Re: [SCA-JML] Three Generals
- "J. Kriss White" wrote:
> There's an impressive mural over the sushi bar "Sumo Bistro" in Long Beach,Are they all on the same side? Something like that is a critical detail.
> CA, showing a thunderous samurai cavalry charge, with three daimyo out in
> front leading the charge.
> One, I think I recognized as Oda Nobunaga. IVery unlikely. Hideyoshi was a general under Nobunaga, but Takeda Shingen was
> think the other two are Hideyoshi and Takeda Shingen, and that this is a
> romanticized (I doubt the generals were charging at the head of their
> troops in the mid-1500s) depiction of the battle that put Hideyoshi in
> power, but all of my Japanese references are still packed in a box
> somewhere for the last couple of years.
a deadly enemy of the Oda. And the battle that (nominally) put Hideyoshi in
power happened because Nobunaga had been assassinated.
> Would somebody please post a fewIt sounds likely that you're not seeing what you think you are. Any chance you
> things about that battle? Am I confusing them with other daimyo?
can get a photo of the mural uploaded?
> It mightBy Sekigahara, Nobunaga had been dead 18 years, Hideyoshi two, and Shingen a
> be the battle of Sekigahara instead.
> The one I think is Nobunaga isDoesn't ring any bells for me.
> depicted with a curiously almost-pointed helm, which I believe I've seen
> him depicted with elsewhere, and has a crescent on the front of the helm
> with both points downward. The daimyo in the middle has a trident-head on
> his helm. The third one had something like a clover leaf design on his.
>Can you get a photo?
> Sadly, neither the sushi chefs nor the manager knew the significance of it,
> and the manager said the owner had told him it was "probably some
> battle"... The manager was really interested that I thought I knew
> something about it, and I'm going back there next week, so... :-)
> > The one I think is Nobunaga isI've seen
> > depicted with a curiously almost-pointed helm, which I believe
> > him depicted with elsewhere, and has a crescent on the front ofthe helm
> > with both points downward. The daimyo in the middle has atrident-head on
> > his helm. The third one had something like a clover leaf designon his.
Of course this isn't my area, but the "clover leaf design"... Could
that be a Hollyhock mon? Like the Ashikaga's. I could see how
someone would call it "clover leaf".