Re: [rug-fanatics] Odds & Ends
- Hello Seyitguly,
Thank you very much for the clarification I will add it to my notes. Any
idea why the reports we see here in the States put the Yomut in such a
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- Dear Barry:
The Yomuts are the most populous Turkmen tribe in the world. There are
several million ethnic Turkmens residing in Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan and
Iraq. On the other hand, the Tekes are the most populous tribe in
I really do not know why the Yomuts are given such a priority in the United
States. I was thinking the Tekes were much more famous because we (Tekes)
wove and weave the best Turkmen rugs. Actually, the 19th century British
travels were fascinated with the Tekes. One of them quoted an Iranian
"Only a lion-eater can pass through the Teke's land".
Even though we have many tribes in Turkmenistan, we all share the same
national identity. Like Americans..
There is an interesting 19th century book about Turkmenistan. I do not
remember the author but the name of the book is "The Merv Oasis".
Have you already put a link to my website on your "Trusted Rug Dealers"
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry OConnell <jboc1@...>
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: [rug-fanatics] Odds & Ends
> Hello Seyitguly,
> Thank you very much for the clarification I will add it to my notes. Any
> idea why the reports we see here in the States put the Yomut in such a
> prominent position?
> Best wishes,
- The source of information is probably a written source either by a
state or by scholars who serve state politics. Our education system
in the world is largely based on written sources which in fact don't
tell truth. We can see this in almost all written sources in many
fields from rugs to science. We see another example here that says
some written sources write Turkmenbasi is of the Yomut tribe, but
Seyitguly told us the truth was not so. Also, i consider Turkmenistan
is one of best countriesin the world with their social system that
provides basical needs (health, electricity,etc, more or less equal
sharing the wealth, etc) of all their citizens free. I consider this
is true civilization and Turkmenistan is among best civilizations, if
not the best, in the world today.
As for tribes, a few things from me; Families make tribe, tribes make
oba, obas make yurt which we call the country today. Family->Tribe-
>Oba->Yurt organizational structure makes our minds clear that acountry is actually made of families with a father, mother and
children. This is not clear in current country system which all are
based on the race directly or indirectly even though there is same
structure of family-yurt (country) structure even in today's country
systems. The family is the smallest organization like atoms in bigger
organizations like countries today. So, Turkmenistan preserving such
a structure helps us to understand how a country social system should
be. We all know family life is a social organization with more or
less equal sharing of meals at our dinner tables, with help each
other on health, etc. One who appreciates family life organization
should also support the same family social structure in the country
system and in global system too. Otherwise, if he/she does not
support that social system in a family, he/she is not cardial in
family system or he/she contradicts with him/herself. This is whats
happening in the world. And an education system with such
contradictions will never be able to write the truths and will kill
creativity in all fields from science to art in general and rugs-as-
art in particular. Thats why we see anti-anthrax/pharmacy development
in science while we also see the development of anthrax itself by the
same science. Pure contradiction and confused minds.
Who cares which tribe, Yomut or Tekke, which are just transitional
organizations between global organization and family organization.
They (transitional organizations) just help us to understand that
global organization is made of smallest organization, that is family
organization and those whose minds/brains don't work well should
appreciate their existences of those transitional organizations.
Countries like Turkmenistan with their such organizations that
connect the family to the country via tribes-oba-yurt will have no
difficulty in their minds since their minds are not so confused
unlike us and their social system reflecting the social system on a
family life will continue to save the creativity of human being
including the creativity in rug art field. All people who support
family social life should also support the same social life in the
global system and Turkmenistan must be taken as a model country as
the most civilized country today. Only by this, we can make the world
system better or at least we can understand the truths in the world
while it is impossible to learn from written sources outputs of
today's education system in the world.
By the way, my thoughts are odds? i thought no one was posting till
few days ago when i posted one post again. I thought i would be
thanked by my contribution for its driving force to run the forum
again as we see people started to post more after my post. You
ruggies are just disgraceful ones who don't deserve my posts that are
helpful in clarifications of your confused minds which are not
creative at all and which are carriers of false info/knowledge in
written sources. Fortunately, these woven sources exist so that you
are learning truths/carrying true info/knowledge.
--- In rug-fanatics@y..., "Seyitguly Batyrov" <seyitguly@o...> wrote:
> Dear Barry O'Connell:
> Saparmyrat Turkmenbashy is NOT of the Yomut tribe. He is of the
> Believe me I know better what tribe he is. I am myself a Tekke and
> personally know some of our President's relatives. It is not true
> of the top government officials are mainly of the Yomut tribe. All
> government on the state and local levels are represented by all the
> different tribes in Turkmenistan such as Yomut, Teke, Arsary,
> Alili, Salyr, Saryk, etc. and even nationalities like Uzbek, Kazak,
> etc. I do not want to sound cliche but in Turkmenistan noone is
> discriminated on the basis of race, nationality, TRIBE or gender.
> the source of your information?
> Hope I did not sound antagonistic but I thought I should be very
> Seyitguly Batyrov