5247Re: [sl] Magnetic people???
- Sep 2, 2005
It seems to me we can divide ourselves into two cultures – those trying to form beliefs that are well-rooted in fact and rationality; and those seeking beliefs that comfort and reassure. That's not as mutally-exclusive as it sounds - for most of us there are times when our rationality in insufficient, or our faith falters.
In broad terms though, the former have to do a ton of work – hard reading and analysis by study and dialogue - in order to sift the chaff from the wheat, or – an older metaphor – the gold from the dross. The latter can simply drift in and out of different schools of thought, attaching themselves to whatever appeals, regardless of any need to discern any real sense of truth, of attachment to what is real.
Like many people, Dan tries to sit in the middle, to have it both ways. He believes if he reads a bit (though uncritically) but meditates long enough and hard enough, the truth will crystallise in his mind. (It hasn't happened yet.)
We find what we feel to be his over-open mindedness irritating because it muddles, and interferes with, our efforts to understand phenomena rationally. However, in the long run addressing his complaints will strengthen us.
Interesting you say ‘skeptic’ and ‘debunker’ have negative connotations! To me to be skeptical is a crucial, fundamental part of the effort to understand myself and the world. To debunk unfounded claims is a social duty : )
‘Open-mindedness’ is of course in the mind of the beholder, as it were. As someone on this list once put it, the trick is to be open-minded, but not so open-minded your brains fall out!
Doubt on mate!
PS I think I may have missed a cultural cue:
Enquirer a lot for laughs.
>I was reading the National
I guess this mag is not known for its accuracy?
In a message dated 9/2/05 8:57:25 AM GMT Daylight Time, marc.steurbaut@... writes:
Skeptic guys aren't loved on the Internet, they are even becoming an endangered species. The name 'skeptic' itself has a negative connotation, as has the word 'debunker'.
The trend today is: believe without questioning. People want to 'believe', more than ever.
Personally I have been banned from two groups because they judged me 'too skeptical'. They usuallly describe themselves as being 'open minded', but I'm still not sure what they mean by this.Geez Mike, not another skeptic rant. Can't we get a laugh out of you,
or even just a little smile? The list is supposed to be funny as well
> Hi Danbut anyway...
> This is surely a red herring,
>the attestation to mr magnet's
> a) What is your source? Where does
> abilities that you provide comefrom? (and what is its date)
>said, he has successfully demonstrated his authenticity
> b) "Briefly
> to theworld."
>inspection of Magola´s abilities)."
> >"... so far has avoided a scientific
>so! Not until a papers detailing close experiments have
> I don't think
> beenpublished in a reputable journals, and its finding replicated and
>11:32:06 AM GMT Daylight Time,
> Keep working at that bs filter Dan!
> In a message dated 9/1/05
> Here is a blurb on the Magnetic Man's
>Magola are known to the most hard-line
> The abilities of Miroslaw
> skeptics onboth sides of the planet. Mr. James Randi, who has
> large part of his life and a lot of money tode-mask paranormal
> phenomenon, does not dispute theauthenticity of Magola´s talents
> (andso far has avoided a scientific inspection of Magola´s abilities).
> TheJames Randi Education Foundation (J.R.E.F) has examined
> occurrences across the world.The author of this book has
> his talents under the scrutiny of suchwell known scientists as Prof.
> Abhaya N. Deva, Ph. D.Roland Charczuk, Prof. Dr. Dipl. Psych. Toni
> Forster,Prof. Alex Schneider M. Sc, Dr. U.E. Hasler, Nene von
> M. D. Jakob Boesch, Prof. Dr. KonstatinKorotkov, Dr. Paola Giovetti,
> Rainer Holbe, Dr. SergeKahili King, Prof. Dr. Erlendur Haraldsson,
> Prof.Peter Mulacz, Edgar Wunder, Jack Houck, Elda Hartley, Prof.
> Ritch, Dr. Alexander Imich, M. D.Ph. D Barbara G. Koopman to name
> but afew. The prominent Russian specialist for Kirlian photography, Dr.
> Dobruskin, has photographed Magola’s bio-plasmicfield during his
> demonstrations. Magola has also beenthe subject of countless
> interviewsand has had his photo on the front page of the world-renowned
> magazinefor paranormal phenomenon’s, Encounters.
>European scientific community has also turned their attention
> unique abilities of Magola,especially Dr.Dr. Walter v. Lacaudou from
> theuniversity in Freiburg. In 1997 Dr. M. Karger of the German Max
>Plank Institute examined Magola´s talents and Prof. Dr. Dr.
> Ruhenstroth-Bauer of the same institute hasproposed to include
> Magolain his project.
>also well known to the public through
> The authors’ rare gift is
> television.Together with Uri Geller, the most celebrated
> on the planet, he took part in a liveshow for the British ITV on the
> subject of paranormalphenomenon. That show had over 13 million
> in the UK alone, TV shows with Magola havealso been broadcast by SF1
> and Telebasel(Switzerland),RTL (Luxemburg) and PRO7 (Germany) among
>successfully demonstrated his authenticity to
> Briefly said, he has
> world.Daniel N. Washburn wrote:
> >Hi, Mike
> >These aren't the pics that I was thinking of but the best I
> >find. I remember some reallyimpressinve ones that I saw years back
> >when I wasreading the National Enquirer a lot for laughs.
> >the validity value here is nothigh!
> >mikebispham@... wrote:
> >GMT Daylight Time,
> >>In a message dated 8/31/05 11:54:06 AM
> >>"You remember pictures of magnetic people with all sorts of
> objectsidea if these pictures are genuine Dan?
> >>hanging from their bodies. "
> >> Haven't seen them, any
> >> Sounds _highly_ suspect to me : )>>
> >>John-Brian Paprock wrote:
> >> >New Structure Found at Ancient Ohio Site>> >Tue Aug 30,10:56 AM ET
> >> >disruptions
> >> >Ohio authorities said a magnetometer, which can show
> >> inmagnetic
> >> >soil particles,detected the structure below ground.
> >> Here a magnotometer is detecting under ground
> >> You remember pictures of magnetic people with all sorts of
> >> objects>> hanging from their bodies. Suppose
> >> someone is born withpowerful magnetic abilities (not as
> >> magneto in th ex-men,however!) Couldn't
> >> they detectunderground shifts in magnetic flux -- hence
> >> sense ley lines if leylines are really magnetic
> >> innature.
> >>suitable for discussion in this e-list can be found at:
> >> Dan
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