21381Re: [SCA-JML] Re: Off topic but strange
- Jun 25, 2006Noble Cousin!
Greetings from Solveig! There is no need for a snarly tone.
>> The question is not whether or not pony soldiers mostly functionedThen, I suggest that you go change the definition at Wikipedia.
>> as dragoons. The question is whether or not there was a cavalry
>> charge. As in a mounted charge by British regulars.
> The questions I was addressing was the falacy of Omdurman as the
> last British cavalry charge, and the contention that the last
> charge was supposed to have taken place during the South African
> War. I made no assertion of "pony soldiers" acting as dragoons
> during the SAW, but asserted that most horsed units during that
> conflict acted as mounted infantry (there is a difference between
> dragoons and mounted infantry; you would be well advised to educate
> yourself in such matters before incorrectly ascribing meaning to
> another's post). I offered this statement to re-iterate that the
> last British cavalry charge definitely did not occur during the
> SAW, as that war saw little, if any, true cavalry action. The
> question that you raise here, of whether or not there was a mounted
> charge by British regulars, I addressed further on in my posting.
> A dragoon is a soldier trained to fight on foot, but transportThe fourth edition of The American Heritage College Dictionary claims
> himself on horseback. In other words, they move as cavalry but
> fight as infantry. The name derives from their primary weapon, a
> carbine or short musket called the dragon. Sometimes dragon
> carbines are said to be called as such because they "breathed fire"
> � a reference to the smoke they emitted when fired.
that dragoons are European military units trained fight either on
horse or on foot. I am bit suspect of this as I know from an
historical marker that units called dragoons were active in Illinois.
> Since you don't question the actions of the Buckinghamshire HussarsThank you for providing references. Those work a lot better at
> and the 20th Hussars noted in my last post, I take it we agree that
> Omdurman was definitely not the last British cavalry charge, which
> is sufficient to make my point.
> Most of the above actions are covered in Lord Angelsey's, "A
> History of the British Cavalry," Volume 8, Appendix I. However, as
> you may find this book difficult to obtain;
> For the Scinde Horse in Iraq;
> For the Cheshire Yeomanry against the Vichy French (my mistake--in
> Syria, not at Mers-el-Kebir);
> http://www.answers.com/topic/timeline-of-the-british-army (entry
> under 9 June 1941)
> For elements of the Burma Frontier Force at Toungoo, 1942;
winning arguments than simply asserting your own expertise and
demanding that people trust you.
> Now, would you be so good as to reciprocate by offering referencesI was never particularly invested in this particular point. This was
> to support your contention that "The last regular army British
> cavalry charge was supposed to be during the Boar [sic] War." I've
> already indicated a number of charges that post-date the South
> African War, but I'd be most interested in any reliable account of
> a cavalry charge in the SAW.
something that was mentioned during a documentary biography of Sir
Winston Chruchill which I saw several years ago. Consequently, I am
quite happy to believe that there were other cavalry charges
conducted by British regulars provided that someone can point to some
reliable documentation for it. I have seen more than enough entirely
vapor-ware documentation out there. For example, someone has cooked
up a Wikipedia entry for a dubious Japanese art form. In this case,
the name they are ascribing to their martial art does not even appear
in Daijirin first edition. Incidentally, Daijirin is a 2000 page J-J
dictionary published by Sanseido. (Or at least so I recall. I am
about 5 hours away from my copy at the moment.)
Your Humble Servant
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