Re: [SCA-JML] Name issue...
- *grabs the Samurai Sourcebook by Stephen Turnbull and flips to the page with Family Names on it*
The closest I can come to Subaru is Suibara. The names I see listed here.. none of them end in ru at all. But, then again, this is only one book.
oy2001 <Oy2001@...> wrote:
I may have to change my name in the SCA. What ever will I do?
Here's the deal: based on a remembered reading that the medieval (and
modern) name in Japan for the star cluster we call The Pleiades was/is
"Subaru" (pronounced, or so I remembered reading, with the emphasis on
the middle syllable, "suBAHru"). I am deeply attached to this star
cluster, so I made my name "Shichiro Subaru".
However, I cannot find any documentation of this prenom ANYWHERE, now
that it comes to it.
What then do I do? Can anyone lead me towards period documentation of
this name? Or should I give up and change my SCA first name to
"Saburou" which sounds similar and to which I am also attracted? If
so, can anyone make reccommendations on how to make this awkward
change go easier?
Flustered and polynominal,
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- On 10/19/06, oy2001 <Oy2001@...> wrote:
>Unfortunately, your position is not uncommon. When a friend and I
> I may have to change my name in the SCA. What ever will I do?
> Here's the deal: based on a remembered reading that the medieval (and
> modern) name in Japan for the star cluster we call The Pleiades was/is
> "Subaru" (pronounced, or so I remembered reading, with the emphasis on
> the middle syllable, "suBAHru"). I am deeply attached to this star
> cluster, so I made my name "Shichiro Subaru".
> However, I cannot find any documentation of this prenom ANYWHERE, now
> that it comes to it.
took 'names' for our Japanese class we ended up taking 'Ryuo' and
'Tatsushu' for no other reason than that they were listed in the name
book and had a single stroke different ('shu' v. 'ou') and we wanted
to give the teacher a hard time. Needless to say, when it came to
choosing a Japanese persona for the SCA, both these names (which I did
give some consideration to) went pretty quickly out the window (I
could possibly have justified 'Ryuo' as a locative, but it would have
My advice, at this point, is to do two things:
1) Go through books on Japanese family names and choose one that you
like. Remember, there are only a handful of names that will probably
be forbidden because it would be presumptuous (e.g. Toyotomi and
Tokugawa), so just about any family name you can date to pre-1600 is
workable. Even a lot of the older names (e.g. Imibe) stick around as
family names later on.
2) Go through similar sources for first names. It sounds like you
like 'Subaru', and 'Saborou' may be your choice, but look through them
and try them out. Sign your posts with them several times and see if
you like it.
As for getting people to recognize you for your new name, there are
several tricks I've heard of. One trick is don't care. If someone is
trying to get your attention, does it matter what name you use?
Heralds will usually (not always) ask about your name before calling
you into court.
You could likewise ignore people calling your 'old' name, or look at
them and ask 'are you talking to me?'--this can be off-putting, though
it works for some.
One thing someone I know tried with great effect was to bring candy to
the event. When they met someone that knew their 'old' name, they
would have them repeat the new name several times and then hand out
sweets to those who remembered to use the new name. This method was
the most loved by all, I do believe.
So, I hope that helps some. http://sengokudaimyo.com has some good
resources, and Solveig's book on Japanese names is also a great
source. Turnbull has some decent stuff, but it is limited and
sometimes harder to pass than just quoting chapter and verse from a
known name source like Solveig's book.
- Thanks Ii-dono. I LOVE that last suggestion. It's just the kind of nonsense I'd pull if I'd thought of it first, but I'll give you credit instead!
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- Noble Cousin!
Greetings from Solveig! Both Saburou (#3 son) and Shichirou (#7 son)
are numeric names which are typically middle names.
Generally speaking, neither uji names nor family names are based on
There is NO stress accent in Japanese. There IS pitch accent.
Daijirin has four entries which are read as "subaru"
1. The Japanese name for the Pleiades.
2. The name of a magazine named after the constellation.
3. A verb meaning to become small.
4. A verb meaning to gather together to become one.
None of these are the stuff of a family name or an uji. Neither are
the stuff of a nanori.
The accent pattern given for "subaru" (the constellation) is SUbaru
with SU taking a higher tone and the rest being lower and flat.
The way to stay deeply attached to the constellation is to adopt it
as your kamon. There is an example of a constellation being used in
Japanese heraldry. The way to do this is to draw the stars as dots
and connect them with lines,. HOWEVER, the College of Arms will
probably refuse to register this design using two arguments against
it: 1) The use of "thin line" heraldry, 2) Lack of recongnizability.
Your Humble Servant