MOD: Re: [sl] intolerance
- I fear we are veering off topic and into an inflammatory area here.
Marc, as much as you see the danger in religion and Ambrose as much as
you see the good, this is not the place for hot
denunciations/refutations. If you want to continue this argument, place
take it off list.
Ambrose Hawk wrote:
>I watched a debate on TV yesterday, the whole bunch was there:
>Muslims and Humanists. It became very clear: the only ones who were
>concerned about people were the Humanists, the two big religions were
>trying to defend and impose their bullshit, they only care about
>and irrational ideas, not about people.
>Interesting ... and I suppose that Mother Theresa of Calcutta was not a
>Marc, I'd argue that the humanists are really only concerned with their
>illogical and petulant agendas which might make some folks feel good for
>a short time but only make the underlying problems they purport to treat
>vastly worse ...
>Islam, while very tolerant and 'Humanistic' at the beginning, has become
>a fascist converting war machine.
>A: Which beginning was this? The jihads and massacres undertaken by
>Mohammed and his immediate successors?
>The Catholic church refuses to adapt and keeps obliging people to
>believe that at mass the breath and wine literally become the flesh and
>blood of Christ,
>A: and if you don't believe that, then you aren't Catholic ... so
>what's the big deal?
>She (Catholic Church) doesn't respect women, refuses gays, but tolerates
>pederasts among its priests.
>Lets see, we're talking about the organization that until recently was
>called a religion for women and slaves? That derives the vast majority
>of its cultic behaviors from the visions of women mystics? That most
>other religions accuse of elevating a woman to co-equal status with the
>Creator in St. Mary?
>Nor does the Church refuse gays any more than it does folks with measles
>or any other disorder ... it does object, however, to deliberately
>proliferating such a disorder and objects to folks trying to prevent
>other folks from finding therapies for it. You may not consider
>homosexuality to be a disorder, but then again there are also folks who
>do not consider sobriety to be a disorder either.
>Nor does the Church "tolerate" pederasts. It is true that the Church
>believes in repentance and in conversion and is perhaps much too
>trusting in those matters ... but is also true that this problem in the
>Church is actually not as significant as it is among school teachers ...
>also the Papal response once it became aware of the scale of the problem
>Politicians here are aware of this fact and they expel without mercy
>every Imam who preaches the Jihad.
>Now where in the world would that be? AFAIK, such expulsions only occur
>when there is probative evidence of involvement with actual terrorist
>activity ... of course, I'm only aware of the policies of a few
>countries in this matter.
>IN HOC MODO MILLIS FRANGITVR .
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