3466Re: [SCA-JML] greetings!
- Feb 6, 2001Confucius wrote:
>Given any thought to the fue or shakuhachi? They're a heck of a lot more
> > 'Fraid not. My sources indicate that the shamisen started
> appearing in
> > Japan in "early Edo" -- which is typically defined as
> anywhere from 1610
> > to 1680. If it were before 1610, they usually say
> "Momoyama - early
> > Edo." And the shamisen wasn't an accepted "court
> instrument," either, no
> > more than the banjo is typically found in an orchestra. It
> was very much
> > a commoner instrument, and more or less took the place of
> the biwa as a
> > joururi instrument.
> Ah, okay. Well, any other possibilities for a 16th c.
> stringed instrument (not as expensive as the biwa) that I've
portable... 'Course, you can't sing *and* play... There's the koto, but
you have more issues to deal with in terms of lugging the thing around
and tuning it each time you play. That's primarily why I gave up the
koto, although there are times I wish I'd've stayed with it.
>If you can find a jabisen.
> > The jabisen arrived in Okinawa or Japan sometime c. 1570,
> and was
> > modified between 1595 and 1625 into the shamisen, and then
> started to
> > gain popularity in Japan proper.
> Wait--so, might I be safe with the Chinese version, then (it
> arrived in Japan ca. 1570?)? Or would nobody have had those
> in "Japan proper" until it became the shamisen?
If you want to do shamisen, I think you have to give up the idea of
being a monk. Shamisen didn't really make it early on as a monastic
instrument; the tradition of the biwa was far too strong. If you *must*
get a shamisen, develop an entertainer persona, as these would have been
the folks popularizing it.
>No, I just spent a lot of time in bars singing enka. And I have some
> > Personally, I like shamisen, but they are quintessentially
> > intstruments, and I'm just as annoyed by the thought of a
> shamisen at an
> > event as I am a modern-style guitar (which is also far too
> common in the
> > SCA).
> Yes, I know your pain. Guitars still annoy me, but
> unfortunately I've been numbed to almost-indifference by
> people playing modern violin. However, I still have a
> crusade against obviously post-period folk songs. Where I
> am, nobody save myself performs actual medieval music...all
> folk songs, and 17th c. stuff at best. I once heard some
> ladies perform a badly-pronounced Arabic "tribal folk song"
> in 5-part harmony...Oh, how I cringed.
> >> (as a side note, Japanese folk singing is so hard to get
> right! Has
> >> anybody had any luck?)
> > Some, yes. The tone waver problem is tough, as is singing
> like I have a
> > head cold. <G>
> Yes! :) I have a lot of trouble getting Italian styles,
> too. But you've had some luck? Any tips?
> So, are you a musician?
friends (well, had... I've not been in contact for a while...sigh) who
are Noh performers, and who showed me lots of cool tricks. Don't ask how
long it took me to learn just to *walk* for Noh. And it's been like 10
years, so of course I've forgotten it all and wasted yet another cool
thing I once knew how to do. That sux, b'lieve me.
No, I'm not a musician. Not a singer, either, as you'd know if you'd
ever been in Usami when I had the mike. <G>
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