7406Re: [SCA-JML] Request for help.....
- Mar 6, 2002Elaine Koogler wrote:
> I have a question I hope some one of you might be able to answer.Well, unfortunately, it wasn't a Western tree, so it doesn't have a name that was recognizable in the West. It's like the Japanese ume -- we just didn't have it, so some call it plum and some call it apricot, and it's not either, it's an ume.
> I have been trying for the past several years to register an heraldic title for myself as a past principal herald of Atlantia. I've tried numerous permutations of "dragon", including both Japanese and Chinese translations, adding adjectives and translating them (thought "Golden Dragon" was cool...sounds like a Chinese restaurant), but the MidRealm refuses to allow me to use any of them. Not even a dragon part ("Dragon Claw"...from my mon). So, in a fit if desperation, I decided to use the English translation of my nickname, "Kiri"..."Paulownia". We all loved it, especially the cant on my name. However, I'm now being told that it is not a period word...that it came into use in the 19th century and came from the name of a Russian Princess, somebody or other Pavlovna. Can anyone either give me documentation for the word in period...or the Chinese name for the tree...I'd really rather not try for "Kiri" herald, for obvious reasons.
In Chinese, it's "tóng" (that's tone 2). The on'yomi (Sino-Japanese reading) in Japanese is "tô."
Speaking as a Midrealmer, I find the Midrealm refusal a bit petty. So no one, anywhere, can use "dragon" now? Sigh.
How about "Tongbao"? It means "Paulownia jewel." ("Bao" is fourth tone, falling-rising.) Or "Tongpeng" -- "Paulownia Phoenix" -- since the paulownia is also "the phoenix tree."
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