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  • Barbara Nostrand
    Noble Cousin! Greetings from Solveig! As I recall DDK wasn t all that bad except that you had to pay a rather hefty installation fee up front. For the most
    Message 1 of 6 , Dec 5, 2000
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      Re: (OOP) idiosyncrasies of japanese telephone system
      Noble Cousin!

      Greetings from Solveig! As I recall DDK wasn't all that bad except that you had to pay a rather
      hefty installation fee up front. For the most part, pay phones in Japan ten years ago are still
      superior to most pay phones in the United States and comparable to pay phones in Canada.
      Yes. There can be annoyances with new services and service test areas. Despite the fact
      that I lived in a city which was one of two cities where they were testing digital telephony, I
      could not subscribe to any of the new digital services. That was disappointing, but actually
      fairly understandable if you take into account how telephone exchanges operate. Incidentally,
      I helped develop some of the Japanese central exchange equipment.

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    • Gara of Lions Gate
      I am actually starting with tele-hodai as of the 16th of December (that s the beginning of the billing month, they won t do it sooner). I was originally on
      Message 2 of 6 , Dec 5, 2000
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        I am actually starting with tele-hodai as of the 16th of December (that's the beginning of the billing month, they won't do it sooner).  I was originally on something called ai-ai plan 3000, which gives you 7500 yen worth of dial-up calls for only 3000.  I soon realized that I was online ALOT between the times of 11 pm and 8 am (which are the actual times for tele-hodai).  Unfortunately I thought I could subscribe to both plans, but I'm told it's one or the other.
         
        And don't even get me started on the crappy telephone system!!  LOL.  For anybody that has lived in Japan and knows how behind the times they are with internet stuff, you might get a laugh out of this:  the Japanese government's plan is that within 5 years, every household in Japan will have 24 hour internet service, at the cheapest cost in the world.  To that I say "HAH!".  First they will have to reform their whole telephone system.
         
        I suppose I "should" give them credit for trying though.  Currently, NTT has a plan called FLETS ISDN (don't ask me why I capitalize it... only because they do I guess), where a person with ISDN service can have unlimited dial-up for only 4500 yen per month.  Now that is what I want!  Unfortunately, although the service is in my city, it's not hooked up for my particular telephone exchange yet, and they told me to try back in MARCH!!!!  Can you tell I'm a little upset about this?  lol.
         
        Sorry for those of you that are bored by this, I don't mean to spam the list, but if even one person gets a chuckle out of it then I guess I'm vindicated.  For those of you that are bored, stop here and delete.  Otherwise I will tell you one more funny thing.
         
        The last time I called NTT to inquire about when FLETS ISDN would be available in my city, I called the English information number.  The way they do this is that the customer service rep that speaks English calls up the NTT office in your city, and asks them in Japanese while you're on the line.  Since my question was a little bit complicated (why?  I don't know), the English rep and the local NTT rep were going back and forth discussing it.  Finally, when the rep started to explain everything back to me, I said to her "yeah I got all of that, but that's not even what my question really was"... and I proceeded to speak to the local NTT person in Japanese.  It was one of those situations you would laugh at if you weren't so frustrated with the whole system.  I'm sure they were both wondering why I had bothered calling up the English service line, but it's always handy just in case you can't quite get your point across!
         
        Okay, I'll shut up now!  It's just nice to be able to vent my frustrations about some things Japanese on the off chance that somebody might "get" it... something my family and friends back home fail to do... and to tell my local friends this is even worse, because they think I'm criticizing their system, lol!
         
        Gara
         
         
         
         
        Gara of Lions Gate wrote:

        > Greetings again, I started back at the beginning and am now at post
        > #52 of 2287.  Yes I'm a little bit baka, but I have alot of hima (free
        > time) on my hands, what can I say!  The only drawback is the
        > exhorbitant cost of dial-up service here in Japan, and I'm crossing my
        > fingers that ISDN will soon come to my city. Anyhow, I'm posting again
        > to ask for suggestions of places to visit in my area (Tochigi-ken,
        > Oyama-shi... close to the border of Ibaraki, Saitama, and Gunma
        > prefectures).  I've been to Nikko once, but that was only for a brief
        > visit, on the day of the Festival of 1000 Samurais.  I did take a few
        > pictures that I am waiting to get scanned. I have a car, so I can
        > either take the train or go by car if it's not too far a distance.
        > Let me know if you have any recommendations!

        You need one of those tele-hodai set-ups. I had some friends in Tokyo
        who did that (Jim 'n' Constance), and the dial-in was the free call, but
        only between ten pm and seven am. Crappy system.

        I love Japan, but I *hate* the way they do telephones.

        As to places to visit: drop me a line again in a week or so (after term
        papers are gone and finals are finalized) and I'll have time to give you
        some good recs.

        Effingham
      • Barbara Nostrand
        Lady Gara! Well. That is the consequence of living in company housing. Actually, why not ask your company if you can change exchanges? If you approach it
        Message 3 of 6 , Dec 6, 2000
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          Re: (OOP) idiosyncrasies of japanese telephone system
          Lady Gara!

          Well. That is the consequence of living in company housing. Actually, why not ask your company
          if you can change exchanges? If you approach it correctly, you might get them to let you do it.
          Try playing up the loneliness angle. They expect you to be a bit lonely.

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        • Gara of Lions Gate
          Re: (OOP) idiosyncrasies of japanese telephone systemhehe, maybe I should just get a pay phone instead. j/k. I don t think that it s their equipment that s
          Message 4 of 6 , Dec 6, 2000
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            Re: (OOP) idiosyncrasies of japanese telephone system
            hehe, maybe I should just get a pay phone instead.  j/k.  I don't think that it's their equipment that's bad, just their service.  It's not even a matter of being "bad" actually, the problem is that their way of seeing and approaching things is so completely different from the West, that it drives us foreigners crazy.  And as for the telephone line, I can't change it, because it belongs to the people I work for... I just pay the monthly bill.  Otherwise I would change my phone number to one of the exchanges that already has the service I want.
             
            Gara
             
             
             
            Noble Cousin!

            Greetings from Solveig! As I recall DDK wasn't all that bad except that you had to pay a rather
            hefty installation fee up front. For the most part, pay phones in Japan ten years ago are still
            superior to most pay phones in the United States and comparable to pay phones in Canada.
            Yes. There can be annoyances with new services and service test areas. Despite the fact
            that I lived in a city which was one of two cities where they were testing digital telephony, I
            could not subscribe to any of the new digital services. That was disappointing, but actually
            fairly understandable if you take into account how telephone exchanges operate. Incidentally,
            I helped develop some of the Japanese central exchange equipment.

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          • Barbara Nostrand
            Lady Gara! Ahh. I m not quite done making suggestions yet. Explain to them that your grand mother or better yet your mother lives in Halifax and wants to have
            Message 5 of 6 , Dec 7, 2000
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              Re: (OOP) idiosyncrasies of japanese telephone system
              Lady Gara!

              Ahh. I'm not quite done making suggestions yet. Explain to them that your grand mother or
              better yet your mother lives in Halifax and wants to have on-line electronic conversations with
              you. I'm sure that they do not want you to use their computer a 1:00 AM. Remember,
              respect for parents and saving money can both be treated as ultimate goods in Japan.
              Would the different line have a higher monthly rate? One other thing, I would not expect
              them to foot the bill for the installation.

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            • Gara of Lions Gate
              Re: (OOP) idiosyncrasies of japanese telephone systemNah, see I m in a bit of an odd situation. I work for a juku (private cram school) and I am the only
              Message 6 of 6 , Dec 7, 2000
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                Re: (OOP) idiosyncrasies of japanese telephone system
                Nah, see I'm in a bit of an odd situation.  I work for a juku (private cram school) and I am the only foreign teacher.  The other two teachers are the owner and her daughter.  I hate to say this, but they're cheapskates.  For example, the end part (nozzle?) for the hose on my vacuum cleaner is missing, and I told them the first week I got here.  They said they would replace it.  That was three months ago.  In the mean time, I have to get down on all fours to vacuum.  I've reminded them twice, and they conveniently keep forgetting.
                 
                Also, when they hand me my pay each month, they "remind" me not to waste my money.  I haven't even told them I bought a computer, because they'd probably wig out.  They have a computer and internet access at their house, and they would expect me to use it since it's already there.
                 
                In the mean time I'll just have to deal with the setup I have.  Hey, it beats making phone calls home out of loneliness.  My predecessor racked up a $1700 phone bill in her first month.
                 
                Gara 
                 
                 

                Lady Gara!

                Well. That is the consequence of living in company housing. Actually, why not ask your company
                if you can change exchanges? If you approach it correctly, you might get them to let you do it.
                Try playing up the loneliness angle. They expect you to be a bit lonely.

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