ANIL KUMAR'S SATSANG: BABA'S CONVERSATIONS WITH STUDENTS - Part 2
- ANIL KUMAR'S SATSANG: BABA'S CONVERSATIONS WITH STUDENTSPart TwoOctober 8th, 2002Professor Anil Kumar has presented this talk as an extra satsang. He has selected important messages Baba has imparted to the students gathered around Him during the afternoon sessions on the verandah at Prashanti Nilayam. These talks will continue.OM OM OMSai Ram!Thanks to Swami for bringing us back together for this evenings session. Ill cover a few more of the conversations had with Bhagavan on the veranda in this hour that we have at our disposal. This is a continuation of what I related to you the other day.
September 21st, 2002
The secret of a long life
Swami asked somebody, "Do you know how to live a long life? Do you know the secret of long life?"Who can answer that? Nobody can answer that. "Swamy, I don't know."Its very easy.What is it, Swami?Only two things are needed.What are they?He said, One is sacrifice and the other is love or prema. Sacrifice and love will give you long life. Thyaga or sacrifice is the medicine, while love is the diet. If we take the medicine without following the diet, the disease will never be cured. If we follow the diet without taking the medicine, we are nearer to the grave. Unless we have the diet and the medicine together, the disease cannot be cured. So the medicine of sacrifice and the diet of love both are necessary to live a long life. Thats what Baba said.At this point, Swami gave an example from the United States Rockefeller. Today, in the United States there is the Rockefeller Foundation. This charity is working all over the United States. How did this come about? Rockefeller was fabulously rich -- very, very rich. He had no time to think of anything other than making money. He reached the stage where he forgot the amount of money he had because he was so busy.But Rockefeller fell sick at the age of about 48. And the doctors said, Look here, you are not going to survive for more than eight or ten months. You are not going to live much longer.Who said this? His doctors in the United States spoke this. Doctors in the U.S. are very, very responsible, to the best of my knowledge, because they will be sued in the courts of law if anything goes wrong. Then they would have to pay money throughout their lifetime, oh yes -- so they have to be very responsible.So those doctors said, You wont live very long.So Rockefeller started distributing his money to everybody educational institutions, medical institutions and many others all over the United States, with the result that he lived for almost 90 years. A person, who should have left this planet earth 40 years earlier, got an extension of his life. How is that possible? Because of his sacrifice. Thats what Bhagavan said.What is required today is for our hearts, which are hard like stone, to melt. Even stones wither and become ordinary sand with continuous exposure to rain and heat. Similarly, our hearts of stone should melt, seeing peoples misery, so we will be prepared to sacrifice. That is the gist of the conversation we had with Bhagavan on the 21st of September.September 17th, 2002
only a witness
This happened on the 17th of September, 2002. Bhagavan seemed upset with some fellow maybe an administrator or a student or a teacher. In this big organization, there will be disappointments for Him ways we might have failed to come up to His expectations.So He was a little bit upset and He looked at me and said seriously, When something is wrong with the wife, the husband is responsible. When something is wrong with the children, it is the mothers mistake. If anything goes wrong with the students, the Principal is responsible. If the Principal commits any mistake, then the Vice-chancellor is responsible.All of them are seated there. Immediately the thought came to me, if the Vice-chancellor commits a mistake, it must be the Chancellors mistake. Who is the Chancellor? Baba! (Laughter) You know what He said?Swami immediately said, If the Vice-chancellor commits any mistake, it is not the mistake of the Chancellor. (Laughter) Why? Here the Chancellor is only a witness. He is only a witness -- it is not His mistake.
How to control the MindThen He told one chap, an accounting fellow, You go, finish your work and return with all the latest statements within one hour.The man left. I was watching the situation.Swami?What?You want him to go faster than the wind -- faster than wind?Yes.Oh-ho, Swami. Can he go faster than light? Is it possible?Yes, why not?Oh, I see.Then I thought I should be careful. I wanted to turn the mood.Swami, is there anything that moves faster than wind and light, anything in the world? Light moves at the fastest rate, you know that. Is there anything that moves faster than light?Swami said, Yes, there is one thing.One thing? What is it, Swami?The mind, He said.Swami, how?If you want to go to New York, you are there right now.Even before light can reach there?Light may take time, but the mind is already there. So the mind moves faster than wind and light, Bhagavan said.Then I said, Swami, with vegamu (vegamu means speed) is mano vegamu the speed of the mind -- natural?No, no, it is rogamu. It is disease. The mind that runs fast is not a natural quality. It is an ailment. It is a disease.Oh, I see, Swami.Then I said, Swami, How do I control the speed of the mind? Can I do it by yoga?And He said, No, no, no. By following yoga, you will be suffering from a new disease. Yoga gives you a new disease.How do I control it, Swami? That is my question.Then Swami said, All the methods you people follow, the yoga and other spiritual practices to control the mind, to reduce the speed of the mind, appear to give you some temporary, artificial results. But the results that you get from these are not cognisable and they are not lasting either. Its like a millipede or a centipede that moves forward backwards, forward, and backwards -- but stays in the same place.So, all of those spiritual practices are slow. They dont help us in any way. Thats what Bhagavan said.Swami, You said we should control our mind, but that it is not possible by our spiritual practices. Why should I control my mind first? By controlling my mind, how can I do my job? I must teach my class. So how can a person do it? I have to do some marketing. By controlling the mind, how can I be a businessman?And Swami said, No, no, you are wrong.See how nicely He was explaining the subject. Please follow carefully. This is not simply a dialogue or a drama. A little explanation of the context is necessary to have complete understanding of Sais way of teaching. Sai sayings, Sai pearls, are passed down to us.Swami said, One example.What, Swami?The car is proceeding.Mm-hmm.The car is speeding up.Good.When you stop the car, the four tires come to a halt.Yes.Even then, you can switch on the lights and have the air-conditioned facility inside. You can have your snacks; you can play and you can talk. You can do all your work inside the car even though the car is stopped. Understand? Similarly, though the mind is under check - put under total control - or the speed of the mind is reduced, you can still do your job. You can do your activity just as we do while seated inside the car. Am I clear?Thats what Bhagavan said that time.In my mind I was thinking, Okay Swami, could You just give me one more example?Bhagavan, the Mastermind, the perfect mind, the Divine mind, the Indweller, the prompter, the leader, the Super mind said this, Look here, you are wearing ironed clothes, well washed and ironed, white clothes.Yes.Suppose you begin to feel, If I wear this white dress and go outside, it will be spoiled. My dress will become dirty, so I will not wear it. Is that how you think? No. You should wear your dress, but at the same time see that it does not get dirty. You should be careful in your movements. Dont you do that? Similarly, make use of the mind. Make use of the mind because the mind is your instrument. The mind is Gods gift. For humanity, the mind is the cause for bondage or for liberation: Manah Eva Manushyanam Karanam Bandha Mokshayo. So mind should be under check, but it should be used properly. Thats what Bhagavan said.Next Swami said, How is the mind today? The mind is running fast, as if a thousand horses are driving it. That is the speed at which the mind is running. Thats why we are mentally disturbed, why we are mentally agitated. We need psychiatrists everyday because the mind is not under our control. We have forgotten that the mind is only our instrument. But we identify with the mind and suffer. Thats what Bhagavan has said.Swami, that was nice. I could understand.Bhagavan was in a good mood so I could ask a small question. Swami, you said it is necessary to control the mind.Yes.Who is to control the mind? Who is to control my mind?Then He said, First you know that. If you know that, it will be controlled.Oh-ho.First you know that mind should be controlled. Then you will understand the controller who has to control it. You will know this all by yourself. Swami, should I control it?Swami said, What is this I control? Chi! I control the mind. This I is only the name and form. With this I-ness of name and form, you cannot control anything because you are bound. You are chained. You are limited by this I-ness or ego. So you have to drop this I control -- you have to drop it.Well, Swami, should I drop it? Hmm. If I drop this I-ness, then what will remain in me? Where am I, what am I and who am I? When this I-ness is gone, what am I?And Bhagavan said, When the I-ness is gone, you are not the mind; you are not the ego; but you are the Self. You are the Self.I see. What is the Self, Swami?That is Atma. That is the spirit. That is consciousness. That is Parameshti.We were talking about this yesterday. Parameshti is Divinity. It is consciousness. It is the Self. It is the spirit. I was very much frightened to think of dropping this I-ness because I am happy with this I-ness. I am so-and-so. Uh huh. I am this and that. Oh-ho, good. I can say what I am!But once this I-ness is gone, well then what will happen? Its all emptiness; its all a void?Then Bhagavan said, Oh no, no, no, no. Its only in that emptiness, in that void, in that nothingness, in that silence, in that lacuna that you experience the Self. You experience the consciousness. You experience the spirit, the real, the Atma. That will control the mind.How, Swami, how?Swami said, Once you go there, this disappears. When a policeman is there, the thief will run away. Similarly, once the spirit is there, the mind will say, Pah (Laughter) and will keep quiet. When the cat is around, the rats go into their holes totally terrified, horrified, completely frightened. In a similar way, once the real spirit or the Self, or consciousness, or Parameshti or Divinity or the Atma is felt, is experienced, is realized, there will be no more I-ness. There will be no more psychology. There is no more of intellect. There will be nothing whatsoever because you are that supreme Self. Thats what Bhagavan said.The role of the intellectSwami, that was good. Now, what is the role of the intellect in this process? Bhagavan, You are so kind -- You explained what the Self is, what the Self can do, and the mind and its vagaries, its whims, its fancies, and the troubles that the mind will create. Now, what is the role of the intellect?Bhagavan said, The intellect will take you towards the spirit. Something like Northwest Airlines or Trans World Airlines -- it will take you from Chicago to Los Angeles. So similarly, it will take you from this to that place, from the realm of the mind to the realm of the spirit -- from the airport gate #1 of Hong Kong to that New York Kennedy Airport of the spirit.(Anil Kumar says to the audience, Not that Im partial to the United States but its the only country I visited, so Im giving these examples. Thats all. Had I also been given the chance to visit other countries, I would have used examples such as Moscow and Leningrad enthusiastically. I pray for a chance someday. I have every hope, you know. Im not hopeless yet!)So, the role of the intellect is to guide you, to take you, to transport you, to establish communion with the spirit. Up to now, there has only been communication. No more communication; the topic should be communion because communication is time-bound. Communication is limited. Communication is between two. In communion you become one with the two. So, the role of the intellect is to establish this connecting link of communion between the mind and the spirit.Swami, only You can explain things like that.I have got this weakness where I cannot control my emotions, particularly in appreciation. Sometimes when Bhagavan speaks, I may look odd to the students, or ill- mannered to some of the devotees, or uncultured to some others. But I am not under my own control.Swami?What?Only You can explain like that.Manchadi -- good, good.When milk is boiling, some water has to be added, so it calms down.I can tell you, my friends, no one can explain these subtle things in a simple way. Because we went around so many temples, we went on so many pilgrimages, we heard the talks of so many gurus, now we are confused, confounded, totally mad and vexed with spirituality. So that topic has become a God-forsaken topic. But here is Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba, who can explain the most difficult things in a simple way, certain that we can understand it. That is the purpose of the Avatar. The purpose of the Avatar is to make complicated things simple, while the purpose of the modern man is to make simple things complicated! Modern man complicates things. The Avatar simplifies things. In such a simple way, Bhagavan explained this.September 16th, 2002the compassion of BhagavanBhagavans compassion is so deep that sometimes He goes out of His way to bless people. He forgets His position and He comes down to bless His devotees to any extent. Here is an incident narrated by a student in the Divine presence on the 16th of September.Bhagavan said that He would see an old lady while He was in Bombay. This happened some time ago. Bhagavan went all the way to see this old woman who was seriously ill at the time. Even though she was lying in her bed, Bhagavan went out of His way to bless her. To help her take padanamaskar, you wont believe what He did. He got a footstool from the drawing room and put His feet on it so she could take padanamaskar. He placed both of His feet on the footstool so that she would be able to touch His feet while she was still lying on the bed. That is the compassion of Bhagavan.Thereafter, she began to recover and she got well. After some time, she came to Prashanti Nilayam with her three-year-old grandson. Bhagavan blessed the grandchild and the grandma. The student who was telling this story said: I am the same one who was blessed by Bhagavan at the age of three, who was carried by my grandmother. Then he went on telling more about his grandmothers miracle.Sometime later, his grandmother fell sick once again when she was in Bangalore. The doctors said she must be operated upon.She refused, No, you cant do it. The doctors said, Why not? You need this emergency operation.She said, Until Bhagavan says its alright, I am not going to be operated upon, okay?How do you plan to contact Swami? You are bedridden. You are here in Bangalore. How will you do it?No, nothing doing. Contact Bhagavan on the phone.Immediately the boy called Bhagavan on the phone and got a reply. It was Bhagavans voice saying, Dont worry. Why fear when I am here? Ask your grandmother to have the operation. I will take care of her. But give the receiver to her now. I want to talk to her.When the phone receiver was given to his grandmother, what happened? Vibhuthi started coming out of it! (Laughter) This is an exception. This is a miracle I hadnt heard of before -- vibhuthi coming out of the phone receiver! That is Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba.Before I say anything more, I should also let you know that Bhagavan never speaks to anybody on the phone. There was no phone connection physically. How could that old ladys grandson speak to Him on the phone? He is Divine. Without having to go anywhere, without having to move to the other room to speak on the phone, His Will, His thought, His grace must have done it. He called there in the form of sound, in the form of conversation that could be heard. He could send vibhuthi too. Her grandson, who is now in the MBA class, narrated this miracle and all of us were very much amazed to hear the story.My friends, Bhagavans miracles are meant not merely for amusement or entertainment, but for enlightenment. Sai miracles are for enlightenment.spirit of sacrificeWhat happened, what happened? The boy mentioned another miracle in the Divine presence of Bhagavan on that same day in the hall. It seemed that a boy was to come to Prashanti from Bombay, along with the Youth Wing to give some sort of performance in front of Swami. Unexpectedly, the boy could not come because he could not get any more vacation days from his office. To get vacation time in a private company is difficult. His vacation days were already exhausted because he had had to attend to a close relation who was hospitalised in Pune. So he had no vacation days left to come to Prashanti Nilayam along with the other members of the Bombay Youth Wing. He was helpless.At that time another man, a Sai devotee working in the same office, went to him and said, I will work on your behalf. I will work my six-hour duty and I will also do your work for six more hours. Lets go to our boss and convince him.The boss was very much surprised. Here is a person who was prepared to work for six hours more in addition to his regular work. This is what that boy said in the presence of Swami. This is the spirit of sacrifice. If we submit our wills to Him unconditionally, this is the art of transformation in the Divine hands. This was the miracle mentioned by that boy on the 16th of September.Bhagavan is THE master of the whole universeThe boy concluded his speech by mentioning one other miracle. It was during a visit by Bhagavan to Bombay. I dont know how many of you have visited Dharmakshetra. Most of you have visited Bombay because all the international flights take off from there -- British Airways or American Airlines, for example. Bhagavan was there in Bombay. Large crowds came to have His Divine darshan and to listen to His discourses everyday.One evening, the whole Dharmakshetra was full of devotees all round -- a sea of humanity, vast humanity all heads, thats all! Not even an inch of space to move. All heads looked up. It was very cloudy as it is now, with just a slight drizzle. Bhagavans discourse was still planned. The convenor and the office bearers of the Sathya Sai Organization of Dharmakshetra started shivering in their shoes. What will happen to the public? What will happen to the ladies who came with their children? How can we still have Bhagavans discourse?Then one gentleman said slowly, Swami, why cant we have your discourse now instead of at five oclock? Let us have it at four.Bhagavan said, Since the announcement has already been made, nothing doing. You keep quiet.So this man had no choice. He returned. Then what happened? Swami opened His windows, looked at the sky full of dark clouds and lightening. It could shower anytime.And Bhagavan said, Thats all.He waved His hand like this. Believe it or not, within ten minutes it was clear. Everything - the whole sky was clear without any clouds. And Bhagavans discourse went on as scheduled, uninterrupted, without any disturbance. This miracle shows that Bhagavan is the Master of the whole universe. He is the Master of the five elements. He can control anything. This is what happened.September 15th, 2002The giver is Bhagavan, so I want it.Ill move on now to the 15th of September, 2002. (I am trying to keep in sequential order.)While Swami was sitting there that pleasant evening, He looked at one boy, Hmm, what class are you studying?The boy said, Swami, the 11th class.Come on. He came. Why did you not go home?Swami, why should I go home?Your father met with an accident. Why did you not go home?The boy said, You did not ask me to go home, so I didnt go.Then Swami smiled. Because of your faith, I can tell you nothing has happened to him -- just a small little accident. Everything will be all right. Dont worry, Bhagavan said. And then immediately Swami said, This afternoon you got the phone call from your mother telling you there was nothing to worry about.Yes, Swami.Why didnt you tell Me? I know. I know what your mother told you on the phone.This was a miracle to everybody there. Swami knew what had happened and He also knew about the phone conversations between the son and the mother.Then Swami said, Boy, you have strong faith. Do you want a chain from me? Shall I give you a chain?He said, Swami, yes I want a chain. (Laughter)You ask your mother-in-law! She will give you. Why should I give you? (Laughter) You ask your father. He will get it done for you.No, no, Swami! I dont want one from my mother-in-law or my father. Since You are giving, I want to have it. The giver is Bhagavan, so I want it, Swami.Oh, I see. He immediately materialized the chain and gave it to that boy. Everybody was very, very happy.September 14th, 2002self-respectNow, I will take you to the 14th of September. Bhagavan made this statement: Never beg from anybody. Dont be a beggar. Dont ask for anything. Things will come to you. If your thoughts are selfless, if your motive is selfless, and if your activity is charged by love, things will come to you. You dont need to ask for them. Self-respect has got to be maintained. Self-esteem is very important. Thats what Bhagavan said.Bhagavan said, Look at Me. I have not asked for anything. I have not stretched My hand to anybody, but things come on their own. Why? I am selfless. I am full of Love. If you are also like Me, everything will be perfect and proper.And another thing He said, Never be after show. Never be after exhibitionism. Never be after publicity. Never be after vainglory. Never be after self-aggrandizement. Never be after self-praise.My friends, you should excuse me for using so many words. All my attempts are only a struggle to make myself clear to you.Then He gave an example. Bhagavan went to Delhi sometime ago. There, a beautiful car -- car number one, owned by the President of the country -- was sent to receive Bhagavan at the airport with the request and prayer that He could use this car wherever He went. But you know what Bhagavan said? Nothing doing. This is a government car. This car belongs to the government. You are the head of the government. You have no right to loan that car to Me. I am not going to get into that car. Instead, He got into a small Morris, old model car. Why? Self-respect is more important than a gorgeous car or the latest model car.It is a lesson for all of us. It is better to stand on our own two legs than shine with borrowed feathers that was the lesson of Bhagavan.transformationAnd then He said, talking to somebody there, Look here, how many people are inspired?There on the veranda was a boy.Anil Kumar, do you know him?Yes Swami, I know him.That boy is an engineer. His younger brother is also an engineer. And both of them have settled here and are serving Swami. Their parents are alone now in Bombay. Both the sons are here. But seeing Swamis service here, the parents are now taking care of two orphan children. They have adopted two children. They are taking care of them now, drawing inspiration from Swami. There is transformation taking place all over the world. Thats what Bhagavan said.find happiness in doingThen He asked the other boys what they were doing for Ganesh Chaturthi or Vinayaka Chathurti -- the Ganesh Puja. All of you know about that festival. They said, Swami, we are doing this or we are doing that.Oh, very good. He heard from everybody what they were doing the Primary School, the Higher Secondary School, the College, the University -- everybody.Finally He said, Look here, my boys. I find happiness in doing, not simply hearing, not simply saying. More than saying, more than hearing, more than declaring -- what you do is more important. Doing is more important than saying and declaring. My boys, I like it if you tell Me what you have done. I like if you tell me, This thing I have done, Swami rather than, I am going to do this or we are planning that. That is all declaration. Do it and then tell me about it.This is a lesson for all of us. The planning stage is not for announcement. There is nothing great about scheming or planning. Execution of the plan -- action is more important. That is the lesson that was conveyed that evening.Then He said, You must have noticed that on the 3rd day after Vinayaka Chaturthi, the boys will bring so many idols of Vinayaka -- chariots from the different institutions. You must have noticed, didnt you?Yes, yes.They were telling Swami, Swami, we are bringing this.Uh huh.Swami, we are doing this, we are making this.Very good.Bhagavan is an ideal parent also. He is so happy to hear from the boys about what they are doing -- how they will come here with the chariots so nicely decorated, with music, dance and all that.All will have to reach here somedayBut what is the message? You may make any number of things at your place, but all of them will have to reach here someday or other.Here I want to explain what Swami said. Someday or the other, all ratha (ratha means chariot), all chariots, will have to come here. Thats what Swami said.This statement has a spiritual inner significance for a man of awareness. All the people may laugh, but Bhagavans outer words are not merely for laughter. What is the message? For your information, ratha is also the name given to the human body. The human body is ratha a chariot that moves. So, All chariots will have to reach here someday means that all people will have to come here someday. All roads lead to Rome. All rivers merge in the ocean. So, all of you had to be here! That is what He conveyed. (Whenever He conveys certain statements like this, I get these electric shocks.)What a statement that is, Swami! Ah, oh, oh! That is what I think. When we read literature that has some scriptural background, we can understand the true spirit behind His utterances.September 1st, 2002God is everywhereNow we go to the 1st of September: Boys, how have you fared in the examination?One 10th class boy got up and said, I have written very well, Swami.Are you sure?Yes, Swami, I have written well.No -- you spoiled (answered incorrectly) two questions, right?Yes, Swami.I know that you have spoiled two questions.Swami, I am sorry.Then He asked another boy, How have you done today?Very nicely, Swami.Mhmm. Are you confident? How are your marks today?100 percent.Ah, good. But yesterday in your science subject, you did not do well.Ah yes, Swami.I know, I know.Here is an important statement. Swami said, Being here I watch everywhere -- I watch everywhere. Moving here, I talk with My devotees all over the world. My devotees are present everywhere. I talk with them. This only means God is omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent. God is everywhere. Its a nice statement He made with depth and profundity, which needs our immediate attention.Then there was a time when the boys staged a drama in front of Swami in the College Auditorium. On the previous night, He called me and said, You go and see the rehearsals.Ive got this if-you-want-to-call-it weakness, or virtue (if you want to say that) or emotion (if you so prefer) of talking about Bhagavan with any number of people. Yes, any number of times I talk because I want to end my life speaking about Swami only. I have no other desire, nothing. Swami, please make me an effective instrument in spreading Your message. In spreading Your mission, please make me an instrument. I have no other desire.So that day I had an appointment with some Spanish-speaking group or some group. Since I was talking to them, I could not attend the rehearsals. But to mark my attendance, I went there because I knew that Swami would check the next morning. I didnt want to take a spiritual risk. So I went there at nine oclock. They had already completed two rehearsals by that time. But I said, Come on boys, redo it once again. Tomorrow Swami may ask me. The boys love me because I am quite free with them. All children come to me. You see, I love them and they love me.So I asked them and they said, We dont mind doing the rehearsal once again.I advised. You do this; you do that. I made some suggestions because the next day Swami might ask me.Next morning Swami called a few of the drama boys, Drama boys, come on! Did Anil Kumar attend last nights rehearsal?Swami, he attended.No, he only came at nine oclock, by which time you had already completed two rehearsals. He was giving some lecture somewhere. He is always like that. So he was delayed. Did he give you any suggestions?Swami, he did.How can he give suggestions? He was never an actor. He never acted in any drama. How can he give suggestions? Its all an act, thats all. Because he knows that I will check with you. (Laughter)Then He said, Hey actor, big actor -- come here. I thought that He was calling somebody else.How did you like the drama?Ah, very nice, Swami.Did you see it?Very nice.You went there at seven oclock, right?No Swami, I went at nine.He said, I know, I know. Be ready. Later on today I will come and see the drama. Thats what Bhagavan said.Now this is the serious point I want you to know. He called one boy with a well-built personality a hefty person.Boy, you played the role of Ravana. Ahbah! Character fitness very good. (Laughter)And He called another boy. You played the role of Hanuman, very nice. But where is the tail? You dont have a tail. Hanuman has a tail.Then He called another boy. Boy, you forgot your dialogues l
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