[SCA-JML] Re: Fealty and Nihonjin in the Society
- <Froth mode on> This notion of a "generic Western medieval court" is
pure horse manure at best. (Note, horse manure can at least be used
for fertilizer, so I am being generous.) Some of the folks who have
vociferously argued again Japanese at Society events have put forward
counterfactual conjectures concerning the pope's reaction to Japanese
and all sorts of other sillyness.
>>>>Oh Amen Sister! I mean, I wasn't trying to imply that I buy any of the
Society's official protestations. I mean, what indeed would a 10th century
noblewoman from Heian-kyo being doing so far from the Capital? Surely she
would have died of loneliness if the journey went farther than Suma...
What I was trying to get across is that you don't have to do Japanese fealty
relationships just because you are Japanese. You can do Japanese or Western
and both would work in the context of the Society. I was saying that we
have a choice. Personally I chose to do things as the Heian-jidai court
would have done it. But as you well know, many of those things are
difficult or impossible. So I try to get as close as I can. But I
certainly wouldn't blame two Japanese personae for having a Western-style
>>>>Now then, Japanese kinship patterns can be very interesting. One
notion of family found in Japan was that a family consisted of a
group of cohabitating people. So in that sense, yes you would
become a member of another family if you were in certain kinds
of relationships. Some of the final tea certificates collected
by tea masters today make them cadet members of house which they
have been studying under. The problem with doing this
in the Society is that we are not well set up to accomodate this
sort of thing. This is actually a problem for in-depth recreation
of quite a few groups and not just Japanese or East Asians. If
you will recall, Western Nobility regulalry farmed out their
children to other nobles and Western apprentices went to live
with their masters. But, as modern people, we have difficult
organizing our lives this way at Pennsic and similar events.
Ohohashi Dono was land agent for a group of people who mundanely
live close to each other. His was a very good encampment, but it
was not really (to the best of my limitted knowledge) a theme
encampment. What you can of course do is imagine that you live
with Ohashi on a regular basis and that you are also a member
of some other association which perpetuates your attachment to
>>>>Yes, I would be happier if it worked better according to the Japanese model,
but... The only theme of House Thornwood is "ARCHERY"! But that's cool.
That's them. Toshi's household is not Japanese at all but mine is and I
prefer to stick with mine even though he is my Master (of course this caused
some confusion at first with my oyakata-sama who thought I was leaving the
household...). In my apprenticeship arrangement my ties to my household
were honoured, though that was a little weird...
Thanks for fleshing all this out.