Re: [SCA-JML] Re: nunchaku, flails and tetsubo
Interesting reply. Am I really coming across as if I have some kind of
vested interest in all of this? I know that I've got a bit of an
anti-authoritarian streak in me, so I can be a little "contrary" at times.
Its just an *idea* I have - that it might be possible to make an SCA legal
flail or morningstar (though not a nunchaku, or course...). I'm not out to
hurt people or take risks at other people's expense. Its just that when
someone tells me I *can't* do something, my natural reaction is to at least
ask why... and if I'm not satsified with the answer, to try and do it
That said, I'm not actually interested in doing that right now. I'm too
absorbed with the latest fechtbuch to worry about building the perfect
flail (one day though, I just *know* it can be done....:)).
And of course we must keep our safety in mind. When someone suggests we
try something new and dangerous (like grappling or grabbing swords for
instance), I'm usually the first to say "no way"! I've got a regular job to
do that involves me being on call to restrain someone at a moment's notice.
I can't really afford to carry around any injuries. However, if it can be
proved to me that a new weapon or technique can be used safely, then I'm
all for it.
"Also remember we are "guests" of our Occidental friends in the SCA and
some weapons of the orient will not conform easily or at all to the Rules
of the List."
Ahhh... actually, I'm one of those "Occidental friends" at the moment. :)
I've been playing a Frenchman for the last seven years. But don't worry,
I'm not about to put together my oriental persona, march out onto the field
with a dangerous tetsubo or nunchaku or other untried weapon and demand
that people accept my weapon along with my new persona - thus ruining for
everyone else who wants to be Japanese. :p
Anyway... I'm perhaps getting a little overwrought over nothing. Sorry if I
got anyone else worried that I was about to test my opinions about the
potential safety of flails or tetsubos by trying one out on an unsuspecting
opponent at the next tourney. I'm sure my knight and my lady would be most
displeased if I did.
- Andre le hyakusho
- Konnichi wa, tomodachi,
Having replied earlier, I think it might be of interest that I once
convinced a local Marshalate to let me try, under "rigid
restrictions..." the use of an SCA version of a san setu bo - a
chinese style three sectional staff.
I was under no conditions allowed to flail it, or use it in "pinching
manouvers..."...but I was allowed to use it under trial conditins as a
sort of two weapon with a connected brace in the center.
I am well versed in real three sectional staff use, and know probably
all of the real applications for the thing. Knowing such, I was
allowed to "confine myself" to using only certain aspects of the weapon.
Did Samurai use it? - no. Could it be lethal against an armored
opponent? I doubt it would be any more effective than any other real
Was it fun? Hells yes!
The experiment went on for a summer, and I have to say, even trained
in the real uses, it was often "tempting" to use it beyond the SCA
In the end, we gave it up as an interesting, but not particularly
No one was harmed, and all went well. I like experimental weapons
forms - provided all possible "safty measures" are accounted for.
Date Saburou Yukiie
Yama Kaminari Ryu
Shi wa hei to de aru - all are equal in the grave
http://www.kabutographics (still under re-construction)
> Interesting reply. Am I really coming across as if I have some kind of
> vested interest in all of this? I know that I've got a bit of an
> anti-authoritarian streak in me, so I can be a little "contrary" at
> Its just an *idea* I have - that it might be possible to make an SCA
> flail or morningstar (though not a nunchaku, or course...) <hackedthe rest off...>
- I guess my thought on the whole experimental weapons is that you can do
just about any weapon, up to live steel, as long as your rules and skill
required fit that weapon. SCA goes for LCD, so we tend to not allow a lot
of weapons, require lots of armor, and carefully define where people can
and cannot hit.
Kendo, Fencing, and Atarashii Naginata have solved many problems (and
created others) by making light weapons and teaching people to control
Shindo Muso Ryu Jodo, from what I've seen, teaches control, has set forms,
but allows for variations on the forms as skill level increases to deal
with threatening situations.
Nakamura Ryu Happo Giri Toho relegates combat to two-man forms (kumitachi)
where the 'combatants' are doing set moves. As skill increases, live
blades are used.
Just a bit of comparison. All of them have their points and flaws, and it
has a lot to do with how things are meant to be. I do wish that we could
do more 'dojo' like classes with real or wooden weapons, test cutting, and
choreographed demos, and then have another part of the SCA for tournament
fighting, but because of the problems regulating such things, only the
last is really done all that much in the SCA (although the rules do not
strictly prohibit the others, if I read them correctly).