2273Re: [SCA-JML] Ronin
- Dec 2, 2000Martin Giard wrote:
> I would like to know more about ronins in general but:They were from the Ako han. The Lord was Asano Ako-no-kami Naganori. As to
> 1)The 47 ronins. From wich clan did they came from? What was the name
> of the warlord that they served prior to became ronins? Is there a
> book on this topic? Isbn?
books on the subject, there are dozens (in Japanese). I don't know if
there's a particularly good one in English, although I know the subject is
dealt with in many other books on samurai history (notably Ikegami's
"Taming of the Samurai"). There are a few translations of the Kanadehon
Chushingura in English (including a really *bad* Victorian one that even
"translated" the names of the characters -- ick). Look for titles such as
"A Treasury of Loyal Retainers" or "The Forty-Seven Ronin" or even
It's an interesting story.
Did you know even though some argued that the Ako roshi were only avenging
their lord, others who approved with the revenge STILL argued that they had
*lost* their moral right to revenge as they had waited too long, and that
had they really wanted to show "chu" to their late lord they would have
attacked Kira immediately?
>You mean like the speech of the former Christian samurai to Blackthorne in
> 2)When a ronin takes a contract/alliegance for someone, does he say
> it when he present itself to someone?
Shogun? No, not as such. There are similar oath pledges that are signed,
however, and the text isn't all that different, typically.
> If yes, how (just an exampleWell, there is no *specific* ceremony for this. It's pretty much a
> would be helpful...) My real question is what is the proper way (say
> japanese phrase stucture and etiquette) to present my persona as a
> ronin in service of a particular family.
catch-as-catch-can type of prospect.
>There was none. Watch the film "Seven Samurai" (more aptly titled "Seven
> What was the real thing about ronin, more than "wave man" or "samurai
> without master". Did they got so bad notoriety? Did they have
> particular common tradition, outfit, etc...
Ronin." You'll see seven different people join the group and several who
don't, and they're all different.
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