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  • Kelly Thurman Peters
    Jul 2, 2008
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      Just so I have it straight on the 3D aspect, this type of butterfly:
      http://i29.tinypic.com/n39p91.jpg would be approvable, but not the
      one I had chosen?

      Takeda Sakura
      Webminister: Crimson River

      On Jul 2, 2008, at 12:35 PM, Furukusu Masahide (Taliesin) wrote:

      > --- In sca-jml@yahoogroups.com, Kelly Thurman Peters <Nichy@...>
      > wrote:
      > <snip>
      > > I'm not familiar with creating a device at all, I don't understand
      > > exactly what that means. Does it mean the way the butterfly is
      > turned?
      > >
      > Greetings!
      > I happen to be something of a herald, so I thought I would comment on
      > some of your questions here.
      > Train aspect is a term used in heraldry to describe a 3D or 3/4 aspect
      > figure. This gives depth to the figure and makes it look like it is
      > three dimensional. Period western (and SCA) heraldry use 2D figures
      > and
      > represntations. Think "flat", "face on", or "side on" items. The
      > blossom is drawn in an acceptable style.
      > Submitting armory to the College of Arms in the SCA means that you
      > will
      > need to have a design that can be descibed using the European methods
      > of heraldry. Appropriate design for Japanese Mon really doesn't matter
      > from that standpoint (don't get me wrong, I like appropriate period
      > Japanese Mon, but from a registration standpoint in the SCA it really
      > doesn't matter).
      > If you want a butterfly (think western butterfly pinned into an insect
      > collection) and you want to put some sakura blossoms on the wings,
      > that
      > is possible. The butterfly you have now cannot be described as
      > a "normal" "western" butterfly, and will not (yes I am making
      > assumptions with this, but based on my experience it is true) be able
      > to be registered.
      > As far as the sakura blossom goes, I'm not sure if it could be
      > registered as such, or simply registered as a "cinq-foil" (a five
      > petaled flower) with the depiction being artistic license.
      > The other option is this: If you find a design that is in a Japanese
      > period style, and you want to use it, go ahead. You just won't be able
      > to register it, and it won't show up on award scrolls, etc. As long as
      > you aren't using someone else's historical or SCA armory, no one can
      > stop you from using a design you like.
      > Furukusu Masahide

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