134Re: [sarasotafnb] Re: FNB_Demands
- Jun 9, 2009No community in Florida that currently has a civilian review board has subpoena power, so this would be a radical shift. the police will fight this policy tooth and nail, but we should push for the moon, no? :-)
It is not clear we will be able to roll back all those policies, but we have a 3/5 voting block that will roll back SOME now. Fred Atkins and Kelly Kirschner were opposed to the assembly ordinance that limited groups to 75 without a permit, and if we can move Turner, we can get that repealed. There is a new noise ordinance too that allows police to confiscate vehicles that should be on our list, even though it is not a homeless issue, per se. It affects the poor disproportionately and especially people of color.
This would just give the CRB subpoena power to compell officers to answer questions. I don't know any other reason we would want to add it, but am surely open to new ideas.
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 8:51 PM, Melissa Fisher <melissa.fisher@...> wrote:
thank you that explains a lot and catches me up on the situation. that's awesome. i'm glad to hear he seems sympathetic to our cause. hopefully this will make some progress, especially the CRB and getting rid of these ordinances. I am wondering what other effective avenues for increasing subpoena power for communities might be, as i don't know too much about it.
meltronOn Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Anthony Doe <cirv.anthony@...> wrote:
Terry Turner promissed to hear the demands and listen to the homeless rights activists in the community. He promised me if he won he would hear the group out, so Adam is following up with that.
The problems with civilian review boards (CRB) for police complaints are twofold: 1. they are stacked with police ass-kissing beauracrats who don't have any interest in holding them accountable. Also, the African American community feels the brunt of police harassment, so they should have a voice on the CRB. 2. they lack subpoena power to MAKE police show up. While independent groups can not pick the review board (the law is clear on this), they can nominate a pool of people to allow the city commission to pick from, say 3, and the city commission gets to pick 1 of the 3 to serve in that seat. I would go farther with this, but this is a strong step forward. Again, it takes 3/5 (assuming it is a 5 member board) to do anything, so we want to ensure at least 3 are good people who care about defending the citizens of Sarasota, be they black, homeless, activists, or whatever, from police harassment.
So, having researched this issue for a couple years, i just made those edits.
Anthony LorenzoOn Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Melissa Fisher <melissa.fisher@...> wrote:
so what does this part mean exactly?
"as well as allowing Amaryllis Park to nominate a pool for one member and banning any former or current law enforcement officers from the board other than as advisors?
also is this in response to something other than the newly elected commissioner in office? adam, are you meeting him as a representative of food not bombs? i am wondering what discussion has occurred on creating strategies on backing up these demands.
Also, Food Not Bombs as is is Ric serving pizza in the park on Fridays-he's out of there in like 30/45 minutes tops. I think its bad ass that he takes the time and money out of his life to keep at least some food there for the homeless but i'd rather not draw attention to FNB until we have more man power to actually hold our ground in the parc.-if we happen to catch press it would suck having FNB framed as little ceaser patrons--at least in terms of the philosophical and political message we are trying to get accross.
maybe i have it wrong or am being too cynical, but i guess mostly i don't understand the nature of the meeting you will be having and i'm sure that will help clear things up. i think the list of demands is awesome so far but i think we definitely should consider an escalation campaign and possible actions to stick it to them. i doubt he'll roll over for us and it could draw negative attention to food not bombs while its barely going (again, thank you ric, april, bucky, everyone down there that can/will/is helping)
meltronOn Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Anthony Doe <cirv.anthony@...> wrote:
some edits:-place to cook and/or feed homeless (shelter)
-end the lodging ordinance
-city shelter-citizen's review board to prevent further harassment of the homeless by the police including subpoena power to compell officers to show up for inquiries, as well as allowing Amaryllis Park to nominate a pool for one member and banning any former or current law enforcement officers from the board other than as advisors
-200 hours/year mandatory volunteer work with homeless for all city officials (haha)-Get rid of the limit of how many people can gather at the park (Sarasota City Ordinance 22-10, i believe; i would cite the ordinance number)
-we do not stop serving in 5 points
Also, Marlon sent me a link to the archived site of the homeless rights group as a reference: http://web.archive.org/web/20080120102145/http://www.homelessrights.co.nr/On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 11:54 PM, Adam Roca <adamroca@...> wrote:
Let me know if you have any probs accessing the document or go ahead and send your additions via the list serve. I will be calling him tomorrow to set something up, but I'll try to make it after work hours whatever day it may be so as many folks as possible can attend.
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From: pfahlr@... <pfahlr@...>
Date: Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 8:44 PM
I've shared a document with you called "FNB_Demands":
It's not an attachment -- it's stored online at Google Docs. To open this document, just click the link above.
Adam is setting up a meeting with Terry Turner who was recently elected to the city commission.
So... we are trying to set up a list of demands. Keep the "door in the face" persuasion technique in mind.
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