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RE: [SCA-JML] Re: Turtle ships

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    I just got an amusing image of a tiny Japanese boat, loaded down with a ballista crossbow. For every action there is an opposite and equal reaction. ;) Had to
    Message 1 of 2 , Nov 20, 2003
      I just got an amusing image of a tiny Japanese boat, loaded down with a
      ballista crossbow. For every action there is an opposite and equal reaction.
      ;) Had to share.

      --
      Kumomaku
      Yojimbo/Yuta

      -----Original Message-----
      From: James Eckman [mailto:ronin_engineer@...]
      Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 8:16 AM
      To: sca-jml@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [SCA-JML] Re: Turtle ships

      From: michael A <kiyokage@...>

      > While I understand the comparision you are making, It
      > didn't seem to me that their effect was nearly as
      > strong the moniter's. I say this because based on what
      > ive read the koreans had won a number of the
      > engagments without the turtle being present or used in
      > other cases.

      Yes normal in period ships of Europe, Korea and China would be very
      effective against the normal Japanese ship in period.

      > Im sure the turtles were feared and by accounts quite
      > effective. Though it is worth noting they were
      > boardable as they needed the cabaility to sail and
      > thus did have an exposed deck as well as the spiked
      > main area(Thats what you get for being before your
      > time).

      The full size one has a covered top as well as the model. Not very practical
      to board during an engagement. Please see previously sent photo links.

      >.....As a side note i know the top was iron clad with
      > spikes, but i cant remember if the sides had plating.

      No, but they claimed it was about 12" thick made from a fairly dense wood.
      This would stop any handheld guns.

      > I just dont think they were the primary reason for
      > the korean victories as many people seem to assume. It
      > is often the new "toy" that gets the credit even when
      > it not the real reason for the victory. They simply
      > were not the quantum leap that made every other ship
      > instantly outdated.

      Just one of many. Your right, they were not a quantum leap since they
      apparently evolved from a floating porcupine affair called a spearship. But
      as a specialty coaster vessel, it would ruin your day in a shallow water
      engagement. The normal defense of run away to the nearest shoals would not
      work with this ship, it would just follow. Very slowly though!

      Jim Eckman





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