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Building a better phonemic representation of modern broadcast English
The Phonology Forum is primarly concerned with developing better alphabetic or phonemic representations of broadcast English. Broadcast English is generally what is described in the pronunciation guide of a dictionary. Those new to the forum may want to review the file section on BASICS. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/saundspel/files/basics>
If you are unaware of the problems with English spelling check out <http://victorian.fortunecity.com/vangogh/555/Spell/chaos.html>
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pages by Dr. Valerie Yule - http://home.vicnet.net.au/~ozideas
info on the spelling society - <http://www.spellingsociety.org>
For best viewing, install the Georgia-Ref and Trebuchet fonts
Fonts: check the font folder in the files section of Saundspel <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/saundspel/files/fonts>
Since the demise of foolswisdom, some of these downloads are unavailable:
Trebuchet <http://foolswisdom.com/users/sbett/trebuchet-georgia-ref%20fonts.zip> MS - www.discusgroup.co.uk/trebuchet.htm <http://www.discusgroup.co.uk/trebuchet.htm>
Unifon <http://www.foolswisdom.com/users/sbett/unifonKF06.zip> - <http://www.foolswisdom.com/users/sbett/unifonKF06.zip> UNIFON K 2006 - based on Comic Sans
IPA, i/t/a, Shavian, SRA, and other fonts are available. Contact the moderator if you are interested.
The installation of the International Keyboard which gives you access to all of the ANSI diacritics is recommended.
CONVERTERS: -plaintext to regularized English
Dictionary keys (near 100% phonemic solutions) will spell words that rhyme the same
Some words may not rhyme in all dialects of English, e.g., some may pronounce an initial h in /hwaind/.
*Wind is a homograhic heterophone, it has two pronunciations. Dictionary keys eliminate these confusing spellings.
English Truespel WLO
whined wiend hw�nd or w�nd
wind wiend w�nd or w�nd
wined wiend w�nd or w�nd
"Phoneic spelling" turns these heterogaphic homophones into homographs.
Minimal respell regularization schemes (or 50% solutions) may make some grammatical distinctions.
Almost no superfluous letters or code overlaps but sometimes more than one way to spell a sound.
Basic Codes <http://www.foolswisdom.com/~sbett/spelling-patterns.htm> (and the similar Surplus Cut Spelling) might have 4 ways to spell the same phoneme.
This is still significantly better than having 14.7 ways - as in the traditional notation.
English HouseStile Truespel WLO
hire hire hier h�r
hired hired hierd h�rd
higher hier hieyer h�r
hyper hiper hieper h�pr
He was hired for a higher salary. TS
He was hired for a hier salary IHS
Hee wuz hierd fr u hieyer saleree. Truespel
H� woz h�rd f�r h�r sal�ry. WLO (Webster converted to Latin One)
wVz and wAz are also possible pronunciations. woz=/wQz/ (usually)
Unifon <http://www.unifon.org/convert.htm> spells hire and higher the same: hIc (keyboard) or H�3R (in a simulated all cap notation)
Unifon - <http://www.unifon.org/convert.htm> This remarkable converter also changes the font and handles 1000 word pages. Unfortunately it only works with MS Internet Explorer - Not Firefox, Netscape or Mozilla.
With IE you do not need to download the Unifont to see it displayed in the converter. Download Unifon here.
Unifon (1950) is the initial teaching alphabet that inspired Pitman's i/t/a (1959). Unifon, however, was part of a synthetic phonics - writing to read program. Pitman did not use the Unifon methodology. Instead Pitman transcribed a popular basal reader designed to teach word-sign recognition in a controled vocabulary.
Kids learn the word-signs twice as fast as the control group but they lost most of their advantage when they transitioned to TS in the 3rd year.
Unifon students learned the code in 3 weeks, overlearned it in 3 months.
They transitioned to traditional text with fewer problems because they learned words as sequences of sound-signs rather than word-signs. They were spelling as much as they were reading.
Wyrdplay.org <http://www.wyrdplay.org/spelling-converter.html> - <http://www.wyrdplay.org/spelling-converter.html>
Saaspel/convert - <http://www.saaspel.com/translate/Translator1.aspx>
Truespel - <http://www.foreignword.com/dictionary/truespel/transpel.htm> truespel reverse dictionary - <http://qs92.pair.com/jsl/cgi-bin/db1/truespel.php3?tword=bie%20IPA> - check this out.
SCHEMES list of 50 <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/saundspel/files> schemes see Wyrdplay.org <http://www.wyrdplay.org/reform-files.html> for descriptions of 34.
ALC Soundspel - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/saundspel/files/soundspel
Cut Spelling <http://www.spellingsociety.org/journals/j1/cutspelng1.html> - http://www.spellingsociety.org/ keyword: cut spelling
ENgliS <http://www.foolswisdom.com/~sbett/englis-chart.html > - a rapid way to keyboard phonemic English. schwa-a, AEYOU
I P A - <http://www.ling.hf.ntnu.no/ipa/full/> www.foolswisdom.com/~sbett <http://www.foolswisdom.com/~sbett>
i/t/a - www.foolswisdom.com/~sbett/ita1.htm <http://www.foolswisdom.com/~sbett/ita1.htm>
S A M P A <http://www.phon.ucl.ac.uk/home/sampa/english-uni.htm> http://www.phon.ucl.ac.uk/home/sampa/english-uni.htm
S A M P A <http://www.i-foo.com/~kturtle/misc/xsamchart.gif> and IPA - <http://www.i-foo.com/~kturtle/misc/xsamchart.gif>
Saaspel: <http://www.saaspel.com> select translator.
14 vowels in 9 notations - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/saundspel/files/GP-tables/14v-9notations
- http://www.valerieyule.com.au/spellresearch1.htmSB: I need to update my automated monthly message.