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  • Daniel N. Washburn
    Hi, Mike These aren t the pics that I was thinking of but the best I could find. I remember some really impressinve ones that I saw years back when I was
    Message 1 of 10 , Sep 1, 2005
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      Hi, Mike

      These aren't the pics that I was thinking of but the best I could
      find. I remember some really impressinve ones that I saw years back
      when I was reading the National Enquirer a lot for laughs. Obviously
      the validity value here is not high!

      http://www.magneticman.com/videoclips.htm

      Dan

      mikebispham@... wrote:

      > In a message dated 8/31/05 11:54:06 AM GMT Daylight Time,
      > danw@... writes:
      >
      > "You remember pictures of magnetic people with all sorts of iron objects
      > hanging from their bodies. "
      >
      > Haven't seen them, any idea if these pictures are genuine Dan?
      > Sounds _highly_ suspect to me : )
      >
      > Mike
      >
      >
      > John-Brian Paprock wrote:
      >
      > >http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050830/ap_on_sc/fort_ancient_find
      > >
      > >New Structure Found at Ancient Ohio Site
      > >Tue Aug 30,10:56 AM ET
      > >
      > >
      > >Ohio authorities said a magnetometer, which can show disruptions
      > in magnetic
      > >soil particles, detected the structure below ground.
      > >
      >
      > Here a magnotometer is detecting under ground structure.
      >
      > You remember pictures of magnetic people with all sorts of iron
      > objects
      > hanging from their bodies. Suppose
      > someone is born with powerful magnetic abilities (not as powerful as
      > magneto in th ex-men, however!) Couldn't
      > they detect underground shifts in magnetic flux -- hence they could
      > sense ley lines if ley lines are really magnetic
      > in nature.
      >
      > Dan
      >
      >
      >
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    • Daniel N. Washburn
      Here is a blurb on the Magnetic Man s authenticity: The abilities of Miroslaw Magola are known to the most hard-line skeptics on both sides of the planet. Mr.
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        Here is a blurb on the Magnetic Man's authenticity:

        The abilities of Miroslaw Magola are known to the most hard-line
        skeptics on both sides of the planet. Mr. James Randi, who has spent a
        large part of his life and a lot of money to de-mask paranormal
        phenomenon, does not dispute the authenticity of Magola´s talents (and
        so far has avoided a scientific inspection of Magola´s abilities). The
        American James Randi Education Foundation (J.R.E.F) has examined unusual
        occurrences across the world. The author of this book has demonstrated
        his talents under the scrutiny of such well known scientists as Prof.
        Abhaya N. Deva, Ph. D. Roland Charczuk, Prof. Dr. Dipl. Psych. Toni
        Forster, Prof. Alex Schneider M. Sc, Dr. U.E. Hasler, Nene von Muralt,
        M. D. Jakob Boesch, Prof. Dr. Konstatin Korotkov, Dr. Paola Giovetti,
        Rainer Holbe, Dr. Serge Kahili King, Prof. Dr. Erlendur Haraldsson,
        Prof. Peter Mulacz, Edgar Wunder, Jack Houck, Elda Hartley, Prof. Robert
        Ritch, Dr. Alexander Imich, M. D. Ph. D Barbara G. Koopman to name but a
        few. The prominent Russian specialist for Kirlian photography, Dr.
        Dobruskin, has photographed Magola’s bio-plasmic field during his
        demonstrations. Magola has also been the subject of countless interviews
        and has had his photo on the front page of the world-renowned magazine
        for paranormal phenomenon’s, Encounters.

        The European scientific community has also turned their attention to the
        unique abilities of Magola, especially Dr.Dr. Walter v. Lacaudou from
        the university in Freiburg. In 1997 Dr. M. Karger of the German Max
        Plank Institute examined Magola´s talents and Prof. Dr. Dr.
        Ruhenstroth-Bauer of the same institute has proposed to include Magola
        in his project.

        The authors’ rare gift is also well known to the public through
        television. Together with Uri Geller, the most celebrated paranormalist
        on the planet, he took part in a live show for the British ITV on the
        subject of paranormal phenomenon. That show had over 13 million viewers
        in the UK alone, TV shows with Magola have also been broadcast by SF1
        and Telebasel (Switzerland),RTL (Luxemburg) and PRO7 (Germany) among
        others.

        Briefly said, he has successfully demonstrated his authenticity to the
        world.



        Daniel N. Washburn wrote:

        >Hi, Mike
        >
        >These aren't the pics that I was thinking of but the best I could
        >find. I remember some really impressinve ones that I saw years back
        >when I was reading the National Enquirer a lot for laughs. Obviously
        >the validity value here is not high!
        >
        >http://www.magneticman.com/videoclips.htm
        >
        >Dan
        >
        >mikebispham@... wrote:
        >
        >
        >
        >>In a message dated 8/31/05 11:54:06 AM GMT Daylight Time,
        >>danw@... writes:
        >>
        >>"You remember pictures of magnetic people with all sorts of iron objects
        >>hanging from their bodies. "
        >>
        >> Haven't seen them, any idea if these pictures are genuine Dan?
        >> Sounds _highly_ suspect to me : )
        >>
        >> Mike
        >>
        >>
        >> John-Brian Paprock wrote:
        >>
        >> >http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050830/ap_on_sc/fort_ancient_find
        >> >
        >> >New Structure Found at Ancient Ohio Site
        >> >Tue Aug 30,10:56 AM ET
        >> >
        >> >
        >> >Ohio authorities said a magnetometer, which can show disruptions
        >> in magnetic
        >> >soil particles, detected the structure below ground.
        >> >
        >>
        >> Here a magnotometer is detecting under ground structure.
        >>
        >> You remember pictures of magnetic people with all sorts of iron
        >> objects
        >> hanging from their bodies. Suppose
        >> someone is born with powerful magnetic abilities (not as powerful as
        >> magneto in th ex-men, however!) Couldn't
        >> they detect underground shifts in magnetic flux -- hence they could
        >> sense ley lines if ley lines are really magnetic
        >> in nature.
        >>
        >> Dan
        >>
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      • mikebispham@aol.com
        Hi Dan This is surely a red herring, but anyway... a) What is your source? Where does the attestation to mr magnet s abilities that you provide come from?
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          Hi Dan
           
          This is surely a red herring, but anyway...
           
          a) What is your source?  Where does the attestation to mr magnet's abilities that you provide come from?  (and what is its date)
           
          b)  "Briefly said, he has successfully demonstrated his authenticity to the world."
           
          >"... so far has avoided a scientific inspection
          of Magola´s abilities)."
           
          I don't think so!  Not until a papers detailing close experiments have been published in a reputable journals, and its finding replicated and published.
           
          Keep working at that bs filter Dan! 
           
          Mike
           
          In a message dated 9/1/05 11:32:06 AM GMT Daylight Time, danw@... writes:
          Here is a blurb on the Magnetic Man's authenticity:

          The abilities of Miroslaw Magola are known to the most hard-line
          skeptics on both sides of the planet. Mr. James Randi, who has spent a
          large part of his life and a lot of money to de-mask paranormal
          phenomenon, does not dispute the authenticity of Magola´s talents (and
          so far has avoided a scientific inspection of Magola´s abilities). The
          American James Randi Education Foundation (J.R.E.F) has examined unusual
          occurrences across the world. The author of this book has demonstrated
          his talents under the scrutiny of such well known scientists as Prof.
          Abhaya N. Deva, Ph. D. Roland Charczuk, Prof. Dr. Dipl. Psych. Toni
          Forster, Prof. Alex Schneider M. Sc, Dr. U.E. Hasler, Nene von Muralt,
          M. D. Jakob Boesch, Prof. Dr. Konstatin Korotkov, Dr. Paola Giovetti,
          Rainer Holbe, Dr. Serge Kahili King, Prof. Dr. Erlendur Haraldsson,
          Prof. Peter Mulacz, Edgar Wunder, Jack Houck, Elda Hartley, Prof. Robert
          Ritch, Dr. Alexander Imich, M. D. Ph. D Barbara G. Koopman to name but a
          few. The prominent Russian specialist for Kirlian photography, Dr.
          Dobruskin, has photographed Magola’s bio-plasmic field during his
          demonstrations. Magola has also been the subject of countless interviews
          and has had his photo on the front page of the world-renowned magazine
          for paranormal phenomenon’s, Encounters.

          The European scientific community has also turned their attention to the
          unique abilities of Magola, especially Dr.Dr. Walter v. Lacaudou from
          the university in Freiburg. In 1997 Dr. M. Karger of the German Max
          Plank Institute examined Magola´s talents and Prof. Dr. Dr.
          Ruhenstroth-Bauer of the same institute has proposed to include Magola
          in his project.

          The authors’ rare gift is also well known to the public through
          television. Together with Uri Geller, the most celebrated paranormalist
          on the planet, he took part in a live show for the British ITV on the
          subject of paranormal phenomenon. That show had over 13 million viewers
          in the UK alone, TV shows with Magola have also been broadcast by SF1
          and Telebasel (Switzerland),RTL (Luxemburg) and PRO7 (Germany) among
          others.

          Briefly said, he has successfully demonstrated his authenticity to the
          world.



          Daniel N. Washburn wrote:

          >Hi, Mike
          >
          >These aren't the pics that I was thinking of  but the best I could
          >find.  I remember some really impressinve ones that I saw years back
          >when I was reading the National Enquirer a lot for laughs.  Obviously
          >the validity value here is not high!
          >
          >http://www.magneticman.com/videoclips.htm
          >
          >Dan
          >
          >mikebispham@... wrote:
          >

          >
          >>In a message dated 8/31/05 11:54:06 AM GMT Daylight Time,
          >>danw@... writes:
          >>
          >>"You remember pictures of magnetic people with all sorts of iron objects
          >>hanging from their bodies.  "
          >>
          >>    Haven't seen them, any idea if these pictures are genuine Dan?
          >>    Sounds _highly_ suspect to me : )
          >>    
          >>    Mike
          >>    
          >>
          >>    John-Brian Paprock wrote:
          >>
          >>    >http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050830/ap_on_sc/fort_ancient_find
          >>    >
          >>    >New Structure Found at Ancient Ohio Site
          >>    >Tue Aug 30,10:56 AM ET
          >>    >
          >>    >
          >>    >Ohio authorities said a magnetometer, which can show disruptions
          >>    in magnetic
          >>    >soil particles, detected the structure below ground.
          >>    >
          >>
          >>    Here a magnotometer is detecting under ground structure.
          >>
          >>    You remember pictures of magnetic people with all sorts of iron
          >>    objects
          >>    hanging from their bodies.  Suppose
          >>    someone is born with powerful magnetic abilities (not as powerful as
          >>    magneto in th ex-men, however!) Couldn't
          >>    they detect underground shifts in magnetic flux -- hence they could
          >>    sense ley lines if ley lines are really magnetic
          >>    in nature.
          >>
          >>    Dan
           
        • Daniel N. Washburn
          Geez Mike, not another skeptic rant. Can t we get a laugh out of you, or even just a little smile? The list is supposed to be funny as well as informative.
          Message 4 of 10 , Sep 1, 2005
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            Geez Mike, not another skeptic rant. Can't we get a laugh out of you,
            or even just a little smile? The list is supposed to be funny as well
            as informative.

            Dan

            mikebispham@... wrote:

            > Hi Dan
            >
            > This is surely a red herring, but anyway...
            >
            > a) What is your source? Where does the attestation to mr magnet's
            > abilities that you provide come from? (and what is its date)
            >
            > b) "Briefly said, he has successfully demonstrated his authenticity
            > to the world."
            >
            > >"... so far has avoided a scientific inspection of Magola´s abilities)."
            >
            > I don't think so! Not until a papers detailing close experiments have
            > been published in a reputable journals, and its finding replicated and
            > published.
            >
            > Keep working at that bs filter Dan!
            >
            > Mike
            >
            > In a message dated 9/1/05 11:32:06 AM GMT Daylight Time,
            > danw@... writes:
            >
            > Here is a blurb on the Magnetic Man's authenticity:
            >
            > The abilities of Miroslaw Magola are known to the most hard-line
            > skeptics on both sides of the planet. Mr. James Randi, who has
            > spent a
            > large part of his life and a lot of money to de-mask paranormal
            > phenomenon, does not dispute the authenticity of Magola´s talents
            > (and
            > so far has avoided a scientific inspection of Magola´s abilities).
            > The
            > American James Randi Education Foundation (J.R.E.F) has examined
            > unusual
            > occurrences across the world. The author of this book has
            > demonstrated
            > his talents under the scrutiny of such well known scientists as Prof.
            > Abhaya N. Deva, Ph. D. Roland Charczuk, Prof. Dr. Dipl. Psych. Toni
            > Forster, Prof. Alex Schneider M. Sc, Dr. U.E. Hasler, Nene von
            > Muralt,
            > M. D. Jakob Boesch, Prof. Dr. Konstatin Korotkov, Dr. Paola Giovetti,
            > Rainer Holbe, Dr. Serge Kahili King, Prof. Dr. Erlendur Haraldsson,
            > Prof. Peter Mulacz, Edgar Wunder, Jack Houck, Elda Hartley, Prof.
            > Robert
            > Ritch, Dr. Alexander Imich, M. D. Ph. D Barbara G. Koopman to name
            > but a
            > few. The prominent Russian specialist for Kirlian photography, Dr.
            > Dobruskin, has photographed Magola’s bio-plasmic field during his
            > demonstrations. Magola has also been the subject of countless
            > interviews
            > and has had his photo on the front page of the world-renowned
            > magazine
            > for paranormal phenomenon’s, Encounters.
            >
            > The European scientific community has also turned their attention
            > to the
            > unique abilities of Magola, especially Dr.Dr. Walter v. Lacaudou from
            > the university in Freiburg. In 1997 Dr. M. Karger of the German Max
            > Plank Institute examined Magola´s talents and Prof. Dr. Dr.
            > Ruhenstroth-Bauer of the same institute has proposed to include
            > Magola
            > in his project.
            >
            > The authors’ rare gift is also well known to the public through
            > television. Together with Uri Geller, the most celebrated
            > paranormalist
            > on the planet, he took part in a live show for the British ITV on the
            > subject of paranormal phenomenon. That show had over 13 million
            > viewers
            > in the UK alone, TV shows with Magola have also been broadcast by SF1
            > and Telebasel (Switzerland),RTL (Luxemburg) and PRO7 (Germany) among
            > others.
            >
            > Briefly said, he has successfully demonstrated his authenticity to
            > the
            > world.
            >
            >
            >
            > Daniel N. Washburn wrote:
            >
            > >Hi, Mike
            > >
            > >These aren't the pics that I was thinking of but the best I could
            > >find. I remember some really impressinve ones that I saw years back
            > >when I was reading the National Enquirer a lot for laughs.
            > Obviously
            > >the validity value here is not high!
            > >
            > >http://www.magneticman.com/videoclips.htm
            > >
            > >Dan
            > >
            > >mikebispham@... wrote:
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > >>In a message dated 8/31/05 11:54:06 AM GMT Daylight Time,
            > >>danw@... writes:
            > >>
            > >>"You remember pictures of magnetic people with all sorts of iron
            > objects
            > >>hanging from their bodies. "
            > >>
            > >> Haven't seen them, any idea if these pictures are genuine Dan?
            > >> Sounds _highly_ suspect to me : )
            > >>
            > >> Mike
            > >>
            > >>
            > >> John-Brian Paprock wrote:
            > >>
            > >> >http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050830/ap_on_sc/fort_ancient_find
            > >> >
            > >> >New Structure Found at Ancient Ohio Site
            > >> >Tue Aug 30,10:56 AM ET
            > >> >
            > >> >
            > >> >Ohio authorities said a magnetometer, which can show
            > disruptions
            > >> in magnetic
            > >> >soil particles, detected the structure below ground.
            > >> >
            > >>
            > >> Here a magnotometer is detecting under ground structure.
            > >>
            > >> You remember pictures of magnetic people with all sorts of iron
            > >> objects
            > >> hanging from their bodies. Suppose
            > >> someone is born with powerful magnetic abilities (not as
            > powerful as
            > >> magneto in th ex-men, however!) Couldn't
            > >> they detect underground shifts in magnetic flux -- hence
            > they could
            > >> sense ley lines if ley lines are really magnetic
            > >> in nature.
            > >>
            > >> Dan
            >
            >
            >
            >
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            > http://www.luckymojo.com/sacredland.html
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          • mikebispham@aol.com
            I did wonder : ) Mike In a message dated 9/2/05 2:39:52 AM GMT Daylight Time, danw@netmastersinc.com writes: Geez Mike, not another skeptic rant. Can t we
            Message 5 of 10 , Sep 2, 2005
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              I did wonder : ) 
               
              Mike
               
              In a message dated 9/2/05 2:39:52 AM GMT Daylight Time, danw@... writes:
              Geez Mike, not another skeptic rant.  Can't we get a laugh out of you,
              or even just a little smile?   The list is supposed to be funny as well
              as informative.

              Dan
               
            • Marc Steurbaut
              Skeptic guys aren t loved on the Internet, they are even becoming an endangered species. The name skeptic itself has a negative connotation, as has the word
              Message 6 of 10 , Sep 2, 2005
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                Skeptic guys aren't loved on the Internet, they are even becoming an endangered species. The name 'skeptic' itself has a negative connotation, as has the word 'debunker'. 
                The trend today is: believe without questioning. People want to 'believe', more than ever.
                Personally I have been banned from two groups because they judged me 'too skeptical'. They usuallly describe themselves as being 'open minded', but I'm still not sure what they mean by this.
                I think Mike's questions are the bare minimum if one wants to find out if the magnetic guy is 'genuine' or not.
                 
                -------Oorspronkelijk bericht-------
                 
                Datum: 09/02/05 03:39:24
                Onderwerp: Re: [sl] Magnetic people???
                 
                Geez Mike, not another skeptic rant.  Can't we get a laugh out of you,
                or even just a little smile?   The list is supposed to be funny as well
                as informative.
                 
                Dan
                 
                 
                > Hi Dan
                >
                > This is surely a red herring, but anyway...
                >
                > a) What is your source?  Where does the attestation to mr magnet's
                > abilities that you provide come from?  (and what is its date)
                >
                > b)  "Briefly said, he has successfully demonstrated his authenticity
                > to the world."
                >
                > >"... so far has avoided a scientific inspection of Magola´s abilities)."
                >
                > I don't think so!  Not until a papers detailing close experiments have
                > been published in a reputable journals, and its finding replicated and
                > published.
                >
                > Keep working at that bs filter Dan!
                >
                > Mike
                >
                > In a message dated 9/1/05 11:32:06 AM GMT Daylight Time,
                > danw@... writes:
                >
                >     Here is a blurb on the Magnetic Man's authenticity:
                >
                >     The abilities of Miroslaw Magola are known to the most hard-line
                >     skeptics on both sides of the planet. Mr. James Randi, who has
                >     spent a
                >     large part of his life and a lot of money to de-mask paranormal
                >     phenomenon, does not dispute the authenticity of Magola´s talents
                >     (and
                >     so far has avoided a scientific inspection of Magola´s abilities).
                >     The
                >     American James Randi Education Foundation (J.R.E.F) has examined
                >     unusual
                >     occurrences across the world. The author of this book has
                >     demonstrated
                >     his talents under the scrutiny of such well known scientists as Prof.
                >     Abhaya N. Deva, Ph. D. Roland Charczuk, Prof. Dr. Dipl. Psych. Toni
                >     Forster, Prof. Alex Schneider M. Sc, Dr. U.E. Hasler, Nene von
                >     Muralt,
                >     M. D. Jakob Boesch, Prof. Dr. Konstatin Korotkov, Dr. Paola Giovetti,
                >     Rainer Holbe, Dr. Serge Kahili King, Prof. Dr. Erlendur Haraldsson,
                >     Prof. Peter Mulacz, Edgar Wunder, Jack Houck, Elda Hartley, Prof.
                >     Robert
                >     Ritch, Dr. Alexander Imich, M. D. Ph. D Barbara G. Koopman to name
                >     but a
                >     few. The prominent Russian specialist for Kirlian photography, Dr.
                >     Dobruskin, has photographed Magola’s bio-plasmic field during his
                >     demonstrations. Magola has also been the subject of countless
                >     interviews
                >     and has had his photo on the front page of the world-renowned
                >     magazine
                >     for paranormal phenomenon’s, Encounters.
                >
                >     The European scientific community has also turned their attention
                >     to the
                >     unique abilities of Magola, especially Dr.Dr. Walter v. Lacaudou from
                >     the university in Freiburg. In 1997 Dr. M. Karger of the German Max
                >     Plank Institute examined Magola´s talents and Prof. Dr. Dr.
                >     Ruhenstroth-Bauer of the same institute has proposed to include
                >     Magola
                >     in his project.
                >
                >     The authors’ rare gift is also well known to the public through
                >     television. Together with Uri Geller, the most celebrated
                >     paranormalist
                >     on the planet, he took part in a live show for the British ITV on the
                >     subject of paranormal phenomenon. That show had over 13 million
                >     viewers
                >     in the UK alone, TV shows with Magola have also been broadcast by SF1
                >     and Telebasel (Switzerland),RTL (Luxemburg) and PRO7 (Germany) among
                >     others.
                >
                >     Briefly said, he has successfully demonstrated his authenticity to
                >     the
                >     world.
                >
                >
                >
                >     Daniel N. Washburn wrote:
                >
                >     >Hi, Mike
                >     >
                >     >These aren't the pics that I was thinking of  but the best I could
                >     >find.  I remember some really impressinve ones that I saw years back
                >     >when I was reading the National Enquirer a lot for laughs.
                >     Obviously
                >     >the validity value here is not high!
                >     >
                >     >
                >     >Dan
                >     >
                >     &gt;mikebispham@... wrote:
                >     >
                >     >
                >     >
                >     >>In a message dated 8/31/05 11:54:06 AM GMT Daylight Time,
                >     >&gt;danw@... writes:
                >     >>
                >     >>"You remember pictures of magnetic people with all sorts of iron
                >     objects
                >     >>hanging from their bodies.  "
                >     >>
                >     >>    Haven't seen them, any idea if these pictures are genuine Dan?
                >     >>    Sounds _highly_ suspect to me : )
                >     >>
                >     >>    Mike
                >     >>
                >     >>
                >     >>    John-Brian Paprock wrote:
                >     >>
                >     >>    >
                >     >>    >New Structure Found at Ancient Ohio Site
                >     >>    >Tue Aug 30,10:56 AM ET
                >     >>    >
                >     >>    >
                >     >>    >Ohio authorities said a magnetometer, which can show
                >     disruptions
                >     >>    in magnetic
                >     >>    >soil particles, detected the structure below ground.
                >     >>    >
                >     >>
                >     >>    Here a magnotometer is detecting under ground structure.
                >     >>
                >     >>    You remember pictures of magnetic people with all sorts of iron
                >     >>    objects
                >     >>    hanging from their bodies.  Suppose
                >     >>    someone is born with powerful magnetic abilities (not as
                >     powerful as
                >     >>    magneto in th ex-men, however!) Couldn't
                >     >>    they detect underground shifts in magnetic flux -- hence
                >     they could
                >     >>    sense ley lines if ley lines are really magnetic
                >     >>    in nature.
                >     >>
                >     >>    Dan
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              • Daniel N. Washburn
                ... I agree, Marc. Just thought the whole thing was a hoot that added only a minute amount to the possibility that energy lines were magnetic in nature and
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                  Marc Steurbaut wrote:

                  > I think Mike's questions are the bare minimum if one wants to find out
                  > if the magnetic guy is 'genuine' or not.


                  I agree, Marc. Just thought the whole thing was a hoot that added only
                  a minute amount to the possibility that 'energy lines' were magnetic in
                  nature and that some people who were magnetically sensitive could
                  recognize them, either as inner experiences or via unconsciously created
                  twig twitches.

                  Dan
                • Marc Steurbaut
                  Dowsing rods used to be made out of a willow-tree branch. People had noticed that willow trees grow on places with abundant ground water. Since they were
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                    Dowsing rods used to be made out of a willow-tree branch. People had noticed that willow trees grow on places with abundant ground water. Since they were thinking 'by analogy' in those days, they supposed that the willow-tree branch would be able to find water. Quite amusing. 
                     
                    -------Oorspronkelijk bericht-------
                     
                    Datum: 09/02/05 12:28:42
                    Onderwerp: Re: [sl] Magnetic people???
                     
                     
                    Marc Steurbaut wrote:
                     
                    > I think Mike's questions are the bare minimum if one wants to find out
                    > if the magnetic guy is 'genuine' or not.
                     
                     
                    I agree, Marc.  Just thought the whole thing was a hoot that added only
                    a minute amount to the possibility that 'energy lines' were magnetic in
                    nature and that some people who were magnetically sensitive could
                    recognize them, either as inner experiences or via unconsciously created
                    twig twitches.
                     
                    Dan
                     
                     
                     
                     
                     
                     
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                  • mikebispham@aol.com
                    Hi Marc It seems to me we can divide ourselves into two cultures – those trying to form beliefs that are well-rooted in fact and rationality; and those
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                      Hi Marc

                       

                      It seems to me we can divide ourselves into two cultures – those trying to form beliefs that are well-rooted in fact and rationality; and those seeking beliefs that comfort and reassure.  That's not as mutally-exclusive as it sounds - for most of us there are times when our rationality in insufficient, or our faith falters.

                       

                      In broad terms though, the former have to do a ton of work – hard reading and analysis by study and dialogue - in order to sift the chaff from the wheat, or – an older metaphor – the gold from the dross.  The latter can simply drift in and out of different schools of thought, attaching themselves to whatever appeals, regardless of any need to discern any real sense of truth, of attachment to what is real. 

                       

                      Like many people, Dan tries to sit in the middle, to have it both ways.  He believes if he reads a bit (though uncritically) but meditates long enough and hard enough, the truth will crystallise in his mind.  (It hasn't happened yet.)

                       

                      We find what we feel to be his over-open mindedness irritating because it muddles, and interferes with, our efforts to understand phenomena rationally.  However, in the long run addressing his complaints will strengthen us. 

                       

                      Interesting you say ‘skeptic’ and ‘debunker’ have negative connotations!  To me to be skeptical is a crucial, fundamental part of the effort to understand myself and the world.  To debunk unfounded claims is a social duty : ) 

                       

                      ‘Open-mindedness’ is of course in the mind of the beholder, as it were.  As someone on this list once put it, the trick is to be open-minded, but not so open-minded your brains fall out! 

                       

                      Doubt on mate!

                       

                      Mike

                       

                      PS I think I may have missed a cultural cue:

                       

                      >I was reading the National

                      Enquirer a lot for laughs.

                       

                      I guess this mag is not known for its accuracy?

                       

                       

                      In a message dated 9/2/05 8:57:25 AM GMT Daylight Time, marc.steurbaut@... writes:

                       

                      Skeptic guys aren't loved on the Internet, they are even becoming an endangered species. The name 'skeptic' itself has a negative connotation, as has the word 'debunker'. 

                       

                      The trend today is: believe without questioning. People want to 'believe', more than ever.

                       

                      Personally I have been banned from two groups because they judged me 'too skeptical'. They usuallly describe themselves as being 'open minded', but I'm still not sure what they mean by this.

                       

                      I think Mike's questions are the bare minimum if one wants to find out if the magnetic guy is 'genuine' or not.
                       
                      Geez Mike, not another skeptic rant.  Can't we get a laugh out of you,
                      or even just a little smile?   The list is supposed to be funny as well
                      as informative.

                      Dan

                      mikebispham@... wrote:

                      > Hi Dan

                      > This is surely a red herring,
                      but anyway...

                      > a) What is your source?  Where does
                      the attestation to mr magnet's
                      > abilities that you provide come
                      from?  (and what is its date)

                      > b)  "Briefly
                      said, he has successfully demonstrated his authenticity
                      > to the
                      world."

                      > >"... so far has avoided a scientific
                      inspection of Magola´s abilities)."

                      > I don't think
                      so!  Not until a papers detailing close experiments have
                      > been
                      published in a reputable journals, and its finding replicated and
                      >
                      published.

                      > Keep working at that bs filter Dan!

                      > Mike

                      > In a message dated 9/1/05
                      11:32:06 AM GMT Daylight Time,
                      > danw@...
                      writes:
                      >
                      >     Here is a blurb on the Magnetic Man's
                      authenticity:
                      >
                      >     The abilities of Miroslaw
                      Magola are known to the most hard-line
                      >     skeptics on
                      both sides of the planet. Mr. James Randi, who has
                      >    
                      spent a
                      >     large part of his life and a lot of money to
                      de-mask paranormal
                      >     phenomenon, does not dispute the
                      authenticity of Magola´s talents
                      >     (and
                         so far has avoided a scientific inspection of Magola´s abilities).
                      >     The
                      >     American
                      James Randi Education Foundation (J.R.E.F) has examined
                         unusual
                      >     occurrences across the world.
                      The author of this book has
                      >    
                      demonstrated
                      >     his talents under the scrutiny of such
                      well known scientists as Prof.
                      >     Abhaya N. Deva, Ph. D.
                      Roland Charczuk, Prof. Dr. Dipl. Psych. Toni
                      >     Forster,
                      Prof. Alex Schneider M. Sc, Dr. U.E. Hasler, Nene von
                      >    
                      Muralt,
                      >     M. D. Jakob Boesch, Prof. Dr. Konstatin
                      Korotkov, Dr. Paola Giovetti,
                      >     Rainer Holbe, Dr. Serge
                      Kahili King, Prof. Dr. Erlendur Haraldsson,
                      >     Prof.
                      Peter Mulacz, Edgar Wunder, Jack Houck, Elda Hartley, Prof.
                         Robert
                      >     Ritch, Dr. Alexander Imich, M. D.
                      Ph. D Barbara G. Koopman to name
                      >     but a
                         few. The prominent Russian specialist for Kirlian photography, Dr.
                      >     Dobruskin, has photographed Magola’s bio-plasmic
                      field during his
                      >     demonstrations. Magola has also been
                      the subject of countless
                      >     interviews
                         and has had his photo on the front page of the world-renowned
                      >     magazine
                      >    
                      for paranormal phenomenon’s, Encounters.
                      >
                      >     The
                      European scientific community has also turned their attention
                         to the
                      >     unique abilities of Magola,
                      especially Dr.Dr. Walter v. Lacaudou from
                      >     the
                      university in Freiburg. In 1997 Dr. M. Karger of the German Max
                         Plank Institute examined Magola´s talents and Prof. Dr. Dr.
                      >     Ruhenstroth-Bauer of the same institute has
                      proposed to include
                      >     Magola
                      >    
                      in his project.
                      >
                      >     The authors’ rare gift is
                      also well known to the public through
                      >     television.
                      Together with Uri Geller, the most celebrated
                      >    
                      paranormalist
                      >     on the planet, he took part in a live
                      show for the British ITV on the
                      >     subject of paranormal
                      phenomenon. That show had over 13 million
                      >    
                      viewers
                      >     in the UK alone, TV shows with Magola have
                      also been broadcast by SF1
                      >     and Telebasel
                      (Switzerland),RTL (Luxemburg) and PRO7 (Germany) among
                         others.
                      >
                      >     Briefly said, he has
                      successfully demonstrated his authenticity to
                      >    
                      the
                      >     world.
                      >
                      >
                      >
                         Daniel N. Washburn wrote:
                      >
                      >     >Hi, Mike
                      >     >
                      >     >These aren't the pics that I was thinking of  but the best I
                      could
                      >     >find.  I remember some really
                      impressinve ones that I saw years back
                      >     >when I was
                      reading the National Enquirer a lot for laughs.
                      >    
                      Obviously
                      >     >the validity value here is not
                      high!
                      >     >
                      >     >http://www.magneticman.com/videoclips.htm
                      >     >
                      >     >Dan
                      >     >
                      >     >mikebispham@... wrote:
                         >
                      >     >
                      >     >
                      >     >>In a message dated 8/31/05 11:54:06 AM
                      GMT Daylight Time,
                      >     >>danw@...
                      writes:
                      >     >>
                      >     >>"You remember pictures of magnetic people with all sorts of
                      iron
                      >     objects
                      >     >>hanging from their bodies.  "
                      >     >>
                      >     >>    Haven't seen them, any
                      idea if these pictures are genuine Dan?
                      >     >>    Sounds _highly_ suspect to me : )
                         >>   
                      >     >> 
                        Mike
                      >     >>   
                         >>
                      >     >>   
                      John-Brian Paprock wrote:
                      >     >>
                         >>   
                      >http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050830/ap_on_sc/fort_ancient_find
                         >>    >
                      >     >>    >New Structure Found at Ancient Ohio Site
                         >>    >Tue Aug 30,10:56 AM ET
                         >>    >
                      >     >>    >
                      >     >>    >Ohio authorities said a magnetometer, which can show
                         disruptions
                      >     >>    in
                      magnetic
                      >     >>    >soil particles,
                      detected the structure below ground.
                      >     >> 
                        >
                      >     >>
                      >     >>    Here a magnotometer is detecting under ground
                      structure.
                      >     >>
                      >     >>    You remember pictures of magnetic people with all sorts of
                      iron
                      >     >>    objects
                         >>    hanging from their bodies.  Suppose
                      >     >>    someone is born with
                      powerful magnetic abilities (not as
                      >     powerful
                      as
                      >     >>    magneto in th ex-men,
                      however!) Couldn't
                      >     >>    they detect
                      underground shifts in magnetic flux -- hence
                      >     they
                      could
                      >     >>    sense ley lines if ley
                      lines are really magnetic
                      >     >>    in
                      nature.
                      >     >>
                      >     >>    Dan
                      >

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