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• ABRACADABRA, Please and Thank You, and any other magic words which may escape my attention, knowledge or memory, Barry and the SL list, Where do you find a
Message 1 of 2 , Feb 25, 1999
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ABRACADABRA, Please and Thank You, and any other magic words which may
escape my attention, knowledge or memory,

Barry and the SL list,

Where do you find a relationship between Venus and 260? I haven't
tried to check this out yet, but the books I have read on the
Mayans say that there is no coorelation between 260 and any known
natural cycle. I know that the Mayans were big watchers of
Venus. Veilikofsky(?) was quite impressed by the Mayan intrest in
Venus. So if there is a connection between 260 days and Venus,
then it would not be surprising that the Mayans used the number in their
system.

The question is somewhat important to me because I am trying to find
the basis for the commonalities between esoteric numerical
systems in cultures that evolved in isolation (both distance & time)
from each other. Obviously, observed natural cycles form the most
easily explained commonalities. 365 days in a solar year, number of
days in a lunar month, etc.

But beyond natural cycles, there are other ways that numbers (and
geometry, the two are inseperable) can be associated with ideas.
Logically, anything which is common to two seperate cultures can be the
basis for a parallel. As we have discussed previously, brains
are common to all people. Therefore, properties of the brain are common
to all people, and the experiences associated with the physical
properties of the brain (like things you see when having a migrain
headache) are common to all people. So we have the same kinds of rock
art forms in different places at different times.

However, what about mathematics itself? What I mean is that 7 is a
prime number. 7 is prime in India, in America, in 3,000 BC and in the
foreseeable future. Can pure mathematical considerations alone provide
a basis for a common belief or structure between cultures?
I have been thinking along lines that assume that the answer to the
question is yes. In fact, following along with Plato, one idea might
have it
that the more "physical" or "natural" the association with number, the
less "spiritual" or "magical" it is. It does seem that the pythagoreans
(and
others before and after) based a great deal of explanation and
philosophy on nothing more than the pure mathematical properties of
whole numbers.

Having a wonderful wine,
wish you were beer,
at the Mountains of Murphy . . .

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• ... mark-- i d be very cautious about anything velikovsky said. also i don t know what you are reading, but a lot of popular works on the maya that are more
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>Barry and the SL list,
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> Where do you find a relationship between Venus and 260? I haven't
>tried to check this out yet, but the books I have read on the
>Mayans say that there is no coorelation between 260 and any known
>natural cycle. I know that the Mayans were big watchers of
>Venus. Veilikofsky(?) was quite impressed by the Mayan intrest in
>Venus. So if there is a connection between 260 days and Venus,
>then it would not be surprising that the Mayans used the number in their
>system.
>
>

mark--
i'd be very cautious about anything velikovsky said.
also i don't know what you are reading, but a lot of popular works on the
maya that are more than 10 years old are simply out of date. so much has
been learned in the last decade.

re venus and 260:
on the other hand Anthony Aveni is a guy whose work you should get to know.
he is the godfather of archaeoastronmy. he organized early
interdisciplinary conferences of the subject and is a prolific, very
readable writer of various relared topics

this very subject: the ancient maya -- astronomy and the cult of venus, is
the title of chapter four in, Stairway to the Stars--Skywatching in three
great ancient cultures.

the jist of it is that venus was the celestial personification of
kukulkan,maya name for the feathered serpent.the 260 day cycle was called
the "tzolkin". some isolated mayan folk still track it. he explains how its
numerical mechanics mesh with the larger counts of the maya calendar. a
table for this purpose is part of the Dresden Codex, one of the handful of
surviving maya books. the ruling class built structures that aided in
tracking this planet partly because it was important to time raids on their
neighbors to capture sacrificial victims for sacrifice to ensure water and
maize.

send me a \$1.50 in postage stamps and i'll send you xerox of the whole
chapter.
b. carroll,1101 payne av, austin, tx, 78757------or buy aveni's book. there
is so much good stuff in it.B

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