Re: Combat styles & useage
- Greetings to you my friend,
Now I cant really comment on the SCA attitudes and changes but about
the use of samurai style of fighting against european (namely dark
age and 10-12 century live steel) is something I can say a few
The one important thing I have found is that you cant be front row
in a shield wall, your just another corpse especially if they have
spearmen, you need to work more as a skirmisher, you just cant hold
the line and be able to defend and attack.
The main issues I face is the "the round eyed cowards who hide
behind their shields!", if you come up against a skilled sheild
user you can sometimes use stepping or dashing to get around
them.... usually having to resort to fakes to land a blow. I.E.
fake 2 head shots to either side head then come in for a blow under
their shield and draw cut past going across the gut.
The other most effective method of kills is to go for a setup, but
this can only work a few times before they work out how to defeat
*drop down to a low guard shifting your weight a little more forward
*defend all blows but return to low guard
*once a head shot is incoming, step in and slap parry the blow
*continue past with a slice or reap drawcut, or to be safe step past
and turn to face and can kill with a head blow or body shot.
The other is to get a Naginata. The different stances and flowing
style is not something every fighter faces so most get intimidated
by it. Even the size can put some people off. I use a average size
one of 2' blade on a 5 1/2' shaft, most get surprised at how fast it
can move, and that the force of a good hit with the right weight
ishizuki can stop a shield advance, and knock that shield down ready
for a head blow.
The problem with using a naginata is that its best moves cant be
used as would be unsafe in live steel combat, and the rest require
the right gauntlet for you to have the dexterity control and grip
that is needed. I had to ditch my safe protective steel clamshell
for a custom chainmaille mitten. I kept the tekko plate and have
the index finger in its own slot and the last three in one. Just
had to make sure have good 1/2" padding and your safe.
anyway got a little offtrack then, for formal martial arts, I
havent had much but the Bujinkan training has taught me alot, I
have even taken to the field with no weapons and defended myself for
a couple minutes, with just stepping out the way and stepping in and
blocking them from the wrist or forearm, till one guy got a little
over zealous and hit me in the mouth.
I can comment on one other style but from a outside view. We have
had one guy try to use kendo style and was always getting cleaned
up. It seened he telegraphed his moves to much, dont know really if
that was from the style or how he fought.
Hope this helps
--- In email@example.com, "David" <txpiper2001@...> wrote:
> Greetings noble cousins,
> I have been on an extended haitus from heavy weapons and am
> considering returning to the field. Naturally, I would like to
> in which direction SCA heavy weapons combat has gone. When last I
> took to the field of honorable combat, the vast majority of
> were of the rhinohide or "win at all costs, losing is not an
> varieties, hence my disillusion with it. (I am in Ansteorra) I
> few simple questions for those who have formal martial weapons
> training. (ie. kendo, kenjutsu, iaido, aikido, etc)
> 1. To what extent do you use your martial style on the field?
> styles do you use?
> 2. How successful have you and/or your techniques been against
> "traditional" SCA western european styles?
> ...and now for the eternal question...
> 3. How do you think a real samurai would fare in combat against a
> european fighter of the same skill level assuming each used only
> respective styles?
> (yes, I am looking for any edge I can garner against the round eyed
> cowards who hide behind their shields!)
> Ishikawa Moritake
> ps. for those of you who might have attended Steppes Warlord this
> weekend, I hope you weren't rained out too badly.
- There is still a lot of rhinohiding, a lot of whining "he hit me too hard", and a lot of baronial,etc. politics.
I've studied some kenjutsu and I've read a lot of quality works such as the Book of Five Rings and others. I don't claim to be an overall expert, but I have a good general knowledge and I've seen a few matchups such as you've described. My best friend is the son of a knight who has grown up fighting with the SCA and he matched up with a 3rd degree black belt sensei in kenjutsu and iaido who was new to the SCA. The kenjutsu man was skilled, but had a lot of time adjusting in the beginning. My friend was much more adaptable in the combat situations while the kenjutsu sensei was a lot more rigid and regimental in his style. After a few hours their matches became a closer to being equal, but I'm not sure a less skilled practicioner would have been able to adjust as well to unfamiliar styles. They were not even fighting radically different styles as they were fighting longsword vs longsword. I'd say it varies a lot. My friend is fairly skilled in the basics (though at times
rusty) and has very, very good reflexes. He also has a sharp mind. I think combat has a lot of variances and standard SCA combat also has a lot of weaknesses. Adaptability is not one of them though. Quite often with martial arts adaptability is a big problem. It can become far too regimented and practioners fall into set routines and overly rigid combat systems. Combat has changed since the Mejii Era and it is also quite hard to compare modern systems with older ones. SCA combat is also far different than a lot of more period styles such as depicted in historical combat manuals. Its really hard to apply historical impetus to two people fighting in modern style without really going into it deep.
As to the samurai question heres a good link that would answer your question better than I. You have to understand that with the type of question you asked you're going to get a lot of unknowledgable biased answers. Especially when dealing with the mysticism and myths of the samurai.
The fish are biting.
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- Noble Cousins!
Greetings from Solveig!
> www.thearma.org/essays/knightvs.htmThe fundamental flaw that I possibly see with this article is the
possibility of misidentifying "samurai" with "knights" when the
samurai class should be identified with a class which includes
yoemen. Basically, the samurai were a large class which included
people whom you would think of as men at arms. The "knights"
of medieval Europe are a somewhat more elite group which
does not correspond with KSCA as KSCA corresponds more
closely to elite orders of knighthood such as the Order of the
Bath. Well, that's my two cents worth.
Your Humble Servant
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