
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > Unfortunately, for $80 I could only find the 'condensed' version
                                > of
                                >
                                > the fire tools (I don't know what a ginan is, unfortunately, but I
                                >
                                > suspect it doesn't come with the $80 set :^ ). The full set of
                                > fire
                                >
                                > tools is usually more around $250. A 'student' quality kohro is
                                >
                                > something like $80.... all of which is too much $ for me. So, I
                                >
                                > compromise and study the tools and make my own or buy substitutes
                                >
                                > (I'd rather spend my $ on the koh). For the kohro, I have found
                                > some
                                >
                                > reasonable substitute tea cups (although they do not have
                                >
                                > the 'tripod' feet, so you must be a bit more careful about heat).
                                >
                                > I've been picking some nice bowls for burning the chips.
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > You are most certainly right about practicing with the raw
                                > materials
                                >
                                > to learn them... it is not easy to distinguish them (but it's fun!).
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > I was considering a 'raw materials' class where we burn the basic
                                >
                                > ingredients that go into Japanese incense individually to learn
                                > about
                                >
                                > them better... sort of a take on the way wine students learn about
                                >
                                > wines by smelling a variety of scents that are used to describe them.
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > Irene
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > --- In sca-jml@yahoogroups.com, Solveig <nostrand@a...> wrote:
                                >
                                > > Noble Cousin!
                                >
                                > >
                                >
                                > > Greetings from Solveig! Only $80 for Koh tools and a ginan! Where
                                >
                                > > are you finding this stuff? Japanese artsy stuff can be quite
                                >
                                > expensivve.
                                >
                                > > You also need a kohro, rather spiffy charcoal sticks, ashes,
                                > &c. to
                                >
                                > > do incense the way that I very briefly studied it. I strongly
                                >
                                > suggest
                                >
                                > > working with chips of a single substance at first until you have
                                >
                                > > trained your nose to recognize individual aromas. One of the
                                >
                                > standard
                                >
                                > > incense games is to pass around a reference aroma and then
                                > several
                                >
                                > other
                                >
                                > > aromas. The guests then try to pick which aroma matched the
                                >
                                > reference
                                >
                                > > aroma.
                                >
                                > >
                                >
                                > > Note. By briefly, I do mean brief. I only have two incense
                                > ceremony
                                > > menjo.
                                >
                                > > --
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                                >
                                > > Solveig Throndardottir
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                              • Irene Madhaidin
                                Greetings, Solveig! A fairly complete listening set , including some fire tools (brass, not silver), the cup, the mica chip (very delicate... I have a backup
                                Message 15 of 18 , Jun 24, 2003
                                  Greetings, Solveig!

                                  A fairly complete 'listening set', including some fire tools (brass,
                                  not silver), the cup, the mica chip (very delicate... I have a backup
                                  chip), the ash and some woods may be found at the incens apothecary
                                  for $150. I think this is the best price I've seen for these
                                  materials, all of which is needed for kodo. The woods alone can be
                                  very expensive. But I have not bought it so I cannot personally
                                  speak for its quality.
                                  http://www.incense-apothecary.com/kodo/utsusemi1.htm

                                  My favorite 'raw materials' site also has the kodo cup for $75:
                                  http://www.scents-of-earth.com/kohdohcupinb.html

                                  And, since I'm giving out URLs, I might as well pass along my
                                  favorite incense site (they supply Baeido... which is the yummiest
                                  and best quality incense I've encountered in my short and humble
                                  journey through the world of koh).
                                  www.sensia.com
                                  They have a lot of incense on their site. May I recommend that you
                                  ignore them, go straight to the pull down menu and look for Baeido?

                                  Mica chips are, to this student's uneducated eye, ridiculously
                                  expensive. But I like them and so I buy them, usually from Sensia.
                                  A piece of tin foil will work as well as mica.. but somehow, while
                                  substituting a nice looking teacup for a kodo cup is ok, tin foil
                                  instead of mica just won't do! :^ )

                                  I hope that you will find this helpful.

                                  Yours in Service,
                                  Irene Madhaidin

                                  --- In sca-jml@yahoogroups.com, Solveig <nostrand@a...> wrote:
                                  > Noble Cousin!
                                  >
                                  > Greetings from Solveig! I was writing about the piece of mica with
                                  the
                                  > silver edge. I assume by "student quality" kouro you mean on of
                                  those
                                  > green ceramic mass produced items. $80 dollars sounds about right.
                                  Do
                                  > you know where to get them? Mine suffered an accident and their feet
                                  > are broken. The charcoal, however, is pretty much indispensable.
                                  >
                                  > As for studying koudou. The koudou classes which I took concentrated
                                  > on burning individual small wood chips.
                                  >
                                  > --
                                  >
                                  > Your Humble Servant
                                  > Solveig Throndardottir
                                  > Amateur Scholar
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                                • Irene Madhaidin
                                  Greetings to Kiri and other shibori fans! I think that I will make a trip to the textile museum over this summer! I keep forgetting to put it on my trip list.
                                  Message 16 of 18 , Jun 24, 2003
                                    Greetings to Kiri and other shibori fans!

                                    I think that I will make a trip to the textile museum over this
                                    summer! I keep forgetting to put it on my trip list.

                                    Vitha is teaching shibori again this summer at Pennsic. I highly
                                    recommend her class. Shibori was the basis of her thesis and in
                                    class she brought all of her samples, plus some awesome costumes with
                                    examples of shibori (she brought them from the Washington Opera).

                                    I have a shibori war story. My teenage daughter spent 3 solid days
                                    (about 30 hours in all) threading up a scarf using the 'wood grain'
                                    shibori technique. She did everything beautifully, showed zen-like
                                    patience and a professional dedication to perfection in her
                                    stitchery. I, her bumbling mother, did not thicken the dye enough
                                    and so, the dye penetrated all the way through the fabric. She was
                                    such a soldier about it. Row after row, for two hours, I watched her
                                    cut the threads she had so laboriously tied down earlier, pull apart
                                    the scarf... only to see a solid mass of color.

                                    Although she was clearly upset, she took it all so well. I asked if
                                    she hated shibori now, and she said no... she would try the spider
                                    web pattern... and if that comes out a solid mass, THEN she would
                                    hate shibori!

                                    I think that part of the problem also was that we were using habotai
                                    scarves (china silk), which are exceedlingly thin. Woodgrain
                                    technique is a stitched resist method, and stitching so thin a fabric
                                    is tricky for resist.

                                    http://www.shibori.org/tech/

                                    YIS,
                                    Irene


                                    --- In sca-jml@yahoogroups.com, ELAINE KOOGLER <ekoogler1@c...> wrote:
                                    > I love shibori...even have a wonderful book on it that I purchased
                                    from
                                    > the Textile Museum...a place you should visit if you haven't. They
                                    > have all sorts of wonderful things there. I would really love to
                                    try
                                    > it, but alas it has to wait with the number of other things that I
                                    > really want to do until my life gets a little less hectic!
                                    >
                                    > Kiri
                                    >
                                    > PS: I also have several wonderful examples of it...
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                  • Irene Madhaidin
                                    Kiri, Thank you for this suggestion. This is one of the best things about SCA.. that is, all the variety of interests and artists! I can provide some web
                                    Message 17 of 18 , Jun 24, 2003
                                      Kiri,

                                      Thank you for this suggestion. This is one of the best things about
                                      SCA.. that is, all the variety of interests and artists! I can
                                      provide some web sites for references, as well.

                                      --- In sca-jml@yahoogroups.com, ELAINE KOOGLER <ekoogler1@c...> wrote:
                                      > Irene,
                                      > There is a lady on this list from California who does pottery...in
                                      fact
                                      > she's apprenticed to one of the finest potters in the SCA...she is
                                      on
                                      > this list and I'm having a Monday morning brain drain, unable to
                                      > remember her name! At any rate, I suspect you might be able to get
                                      her
                                      > to make you the cups you need...with the requisite 3 feet!
                                      >
                                      > Kiri
                                      >
                                    • Bill Fornshell
                                      Hi, Have you ever looked at the book Opulence: The Komonos and Robes of Itchiku Kubota ISBN-0870116363. The book is out of print but you might find it at the
                                      Message 18 of 18 , Jun 24, 2003
                                        Hi, Have you ever looked at the book "Opulence: The
                                        Komonos and Robes of Itchiku Kubota" ISBN-0870116363.
                                        The book is out of print but you might find it at the
                                        library. My library search program shows copies
                                        located in at least 264 libraries. It is about Shibori
                                        taken to a level of art that is hard to believe. Your
                                        local library should be able to get it on Interlibrary
                                        loan if they don't have it. Bill

                                        --- Irene Madhaidin <ErginArtesia@...> wrote:
                                        > Greetings to Kiri and other shibori fans!
                                        >
                                        > I think that I will make a trip to the textile
                                        > museum over this
                                        > summer! I keep forgetting to put it on my trip
                                        > list.
                                        >
                                        > Vitha is teaching shibori again this summer at
                                        > Pennsic. I highly
                                        > recommend her class. Shibori was the basis of her
                                        > thesis and in
                                        > class she brought all of her samples, plus some
                                        > awesome costumes with
                                        > examples of shibori (she brought them from the
                                        > Washington Opera).
                                        >
                                        > I have a shibori war story. My teenage daughter
                                        > spent 3 solid days
                                        > (about 30 hours in all) threading up a scarf using
                                        > the 'wood grain'
                                        > shibori technique. She did everything beautifully,
                                        > showed zen-like
                                        > patience and a professional dedication to perfection
                                        > in her
                                        > stitchery. I, her bumbling mother, did not thicken
                                        > the dye enough
                                        > and so, the dye penetrated all the way through the
                                        > fabric. She was
                                        > such a soldier about it. Row after row, for two
                                        > hours, I watched her
                                        > cut the threads she had so laboriously tied down
                                        > earlier, pull apart
                                        > the scarf... only to see a solid mass of color.
                                        >
                                        > Although she was clearly upset, she took it all so
                                        > well. I asked if
                                        > she hated shibori now, and she said no... she would
                                        > try the spider
                                        > web pattern... and if that comes out a solid mass,
                                        > THEN she would
                                        > hate shibori!
                                        >
                                        > I think that part of the problem also was that we
                                        > were using habotai
                                        > scarves (china silk), which are exceedlingly thin.
                                        > Woodgrain
                                        > technique is a stitched resist method, and stitching
                                        > so thin a fabric
                                        > is tricky for resist.
                                        >
                                        > http://www.shibori.org/tech/
                                        >
                                        > YIS,
                                        > Irene
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > --- In sca-jml@yahoogroups.com, ELAINE KOOGLER
                                        > <ekoogler1@c...> wrote:
                                        > > I love shibori...even have a wonderful book on it
                                        > that I purchased
                                        > from
                                        > > the Textile Museum...a place you should visit if
                                        > you haven't. They
                                        > > have all sorts of wonderful things there. I would
                                        > really love to
                                        > try
                                        > > it, but alas it has to wait with the number of
                                        > other things that I
                                        > > really want to do until my life gets a little less
                                        > hectic!
                                        > >
                                        > > Kiri
                                        > >
                                        > > PS: I also have several wonderful examples of
                                        > it...
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        >
                                        >



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