Re: Re: Heisig's Method for Learning Kanji
> Of course none of this helps Otagiri-dono who wants to spend someAh ... there is no help for me. My swords are set in the obi as are
> serious time self-studying Japanese. Which books would you recommend as
> an alternative?
the extra sandles. Foolish or not, I have already begun this journey.
But if the learned on the list can provide references to alternate
approaches/books that can be used by rogue students, I am sure that
others might benefit (as will I if this path ends prematurely).
I have little doubt that an immersion method is superior in many
respects, but I don't see how to accomplish that alone and on the road.
(Tune of Green Acres)
Rote memorization is the way for me.
to learn two thousand Japanese kanji
with so many
gives me the language key.
(now ... Live! in VA!) Otagiri
- On Sun, 2 Jan 2005, Solveig wrote:
>> The Chinese and Japanese are people from well developed societies, theyE.g. 'To Kiss'--in Japanese you can say 'Kuchi(d)zukeru' but it is not the
>> have concepts and thoughts very similar to their Western counterparts.
>> I'm not a subscriber to Nihonron or any of that silliness.
> I am not a subscriber to nihonron either, but the notion that Japanese and
> English are equivalent is laughable. There are things which are easier and
> more natural to express in each of these languages. Even if something can
> be easily expressed in both languages does not mean that you will see a
> 1:1 word mapping.
same as 'to kiss', and when used in the English sense I've most often seen
the English ('kisu') used.
> From: Ii Saburou <logan@...>I seem to remember period Japanese didn't kiss like Westerners, chalk up
>E.g. 'To Kiss'--in Japanese you can say 'Kuchi(d)zukeru' but it is not the
>same as 'to kiss', and when used in the English sense I've most often seen
>the English ('kisu') used.
another one to corrupting Western influences ;) Most of our ancestors
would not understand many of our practices either. Hollywood, tourism
and everything else has radically changed the modern Japanese in a very
short period of time.
> From: Solveig <nostrand@...>Even afterwards. The current government had really lost the mandate of
>Greetings from Solveig! The Japanese were doing a very good job of nibbling
>away at China until the U.S. intervened in the late 1930's early 1940's.
> From: Solveig <nostrand@...>I agree, this is a very important reason. They really didn't do so badly
>Invading Korea and China was quite rational and a far better alternative
>than trying to follow the example of the Minamoto following the Genpei War.
>Basically, the Japanese had raised huge armies which expected loot. Not
>to mention the large number off defeated soldiers who needed someplace to
except that the Japanese naval forces stunk, this is not good for over
the water invasions.
>Remember the Iberians were there! The Japanese constructed fairly modernJapanese merchant vessels (at least to 1619) were limited to 250 koku
>(for the time) vessels toward the end of the sixteenth and the begining
>of the seventeenth centuries.
capacity (approx. 52.25 cubic meters). So probably about 30 feet (10
meters) long max. Adequate but not very impressive.
It is also known that at least one of the ships Will Adams constructed
for Ieyasu was of "more than 100 tons" (G. Sansom, _History of Japan,
1334-1615_, n. p. 403). A bit more impressive but later!
According to my book on Japanese Merchant Shipping, Date Masamune
(1566-1636) built a ship in his own fief to send to Rome. I suspect it
was at least a partial copy of Chinese/Korean or European vessels. It
apparently reached Mexico also! It was probably quite decent sized.
>From: Ii Saburou <logan@...>Especially for a folk who weren't really great sailors.
>If you look, there aren't easier pickings.
>Then Perry comes in his Black Ships and forcibly requires Japan to openIn a very short period of time too! In the mid 1880's they are about on
>its doors. Up and coming Japanese come to the realization that the world
>will come to them unless they learn to keep the world out, and they build
>up a Navy and Army that are able to dominate their section of the world,
>defeating both the Chinese and the Russians.
par with the US, which is less impressive than it sounds.
- Noble Cousin!
Greetings from Solveig!
>I agree, this is a very important reason. They really didn't do so badlyThe Korean take on things is not so much that the Japanese naval forces
>except that the Japanese naval forces stunk, this is not good for over
>the water invasions.
stunk, but that the Korean naval forces were really good. They do have a
point there. They had several turtles.
>In a very short period of time too! In the mid 1880's they are about onIt's still doing fairly well. Shortly afterward, the Japanese take on the
>par with the US, which is less impressive than it sounds.
Russians and win. The imperial navy mas modeled on the British navy and
the imperial army was modeled on the Prussian army. At the time, the
British was about the only real global navy. The Spanish were of course
in serious decline by this point and were dispatched by the Americans in
the Spanish-American War. The French Navy's fangs were pulled during the
Napoleonic Wars and the Germans were always a primarily continental power.
Equaling U.S. naval power during a period of projecting "manifest
destiny" overseas is significant. U.S. expatriots in Hawaii stage a
Coup d'Etat in 1893 and the Spanish American War was fought in 1898.
Your Humble Servant
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- On Thu, 6 Jan 2005, Solveig wrote:
> The Korean take on things is not so much that the Japanese naval forcesWhich is fairly well substantiated by the history of the region: The
> stunk, but that the Korean naval forces were really good. They do have a
> point there. They had several turtles.
Korean kingdoms were the ones that seem to have been doing much of the
coastal trade. It was Korean ships and crews that piloted the Mongols
over to Japan. I seem to recall it was even Korea that helped furnish the
tributary ships which made it down around the tip of Africa (and possibly
In fact, the Japanese invasion only really seems to have worked because
they caught the Koreans sleeping--they had no idea that an invasion was
coming, and after the Japanese landed it was too late. Once they realized
it, though, they played terrible havoc with the Japanese supply
lines--attributed as one of the main reasons for Japanese defeat on the