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  • agnesvonh
    I greatly apologize for this post as I imagine it has been covered however the new set up for Yahoo Groups seems to be missing a way to search without knowing
    Message 1 of 5 , Sep 18, 2013
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      I greatly apologize for this post as I imagine it has been covered however the new set up for Yahoo Groups seems to be missing a way to search without knowing a specific message number. Anyway on to my question.

       

      I am planning on ordering some silk to work with from Dharma Trading. I am wondering what other members of the group prefer for their silk when ordering for making Kosode. Thanks

      Agnes

    • LJonthebay
      If you re not sure what you want, get their swatch set first. It ll give you an idea of what the various weights are like. Habotai is very drapy and you ll
      Message 2 of 5 , Sep 18, 2013
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        If you're not sure what you want, get their swatch set first. It'll give you an idea of what the various weights are like.

        Habotai is very drapy and you'll need to starch the crap out of it to give it any body, possibly even line it. Even the 16mm is very "blousy."

        Dupioni, while somewhat slubby, at least has some decent body to it. I've used that for outer garments in the past with some success. It's also very paintable, though you may experience tiny bleeds along slubs.

        Silk satin is great, but pricy.

        Avoid noil if you can. It's cheap and takes dye as well as any other silk, but it has a tendency to pill with wear. It also sometimes has a faint odor.

        (I usually prefer linen for anything close to the skin, because it breathes well and can be laundered safely. It's also a reasonable substitute for hemp.)

        Hope this helps!

        Saionji no Hana, OL, West
      • robochelle
        I can say without a doubt that you don t want silk charmeuse (yes, I tried it. It is now comfy pj s but not stiff or full enough for the uchigi I had planned.)
        Message 3 of 5 , Sep 18, 2013
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          I can say without a doubt that you don't want silk charmeuse (yes, I tried it.  It is now comfy pj's but not stiff or full enough for the uchigi I had planned.)


          I agree with Saionji san about the Dupioni.  In my research on the subject, you just can't get period woven fabric commercially, and Dupioni is the next closest thing.  If this is your kosode, and may be the layer touching your skin, make sure you can stand the texture of it (I, personally, can't)  So I found other options.  This site is very helpful for looking at the weave of period fabric:


          http://www.emuseum.jp/detail/101134/002?word=&d_lang=en&s_lang=en&class=&title=&c_e=&region=&era=&cptype=&owner=&pos=113&num=3&mode=detail&century=


          On this site, you can zoom so close you can actually see the weaves on period clothing! 


          I found it very useful to look at, before deciding on my own fabrics.

          Hojo no Ritsuko


          --- In sca-jml@yahoogroups.com, <wodeford@...> wrote:

          If you're not sure what you want, get their swatch set first. It'll give you an idea of what the various weights are like.

          Habotai is very drapy and you'll need to starch the crap out of it to give it any body, possibly even line it. Even the 16mm is very "blousy."

          Dupioni, while somewhat slubby, at least has some decent body to it. I've used that for outer garments in the past with some success. It's also very paintable, though you may experience tiny bleeds along slubs.

          Silk satin is great, but pricy.

          Avoid noil if you can. It's cheap and takes dye as well as any other silk, but it has a tendency to pill with wear. It also sometimes has a faint odor.

          (I usually prefer linen for anything close to the skin, because it breathes well and can be laundered safely. It's also a reasonable substitute for hemp.)

          Hope this helps!

          Saionji no Hana, OL, West
        • Ishiyama Gen'tarou Yori'ie
          ... Short answer: Buy the heaviest weight habotai you can afford. I also like their silk twill (12 momme). ... As a base layer I find it uncomfortable, but as
          Message 4 of 5 , Sep 18, 2013
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            Agnes wrote:
            > I am planning on ordering some silk to work with from Dharma Trading.
            > I am wondering what other members of the group prefer for their silk
            > when ordering for making Kosode. Thanks

            Short answer: Buy the heaviest weight habotai you can afford.

            I also like their silk twill (12 momme).

            Saionji shonagon wrote:
            > Habotai is very drapy and you'll need to starch the crap out of it
            > to give it any body, possibly even line it. Even the 16mm is very
            > "blousy."

            As a base layer I find it uncomfortable, but as a mid- or top layer
            with other fabrics I think it's just fine. I have to spend the whole
            day keeping my sleeve ends out of the food, but soie la vie.

            --
            THL Ishiyama Gen'tarou Yori'ie
            (mka: Elliott C. Evans)
            ishiyama@...
            http://www.ee0r.com/sca/ishiyama.html
          • Carey Marquardt
            Thank you for the input. I have used silk from them before but wanted to get a little more input on what others thought appropriate types/weights were for the
            Message 5 of 5 , Sep 19, 2013
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              Thank you for the input. I have used silk from them before but wanted to get a little more input on what others thought appropriate types/weights were for the silk.
              Agnes

              From: Ishiyama Gen'tarou Yori'ie <ishiyama@...>
              To: sca-jml@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 6:16 PM
              Subject: Re: [SCA-JML] Silk
               
              Agnes wrote:
              > I am planning on ordering some silk to work with from Dharma Trading.
              > I am wondering what other members of the group prefer for their silk
              > when ordering for making Kosode. Thanks

              Short answer: Buy the heaviest weight habotai you can afford.

              I also like their silk twill (12 momme).

              Saionji shonagon wrote:
              > Habotai is very drapy and you'll need to starch the crap out of it
              > to give it any body, possibly even line it. Even the 16mm is very
              > "blousy."

              As a base layer I find it uncomfortable, but as a mid- or top layer
              with other fabrics I think it's just fine. I have to spend the whole
              day keeping my sleeve ends out of the food, but soie la vie.

              --
              THL Ishiyama Gen'tarou Yori'ie
              (mka: Elliott C. Evans)
              ishiyama@...
              http://www.ee0r.com/sca/ishiyama.html
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