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  • Desjardins, Michel
    Ok, first I ve been lucky to find this wonderful resource : http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/solveig/nanori/
    Message 1 of 11 , Apr 1 7:06 AM
      Ok, first I've been lucky to find this wonderful resource :
      http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/solveig/nanori/
      <http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/solveig/nanori/>
      Combine with the name page of Effingham site it is a LOT of infos....

      So here is my proposed name:
      Yukihiro Michimasa

      Now, is it a good name ? How would you interpret it ? What would it say
      about me ?

      Thanks

      MIK now but maybe not for long :-)





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    • Ii Saburou
      ... Getting there. This is two nanori, as I read it, which would be like the name Alexander Joshua . Either one is nice as a nanori, though--I personally
      Message 2 of 11 , Apr 1 8:01 PM
        On Thu, 1 Apr 2004, Desjardins, Michel wrote:

        > Ok, first I've been lucky to find this wonderful resource :
        > http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/solveig/nanori/
        > <http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/solveig/nanori/>
        > Combine with the name page of Effingham site it is a LOT of infos....
        >
        > So here is my proposed name:
        > Yukihiro Michimasa
        >
        > Now, is it a good name ? How would you interpret it ? What would it say
        > about me ?

        Getting there. This is two nanori, as I read it, which would be like the
        name 'Alexander Joshua'. Either one is nice as a nanori, though--I
        personally like 'Michimasa'. Could be my fascination with 'masa' names
        (Naomasa, etc.) or the thought of a 'straight path' that captures my mind.

        The first part should be a family name. Here are some examples:

        Fujiwara Minamoto Sugawara Matsudaira Taira
        Oda Imagawa Kato (Katou) Ii Kusunoki
        Kinoshita Ishikawa Ashikaga Akashi Akechi
        Akita Akiyama Akizuki Amakazu Amako
        Amakusa Abe Amari Anayama Ankokuji
        Ando (Andou) Aoki Aoyama Araki Arima
        Asai Asakura Asano Ashina Aso
        Ayukawa Baba Ban Bessho Date
        Chosokabe (Chousokabe) Daidoji (Daidouji) Doi
        Endo (Endou) Fukushima Furuta Gamo (Gamou) Fuwa
        Goto (Gotou) Hachisuka Hajikano Hara Hasekura
        Hasegawa [like the shinai! ;)] Hashiba [Hideyoshi's early name]
        Hatakeyama Hatano Hattori Hayashi Hijikata
        Hineno Hiraga Hiraiwa Hiraizumi Hisamatsu
        Hitotsuyanagi Hojo (Houjou) Honda Honjo (Honjou) Hori
        Horio Hoshina Hosokawa Ichibashi Hotta
        Ichibu Ichijo (Ichijou) Ijuin (Ijuuin) Iida
        Ikeda Takeda Uesugi Ikoma Imaizumi
        Ina Inaba Inagaki Inoue Irobe
        Ise Ishida Itagaki Itakura Itami
        Ito (Itou) Iwaki Kakizaki Kamei Kamiizumi
        Kamiya Kanamori Katagiri Katakura Kawajiri
        Keyamura Kikkawa Kimura Kitabatake Kobori
        Kobayakawa Koide Konishi Kono (Kouno) Koriki
        Kosaka (Kousaka) Koteda Kuchiki Kuki
        Kumazawa Kuroda Kurosaka Kurushima Kuwayama
        Kyogoku (Kyougoku) Maeba Maeda Makara
        Makino Masuda Matsukura Matsumae Matsumoto
        Matsunaga Matsuno Matsushita Matsuura Menju
        Minagawa Miura Miyabe Miyoshi Munakata
        Murakami Nabeshima Nagai Nagao Nakatomi
        Nagatsuka Naito (Naitou) Nakagawa Nakamura Nakayama
        Nanbu (Nambu?) Naoe Naruse Nasu Natsume
        Nishina Nishio Nitta Niwa Obata
        Obu Ochiai Odai Ogasawara Okabe
        Okubo (Ookubo) Okudaira Omura (Oomura) Ono (Oono? Ouno?)
        Onoki Ota (Oota) Otani (Ootani) Otomo (Ootomo) Rokkaku
        Ouchi (Oouchi) Oyamada (Ooyamada) Rokugo (Rokugou)
        Ryuzoji (Ryuuzouji) Sagara Saigo (Saigou) Sakurai
        Saigusa Saito (Saitou) Sakai Sakakibara Sakuma
        Sanada Satake Satomi Shiba Shibata
        Sengoku [an entire era named after himm.... ] Shidara Shima
        Shimazu Shimizu Shimonojo (Shimonojou) Shimura
        Shinjo (Shinjou) Shoni (Shouni) So (Sou) Suda
        Sue Suganuma Sugihara Suibara Susukida
        Suwa Suzuki Tachibana Takahashi Takanashi
        Takayama Takemata Takenaka Takenotoshi Takigawa
        Tanaka Terazawa Toda Todo (Toudou) Togawa
        Tomita Torii Tozawa Tsuchiya Tsugaru
        Tutsui Ukita Uozumi Usami Wakizaka
        Utsunomiya Watanabe Yagyu (Yagyuu) Yamamoto Yamana
        Yamauchi (Yama-no-uchi, too) Yamanaka Yamayoshi Yamazaki
        Yasuda Yokota Yuki (Yuuki)

        -Ii
      • Anthony J. Bryant
        ... Well, either Yukihiro or Michimasa would work as a nanori -- but you have two given names here and no surname. Effingham
        Message 3 of 11 , Apr 2 2:01 AM
          Desjardins, Michel wrote:


          > So here is my proposed name:
          > Yukihiro Michimasa
          >
          > Now, is it a good name ? How would you interpret it ? What would it say
          > about me ?

          Well, either Yukihiro or Michimasa would work as a nanori -- but you have two
          given names here and no surname. <G>


          Effingham
        • Anthony J. Bryant
          ... Good list. Do you think I should add a list like this to the names page? Effingham
          Message 4 of 11 , Apr 2 2:17 AM
            Ii Saburou wrote:

            > The first part should be a family name. Here are some examples:
            >
            > Fujiwara Minamoto Sugawara Matsudaira Taira

            <massive snippage>

            Good list. <G>

            Do you think I should add a list like this to the names page?


            Effingham
          • Ii Saburou
            ... I think it would be extremely helpful. It might be good, if possible, to delineate between family and clans (or perhaps buke and kuge )--but then
            Message 5 of 11 , Apr 2 4:43 AM
              On Fri, 2 Apr 2004, Anthony J. Bryant wrote:

              > Ii Saburou wrote:
              >
              > > The first part should be a family name. Here are some examples:
              > >
              > > Fujiwara Minamoto Sugawara Matsudaira Taira
              >
              > <massive snippage>
              >
              > Good list. <G>
              >
              > Do you think I should add a list like this to the names page?

              I think it would be extremely helpful. It might be good, if possible, to
              delineate between 'family' and 'clans' (or perhaps 'buke' and 'kuge')--but
              then again maybe not. Some are easy--Fujiwara, Minamoto, and Taira are
              all well-known uji. However, I'm not sure that this is always the case.

              -Ii
            • Anthony J. Bryant
              ... Good point. I ll get to work on that chart. Effingbizzy
              Message 6 of 11 , Apr 2 5:15 AM
                Ii Saburou wrote:


                >>Do you think I should add a list like this to the names page?
                >
                >
                > I think it would be extremely helpful. It might be good, if possible, to
                > delineate between 'family' and 'clans' (or perhaps 'buke' and 'kuge')--but
                > then again maybe not. Some are easy--Fujiwara, Minamoto, and Taira are
                > all well-known uji. However, I'm not sure that this is always the case.

                Good point.

                I'll get to work on that chart. <G>


                Effingbizzy
              • Elaine Koogler
                Might not be a bad idea....sometimes, for a novice user, Lady Solveig s book can be a little daunting/confusing (no offense intended, Solveig....). Kiri ... --
                Message 7 of 11 , Apr 2 5:24 AM
                  Might not be a bad idea....sometimes, for a novice user, Lady Solveig's
                  book can be a little daunting/confusing (no offense intended, Solveig....).

                  Kiri

                  Anthony J. Bryant wrote:

                  > Ii Saburou wrote:
                  >
                  > > The first part should be a family name. Here are some examples:
                  > >
                  > > Fujiwara Minamoto Sugawara Matsudaira Taira
                  >
                  > <massive snippage>
                  >
                  > Good list. <G>
                  >
                  > Do you think I should add a list like this to the names page?
                  >
                  >
                  > Effingham
                  >
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                • Anthony J. Bryant
                  ... I have to agree, but it s probably true that most monster reference books are intimidating and difficult for the average person to use. If you don t
                  Message 8 of 11 , Apr 2 5:26 AM
                    Elaine Koogler wrote:

                    > Might not be a bad idea....sometimes, for a novice user, Lady Solveig's
                    > book can be a little daunting/confusing (no offense intended, Solveig....).

                    I have to agree, but it's probably true that most monster reference books are
                    intimidating and difficult for the average person to use. If you don't already
                    have an understanding of how the names work, it might be tough going. But at the
                    end of the day, it's a good resource to have, and while it might not be that
                    accessible to the masses (nothing personal, masses <G>) it should ultimately
                    make life easier for heralds to know that it exists.


                    Effingham
                  • Solveig
                    Noble Cousin! Greetings from Solveig! ... No. It the combination does not work because you are slotting two names of the same type. You need three names
                    Message 9 of 11 , Apr 3 6:23 PM
                      Noble Cousin!

                      Greetings from Solveig!

                      > > So here is my proposed name:
                      > > Yukihiro Michimasa

                      No. It the combination does not work because you are slotting two names
                      of the same type. You need three names <surname><common name><nanori>.
                      --

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                    • Solveig
                      Kiri-hime! Everyone keeps reminding me of just how crummy I am at writing. ... My major concern is just how many people try to use it by just going to the
                      Message 10 of 11 , Apr 3 6:33 PM
                        Kiri-hime!

                        Everyone keeps reminding me of just how crummy I am at writing.

                        >Might not be a bad idea....sometimes, for a novice user, Lady Solveig's
                        >book can be a little daunting/confusing (no offense intended, Solveig....).

                        My major concern is just how many people try to use it by just going to
                        the tables without bothering to look at any of the several places that
                        tell you how to use them. There are even worked examples. There is even
                        a whole named section that discusses how to use the tables. Students don't
                        read their textbooks for univsity classes, so this is a pretty common
                        phenomenon.

                        Incidentally, I really am open to constructive suggestions on how to improve
                        things. It's a bit late for NCMJ for a few years. I don't want to rework it
                        again for a few years. It takes longer than you may suspect. I do hope that
                        the indices that were added this time were what people were asking for. If
                        I bring out a real second edition it will have many more women's and monk's
                        names.
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                        Your Humble Servant
                        Solveig Throndardottir
                        Amateur Scholar

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                      • Elaine Koogler
                        My Lady, I tried to make it clear in what I wrote, but obviously, given the problems with misunderstandings in email messages, I guess I didn t. I was not
                        Message 11 of 11 , Apr 4 3:41 PM
                          My Lady,
                          I tried to make it clear in what I wrote, but obviously, given the
                          problems with misunderstandings in email messages, I guess I didn't. I
                          was not criticizing your writing. I was simply trying to indicate that
                          sometimes the amount of information contained in your book can be a
                          little daunting, especially to someone new to trying to figure out a
                          name. Japanese names are quite complex...I feel quite certain that my
                          name is probably incorrect by today's standards, though I'm told that
                          it's actually ok. But sometimes, in trying to read some of the
                          explanations even here on the list, I find myself going a little
                          cross-eyed trying to sort through the complexities. My thought is that
                          the tables might at least help folk get a good, historically accurate
                          name up front, then, if they are interested, return for more study and
                          learning. We don't want people giving up because it's just too
                          complicated. The work you have done is a marvelous contribution...and
                          very useful for documenting names. In fact, we just used it to figure
                          out a proper Japanese heraldic title for me...so it's useful, but the
                          more tools there are available for us to use, the better...I think!

                          Kiri

                          Solveig wrote:

                          > Kiri-hime!
                          >
                          > Everyone keeps reminding me of just how crummy I am at writing.
                          >
                          > >Might not be a bad idea....sometimes, for a novice user, Lady Solveig's
                          > >book can be a little daunting/confusing (no offense intended,
                          > Solveig....).
                          >
                          > My major concern is just how many people try to use it by just going to
                          > the tables without bothering to look at any of the several places that
                          > tell you how to use them. There are even worked examples. There is even
                          > a whole named section that discusses how to use the tables. Students don't
                          > read their textbooks for univsity classes, so this is a pretty common
                          > phenomenon.
                          >
                          > Incidentally, I really am open to constructive suggestions on how to
                          > improve
                          > things. It's a bit late for NCMJ for a few years. I don't want to
                          > rework it
                          > again for a few years. It takes longer than you may suspect. I do hope
                          > that
                          > the indices that were added this time were what people were asking for. If
                          > I bring out a real second edition it will have many more women's and
                          > monk's
                          > names.
                          > --
                          >
                          > Your Humble Servant
                          > Solveig Throndardottir
                          > Amateur Scholar
                          >
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