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  • richard johnson
    I m going through the Lone Wolf series and noticed a trend. In so many of these films, the Yagyu Clan are the evil ones. Why? Because they held the favor of
    Message 1 of 5 , Jul 24, 2014
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      I'm going through the Lone Wolf series and noticed a trend.
      In so many of these films, the Yagyu Clan are the evil ones.

      Why?

      Because they held the favor of the Shogun at the expense of the Emperor and so, in modern times when the Emperor regained power, symbolized the shogun's emasculating the Divine Emperor?

      --
      Rick Johnson
      http://Rick-Johnson.webs.com
      "Those who give up a little freedom in return for a little imagined security will soon find that they have neither."
    • scott shores
      one notable exception of course is Yagyu Jubie.  But then again he took the life of a wanderer... Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android one notable exception of
      Message 2 of 5 , Jul 24, 2014
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        one notable exception of course is Yagyu Jubie. But then again he took the life of a wanderer...

        Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android



        From: richard johnson rikjohnson39@... [sca-jml] <sca-jml@yahoogroups.com>;
        To: SCA-Jap <sca-jml@yahoogroups.com>;
        Subject: [SCA-JML] Yagyu
        Sent: Fri, Jul 25, 2014 1:27:13 AM

         

        I'm going through the Lone Wolf series and noticed a trend.
        In so many of these films, the Yagyu Clan are the evil ones.

        Why?

        Because they held the favor of the Shogun at the expense of the Emperor and so, in modern times when the Emperor regained power, symbolized the shogun's emasculating the Divine Emperor?

        --
        Rick Johnson
        http://Rick-Johnson.webs.com
        "Those who give up a little freedom in return for a little imagined security will soon find that they have neither."
      • richard johnson
        in a lot of the films, Jubei is still a villain On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 6:31 PM, scott shores cuandubh@yahoo.com [sca-jml]
        Message 3 of 5 , Jul 24, 2014
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          in a lot of the films, Jubei is still a villain


          On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 6:31 PM, scott shores cuandubh@... [sca-jml] <sca-jml@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
           

          one notable exception of course is Yagyu Jubie. But then again he took the life of a wanderer...

          Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android



          From: richard johnson rikjohnson39@... [sca-jml] <sca-jml@yahoogroups.com>;
          To: SCA-Jap <sca-jml@yahoogroups.com>;
          Subject: [SCA-JML] Yagyu
          Sent: Fri, Jul 25, 2014 1:27:13 AM

           

          I'm going through the Lone Wolf series and noticed a trend.
          In so many of these films, the Yagyu Clan are the evil ones.

          Why?

          Because they held the favor of the Shogun at the expense of the Emperor and so, in modern times when the Emperor regained power, symbolized the shogun's emasculating the Divine Emperor?

          --
          Rick Johnson
          http://Rick-Johnson.webs.com
          "Those who give up a little freedom in return for a little imagined security will soon find that they have neither."




          --
          Rick Johnson
          http://Rick-Johnson.webs.com
          "Those who give up a little freedom in return for a little imagined security will soon find that they have neither."
        • JL Badgley
          Yagyu Munenori was selected by the Shogun as sword instructors, after Tokugawa Ieyasu sought out his father for a demonstration of Shinkage Ryu. However, there
          Message 4 of 5 , Jul 24, 2014
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            Yagyu Munenori was selected by the Shogun as sword instructors, after Tokugawa Ieyasu sought out his father for a demonstration of Shinkage Ryu.  However, there are a lot of popular theories that the Yagyu were actually spies for the Tokugawa; that when Muneyoshi gave up being a general, it was actually so that he could run a secret spy network.  Regardless of the truth or fiction, the Yagyu are often depicted as the spies and enforcers of the early Tokugawa Shoguns.  As such they are often foils for heroes who, in a Robin Hood fashion, are "honorable outlaws" against the "injustice" of the harsh Tokugawa regime.

            This goes into a lot of modern politics and how it affects your view of history.  To some conservatives, and businessmen, the Tokugawa are often seen as a strong visionary who brought about peace, while Toyotomi Hideyoshi was a paranoid megalomaniac whose reach exceeded his grasp.  However, if you are more populist minded then you might see Hideyoshi as the peasant who showed that anyone could rise to the top, while the Tokugawa represent the harsh rule of the establishment, ruling through force and intimidation.  As usual, history isn't nearly so black and white.


            -Ii


            On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 9:27 PM, richard johnson rikjohnson39@... [sca-jml] <sca-jml@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


            I'm going through the Lone Wolf series and noticed a trend.
            In so many of these films, the Yagyu Clan are the evil ones.

            Why?

            Because they held the favor of the Shogun at the expense of the Emperor and so, in modern times when the Emperor regained power, symbolized the shogun's emasculating the Divine Emperor?

            --
            Rick Johnson
            http://Rick-Johnson.webs.com
            "Those who give up a little freedom in return for a little imagined security will soon find that they have neither."



          • Michael
            The Yagyu were traitors, while being sworn to fight for the side supporting the heir of Hideyoshi, they had made secret arrangements to fight for the Tokugawa
            Message 5 of 5 , Jul 25, 2014
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              The Yagyu were traitors, while being sworn to fight for the side supporting the heir of Hideyoshi, they had made secret arrangements to fight for the Tokugawa and in the middle of the battle, after having sat and done nothing for the opening encounters, sided with Ieyasu' army.

              As we all have differing opinions about history, Toyotomi Hideyoshi was a megalomaniacal peasant that had no right to the Shogunate let alone to carry two swords.  Ieyasu seemed to get what he wanted, which was an end to the wars that Daimyo all over the country plotted and planned and murdered and betrayed to gain a little more.  His father died at the age of 23, his grandfather died at the age of 25.  Some argue sickness, others assassination.  Maybe Ieyasu wanted to be the first of his like to meet his grandchildren, or even watch his children grow up.

              But Yagyu, no matter if the changed from losing side to winning side, or from good guys to bad guys... they are traitors, plain and simple.
               


              On Thursday, July 24, 2014 7:38 PM, "JL Badgley tatsushu@... [sca-jml]" <sca-jml@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


               
              Yagyu Munenori was selected by the Shogun as sword instructors, after Tokugawa Ieyasu sought out his father for a demonstration of Shinkage Ryu.  However, there are a lot of popular theories that the Yagyu were actually spies for the Tokugawa; that when Muneyoshi gave up being a general, it was actually so that he could run a secret spy network.  Regardless of the truth or fiction, the Yagyu are often depicted as the spies and enforcers of the early Tokugawa Shoguns.  As such they are often foils for heroes who, in a Robin Hood fashion, are "honorable outlaws" against the "injustice" of the harsh Tokugawa regime.

              This goes into a lot of modern politics and how it affects your view of history.  To some conservatives, and businessmen, the Tokugawa are often seen as a strong visionary who brought about peace, while Toyotomi Hideyoshi was a paranoid megalomaniac whose reach exceeded his grasp.  However, if you are more populist minded then you might see Hideyoshi as the peasant who showed that anyone could rise to the top, while the Tokugawa represent the harsh rule of the establishment, ruling through force and intimidation.  As usual, history isn't nearly so black and white.


              -Ii


              On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 9:27 PM, richard johnson rikjohnson39@... [sca-jml] <sca-jml@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


              I'm going through the Lone Wolf series and noticed a trend.
              In so many of these films, the Yagyu Clan are the evil ones.

              Why?

              Because they held the favor of the Shogun at the expense of the Emperor and so, in modern times when the Emperor regained power, symbolized the shogun's emasculating the Divine Emperor?

              --
              Rick Johnson
              http://rick-johnson.webs.com/
              "Those who give up a little freedom in return for a little imagined security will soon find that they have neither."





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