RE: [SCA-JML] Re: Turtle ships
- I just got an amusing image of a tiny Japanese boat, loaded down with a
ballista crossbow. For every action there is an opposite and equal reaction.
;) Had to share.
From: James Eckman [mailto:ronin_engineer@...]
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 8:16 AM
Subject: [SCA-JML] Re: Turtle ships
From: michael A <kiyokage@...>
> While I understand the comparision you are making, ItYes normal in period ships of Europe, Korea and China would be very
> didn't seem to me that their effect was nearly as
> strong the moniter's. I say this because based on what
> ive read the koreans had won a number of the
> engagments without the turtle being present or used in
> other cases.
effective against the normal Japanese ship in period.
> Im sure the turtles were feared and by accounts quiteThe full size one has a covered top as well as the model. Not very practical
> effective. Though it is worth noting they were
> boardable as they needed the cabaility to sail and
> thus did have an exposed deck as well as the spiked
> main area(Thats what you get for being before your
to board during an engagement. Please see previously sent photo links.
>.....As a side note i know the top was iron clad withNo, but they claimed it was about 12" thick made from a fairly dense wood.
> spikes, but i cant remember if the sides had plating.
This would stop any handheld guns.
> I just dont think they were the primary reason forJust one of many. Your right, they were not a quantum leap since they
> the korean victories as many people seem to assume. It
> is often the new "toy" that gets the credit even when
> it not the real reason for the victory. They simply
> were not the quantum leap that made every other ship
> instantly outdated.
apparently evolved from a floating porcupine affair called a spearship. But
as a specialty coaster vessel, it would ruin your day in a shallow water
engagement. The normal defense of run away to the nearest shoals would not
work with this ship, it would just follow. Very slowly though!
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