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  • Monika Rawal
    thanks brother radhasoami ji
    Message 1 of 6 , May 13, 2013
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      thanks brother
      radhasoami ji

      On 5/5/13, Zachary Shahan <zachary.shahan@...> wrote:
      > *As promised, here are some notes from Baba Ji's Haynes Park visit last
      > week. Nothing is a direct quote, of course. *
      > *
      > *
      > *
      > *
      > *Objectivity*
      >
      > Baba Ji began the Sunday satsang in English, speaking for a few minutes
      > about our need to remember our *objective* in coming to this path. He
      > hammered home this point for just a few moments, and then he switched to
      > Punjabi. The bottom line was, *What is our objective? Why did we come to
      > this path? And how are we going to achieve our objective?*
      >
      > As always, he focused on this topic throughout the weekend, especially
      > focusing on our spiritual objective, and how to *obtain* that objective.
      >
      > In an answer to questions a lesbian was asking about sex within a married
      > relationship (a gay one vs a straight one), he discussed objectivity in
      > another way -- he said that *everything we do in life has an objective*,
      > and sex also has an objective. He said that the problem today, in straight
      > and in gay couples, is that we indulge ourselves too much. We indulge
      > ourselves in food, we indulge ourselves in other things, and we indulge
      > ourselves in sex. Indulging ourselves, whether it is within a straight or a
      > gay relationship, takes us away from our goal.
      >
      > Interestingly, the lady then asked something like, "So you will not
      > initiate a gay person?" And he said something like, *No, no, I did not say
      > that. I'm not against initiating anyone, so long as they understand the
      > objective of this path*. *Anyone who understands the objective of this
      > path, I am most happy to initiate*. (Again, note that this is a paraphrase,
      > not a direct quote.)
      >
      >
      > *Balance*
      > *
      > *
      > Balance, as always, was also focused on quite a bit. Baba Ji said that we,
      > humans, have a tendency to go to extremes. In different things in life, we
      > have a tendency to go to extremes. He said that we need to try to keep a
      > balance in life, fulfilling all of our duties, and that includes our
      > spiritual duties. In one particular instance, such replies were to a man
      > who was apparently distressed about his family duties and seemed to be
      > letting those cut into his spiritual duties. In another instance, such
      > replies were to someone who seemed to be overworked and overstressed. The
      > theme came up repeatedly -- we need to keep a balance in life. We have time
      > to do our jobs, perform our family duties, and still give at least 2.5
      > hours a day to our meditation.
      >
      > At one point, he noted that some of us have a tendency to work a lot and
      > not make much time for family, and then when we get older, we then want to
      > spend time with our kids, but then they don't have time for us.
      >
      > Regarding balance, one girl was very sad (crying, I think) about her dad
      > suffering from what sounded like depression. Baba Ji put a lot of emphasis
      > on her remaining positive and happy, that if she was positive and happy and
      > strong, that would help to lift him up. If she was then sad and depressed
      > because he was, that would only make him more sad and depressed. He noted
      > that her aim, if she wanted to help him, should be to remain strong and
      > happy herself. That would make him happy.
      >
      >
      > *Making Baba Ji Sad?*
      >
      > Later on, a woman was concerned that all of the problems of the sangat, and
      > all of her problems and struggles, were making Baba Ji sad -- I think she
      > referenced that discussion above (or it was another one very similar to
      > it), noting that He had said earlier that when the child is sad, the parent
      > is sad. She seemed especially concerned that her troubles were making Baba
      > Ji said.
      >
      > Baba Ja, in a very cool way of course, told her not to worry about Him.
      > That He was fine, and He could handle it. :D
      >
      >
      > *Beyond 2.5*
      >
      > In several instances, it was implied that we need to give much more than
      > 2.5 hours a day to our Master, that our whole day should be full of
      > remembering him, that we should carry our meditation into every moment of
      > our day. Our whole life should be conducted without forgetting Him.
      >
      > Unfortunately, I do not recall any specific quotes or Q&As about this, but
      > simply remember getting the implication several times.
      >
      >
      > *Our Responsibility*
      >
      > One man noted that his wife had divorced him, his parents had died, and I
      > think he had gone through perhaps more troubles; and he noted that he was a
      > horrible, horrible person. I don't recall if he was thanking Baba Ji for
      > His grace in getting through it all and/or asking for something (perhaps
      > help in being a better person?). At one point he said that he loved Baba Ji
      > very much.
      >
      > Baba Ji, in quite a stern way, emphasized that *we need to fulfill our
      > responsibility*. That we talk about love, but where is the love? There was
      > repeated emphasis on us fulfilling our part of the bargain, us fulfilling
      > our responsibility. (If I recall correctly, it was all basically in
      > reference to doing our meditation as wished.)
      >
      >
      > *"May your love of the form culminate in the love of the formless."*
      > *
      > *
      > In one of the satsangs, the speaker used this quote from Huzur Maharaj
      > Charan Singh, which is the final quote in *Legacy of Love*, the picture
      > book about Maharaj's life. I think these were also the final handwritten
      > words of Maharaj Ji before He cast off the mortal coil. At one point in a
      > Q&A, Master came back to this quote, and reminded us of our purpose on this
      > path -- to go inward and to get in touch with the spiritual Master within
      > ourselves. He noted that we all have the Master waiting for us inside.
      > *
      > *
      > *
      > *
      > *Waiting*
      > *
      > *
      > One questioner was concerned about an apparent lack of progress in
      > meditation. In response, Baba Ji gave the analogy of the shopkeeper. The
      > shopkeeper must open his shop every day, even when no customers come, so
      > that people know that he will be open, so that the potential customers will
      > eventually come to his shop. In a similar way, we must open our shop every
      > day to Him. This was a relatively short Q&A.
      >
      > (It also crossed my mind, by His grace of course, that it is really the
      > Master who constantly has His shop open for us. The Master is always
      > waiting for us there. We are the ones who continually ignore the fact that
      > the shop is open. At any point in the day, at any time, in any place, we
      > can go into His shop. We can go and see Him. We can meet Him face to face.
      > Or we can at least take a few steps in His direction. At any moment, we can
      > go in and satisfy His wishes, please Him. No step is too small, and every
      > step in His direction is a worthwhile one that brings us closer to Him. We
      > can simply close our eyes and be with Him. Or in situations where we cannot
      > close our eyes, we can remember Him, simply do simran, or do bhajan.)
      >
      >
      > *Satsangi Children*
      >
      > One young lady said that she had been raised by satsangi parents and seemed
      > happy about all that, but she asked if we had to apply for initiation to be
      > a satsangi.
      >
      > I am sure I don't recall the exact words he responded with, but Master said
      > something along the lines of, *We are all free to pursue whatever avenue we
      > want*, that if she thinks she has found a better way, she can go with it.
      > That we (satsangis) think this is the best way, but everyone is free to
      > pursue their own way.
      >
      >
      > *Support*
      >
      > One commenter asked about his own situation in giving satsang. He was
      > concerned because he gave satsangs about how we are supposed to be and
      > live, yet he was not yet living such an ideal life himself. People even
      > asked him if he was, and he felt bad that he could not say that he was.
      >
      > Master responded at length. He noted that we do not have a priestly class.
      > He noted that satsang givers are often selected because of their ease and
      > abilities with communication, but they are not "higher" than anyone else.
      > He noted that satsangs are really just like support groups for us, places
      > to go and get support in our efforts, in our meditation. In fact, He said,
      > when a person is giving satsang, it is more for oneself, aimed at one's own
      > needs, than at anyone else's. You focus the satsang on what you need to
      > hear, what you need to focus on. It is really like you are talking to
      > yourself.
      >
      > *
      > *
      > *Nobody Is Wrong*
      > *
      > *
      > In one exchange, a lady was asking questions about something that is a
      > moral requirement in Sant Mat, but was adding her own thoughts on the
      > matter (which went against the Sant Mat requirement), despite wanting to
      > get initiated. At one point, she said, "Maybe I am wrong,..." and Baba Ji
      > cut in, *No, nobody is wrong. We all just have different perspectives. But
      > nobody is wrong.* He was very forceful about that.
      >
      > *
      > *
      > *Marriage/Relationships
      > *
      > There were a lot of questions, even more answers, and many jokes about
      > marriage and relationships.
      >
      > Master emphasized many times that we should please our husbands and wives,
      > that we should simply try to make them happy, listen to them. The advice
      > went both ways -- to men and women -- and was often dished out in a very
      > joking way, in response to one question or other, but not necessarily
      > marriage- or relationship-related questions. In some situations, it was
      > even brought up out of nowhere. I don't recall exactly what one questioner
      > was asking about, but Master told him something like, *Get married, your
      > wife will get you in line -- listen to her.* In several instances, perhaps
      > this one, the joke also seemed to be about the bossiness of some spouses.
      >
      > *Marriage Requirement*
      >
      > Another lady was asking about the requirement to get married. She had been
      > with a man for about 8 years and seemed to be opposed to the idea of
      > getting married, yet she was planning to apply for initiation. She talked a
      > lot and asked why it was important to simply get a piece of paper when she
      > was committed and felt that in her own heart.
      >
      > Master answered at length here (and there was a back-and-forth at times).
      > He asked about the hypothetical situation where there was no such thing as
      > marriage and people were falling in and out of each other's beds. He asked
      > her about such a scenario, noting that if there was no commitment, people
      > wouldn't stick around -- *especially the men* (He noted that line with that
      > adorable and sweet smile of His). He also repeated the thing that Maharaj
      > Ji always used to say, that if you want a shoe to stay on, you have to tied
      > the laces.
      >
      > At the point (mentioned above) where she called formal marriage simply a
      > piece of paper, He noted that it was not simply a piece of paper, that it
      > was a commitment, and there were consequences tied to breaking that
      > commitment.
      >
      > Towards the end, the lady noted that in her country, if a man and woman
      > were living together for more than one year, they were deemed married. Baba
      > Ji responded that it is not about any laws or what the government tells us,
      > it is about our commitment -- it is about the commitment we make. So she
      > asked something like, "so I don't have to get married to apply for
      > initiation." And the Master said something like, *You don't have to*. And
      > she asked something like, *But it is a requirement?* And he said, *Yes*. At
      > which point there was a bit of a chuckle in the audience.
      >
      > *Friendship*
      >
      > One lady asked the Master something about what spouses should do for each
      > other (I'm not really remembering the specific question at all). Master
      > responded that married life is about friendship. What we are for each other
      > is a friend. The other things fade away over time, but that is what sticks
      > around and is important in the relationship -- to support each other, lift
      > the other one up when he or she is down, and be lifted up by the other when
      > you are down.
      >
      >
      > *Relatives*
      >
      > One person was concerned about in-laws who were not satsangis and who
      > wanted or expected he and his wife to not be so strict with their
      > commitments to the Master (regarding alcohol and perhaps also meat). In
      > particular, he was concerned about times when he had to buy them alcohol in
      > order to meet their expectations.
      >
      > Master reminded him that people would respect him for having strong
      > convictions and sticking with them (something along those lines). And after
      > a bit of discussion about that, he also joked with a question something
      > like, *Will they not love you if you don't buy them alcohol? Is that all
      > the relationship is built on?* And the man agreed that it was not.
      >
      >
      > *Loving The Master*
      >
      > One lady was very obsessed with how perfectly Master's turban was always
      > tied. She kept asking if He tied it Himself or if it was prepared like that
      > and he simply placed it on his head in the morning ... she was very focused
      > on this matter and kept asking it as Master confirmed what the exact
      > question was and smiled.
      >
      > At one point, He made the statement, *Well, anything worth doing is worth
      > doing well, isn't it?* Then He went into a bit on the topic of love. He
      > noted that we always love all the little things about the people we love.
      > He noted that a mother always thinks her baby is the most beautiful. So,
      > the turban and how it is tied is nothing special -- this fascination with
      > such little things is just due to our love for Him.
      >
      >
      > *Marked*
      >
      > One lady was uncertain what it meant in the books by His "marked souls."
      > She was asking more specifically what this "marked" is.
      >
      > In a somewhat joking way, but also as a useful analogy (it seemed), He
      > asked her if she had seen those old Westerns, American cowboy movies. And
      > He noted the way the cows were marked by the cattleman. He said that's what
      > He went around and did with the satsangis, stating it with that sweet smile
      > on His face.
      >
      > I think similar issues came up at other times, where He noted that nobody
      > comes to the path unless He decides that, unless they are called to it.
      >
      > And, similarly, in one response, He said to a lady that there are two
      > things -- politics and religion -- that you should never argue with someone
      > about. He noted that you are never going to convince someone of anything by
      > arguing with them about those subjects. (In that instance, it wasn't clear
      > if what the lady as arguing with relatives about, but just that it was
      > about "taking the high moral road.")
      >
      >
      > *Representatives / Visits*
      >
      > As usual, some people got up to ask the Master to visit their respective
      > centers -- in Canada, New York, Dallas, France, and so on. With the North
      > American ones, the Master several times put a lot of pressure on the North
      > American representatives. It started when someone asked Him to come visit
      > them in Dallas. Master said that He was very happy she/he brought this up,
      > because he had been in a meeting with the North American representatives
      > the day before, and none of them had invited Him. At the end of the
      > meeting, He asked, *Aren't you forgetting something?* And nobody could
      > think of what they were forgetting. At several subsequent points in the
      > weekend Q&As, he came back to this and put a lot of emphasis on asking your
      > representative to invite Him.
      >
      >
      > *Meditation & Sleep*
      > *
      > *
      > One questioner was concerned about falling asleep during meditation --
      > concerned that it meant she wasn't doing what she had promised (at least
      > 2.5 hrs of meditation a day).
      >
      > Master commented about the issue by drawing analogies to the outside world.
      > He mentioned, *Would you fall asleep during work? Would you fall asleep if
      > the Prime Minister were visiting your home?* I believe that, here, he again
      > talked about objectivity -- the objective of our life and being on the path
      > -- and about being interested in our meditation.
      >
      >
      > *Spiritual Realms*
      >
      > One man asked Baba Ji about the color of the sky in the first realm.
      >
      > Baba Ji said that he couldn't tell him, that there weren't words that could
      > describe it. He asked, *Do you remember when you first felt love for your
      > parents? How can you describe it? You can't. Words add a limitation*. Even
      > if He tried to describe it, words would add a limiting factor. And it would
      > just be a concept. He noted with emphasis that, *We need to go beyond
      > concepts. We need to experience these things*. *We need to put the effort
      > in to know these things ourselves.* He added that we spend too much time on
      > the history and geography of these matters. That we simply need to put in
      > the practice and experience these things for ourselves.
      >
      >
      > *Karma*
      >
      > One young man was a bit confused about the concept of karma. He was
      > wondering where karmas like long and hard exams or stress not tied to any
      > specific person came from, since they do not come from any particular
      > person or living being. He was wondering if they were karmas from specific
      > past actions or were something else.
      >
      > Baba Ji noted that, *It's not like if we have eaten 10 chickens, we have to
      > come back as a chicken to be slaughtered 10 times. There is a divine
      > accountant, and just as the bank keeps a very accurate account of your
      > debits and credits, and won't even let you close a bank account if there is
      > one pence in it, all of our actions our put on our account. But they may be
      > dished out in different ways.* (Again, I am simply paraphrasing here.)
      >
      >
      > *The Sound*
      >
      > One lady asked about what we should do if we hear the sound -- specifying
      > that it was 1 of the lower 10 sounds, not the bell sound -- during the day,
      > while doing things in the world. She asked if we should plug our ears and
      > listen to it.
      >
      > Master said something like, *Just close your eyes and enjoy it. Enjoy it.
      > *He
      > noted that this happens when we concentrate, that even non-satsangis, when
      > they are concentrating on something, can hear the sound. If that happens,
      > we should simply close our eyes and enjoy it.
      >
      >
      > *The One Absolute (or Main?) Requirement*
      >
      > At some point, Master noted that the *one absolute* requirement (or
      > *main*requirement?) after getting initiated was our meditation, that
      > the others
      > are all to give support to that main requirement. The others are all
      > important for enabling us to perform that main requirement, but the focus
      > was our meditation. Meditation is the #1 thing the Master asks of us.
      >
      >
      >
      > There were many questions and answers in Punjabi or some other Indian
      > language that I unfortunately didn't understand and cannot pass on to you.
      > And, naturally, there were many that I simply do not recall. But I hope
      > that the notes above give a sense of the points Baba Ji put across, and I
      > hope help everyone to remember Him and to do what He wishes, meditate.
      >
      > Of course, it would be wonderful if someone else on this list attended the
      > weekend and has things to share that they remember.
      >
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    • Shivangi Dixit
      Dear Brother Thanks for sharing babaji s quote,Hope in future you may share us all the quotes of babaji s which u hear. May babaji bless u forever.   Shivangi
      Message 2 of 6 , May 14, 2013
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        Dear Brother

        Thanks for sharing babaji's quote,Hope in future you may share us all the quotes of babaji's which u hear.

        May babaji bless u forever.
         
        Shivangi Dixit



        ________________________________
        From: Zachary Shahan <zachary.shahan@...>
        To: rssbeas@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Sunday, 5 May 2013 8:36 PM
        Subject: [rssbeas] Haynes Park 2013



         
        *As promised, here are some notes from Baba Ji's Haynes Park visit last
        week. Nothing is a direct quote, of course. *
        *
        *
        *
        *
        *Objectivity*

        Baba Ji began the Sunday satsang in English, speaking for a few minutes
        about our need to remember our *objective* in coming to this path. He
        hammered home this point for just a few moments, and then he switched to
        Punjabi. The bottom line was, *What is our objective? Why did we come to
        this path? And how are we going to achieve our objective?*

        As always, he focused on this topic throughout the weekend, especially
        focusing on our spiritual objective, and how to *obtain* that objective.

        In an answer to questions a lesbian was asking about sex within a married
        relationship (a gay one vs a straight one), he discussed objectivity in
        another way -- he said that *everything we do in life has an objective*,
        and sex also has an objective. He said that the problem today, in straight
        and in gay couples, is that we indulge ourselves too much. We indulge
        ourselves in food, we indulge ourselves in other things, and we indulge
        ourselves in sex. Indulging ourselves, whether it is within a straight or a
        gay relationship, takes us away from our goal.

        Interestingly, the lady then asked something like, "So you will not
        initiate a gay person?" And he said something like, *No, no, I did not say
        that. I'm not against initiating anyone, so long as they understand the
        objective of this path*. *Anyone who understands the objective of this
        path, I am most happy to initiate*. (Again, note that this is a paraphrase,
        not a direct quote.)

        *Balance*
        *
        *
        Balance, as always, was also focused on quite a bit. Baba Ji said that we,
        humans, have a tendency to go to extremes. In different things in life, we
        have a tendency to go to extremes. He said that we need to try to keep a
        balance in life, fulfilling all of our duties, and that includes our
        spiritual duties. In one particular instance, such replies were to a man
        who was apparently distressed about his family duties and seemed to be
        letting those cut into his spiritual duties. In another instance, such
        replies were to someone who seemed to be overworked and overstressed. The
        theme came up repeatedly -- we need to keep a balance in life. We have time
        to do our jobs, perform our family duties, and still give at least 2.5
        hours a day to our meditation.

        At one point, he noted that some of us have a tendency to work a lot and
        not make much time for family, and then when we get older, we then want to
        spend time with our kids, but then they don't have time for us.

        Regarding balance, one girl was very sad (crying, I think) about her dad
        suffering from what sounded like depression. Baba Ji put a lot of emphasis
        on her remaining positive and happy, that if she was positive and happy and
        strong, that would help to lift him up. If she was then sad and depressed
        because he was, that would only make him more sad and depressed. He noted
        that her aim, if she wanted to help him, should be to remain strong and
        happy herself. That would make him happy.

        *Making Baba Ji Sad?*

        Later on, a woman was concerned that all of the problems of the sangat, and
        all of her problems and struggles, were making Baba Ji sad -- I think she
        referenced that discussion above (or it was another one very similar to
        it), noting that He had said earlier that when the child is sad, the parent
        is sad. She seemed especially concerned that her troubles were making Baba
        Ji said.

        Baba Ja, in a very cool way of course, told her not to worry about Him.
        That He was fine, and He could handle it. :D

        *Beyond 2.5*

        In several instances, it was implied that we need to give much more than
        2.5 hours a day to our Master, that our whole day should be full of
        remembering him, that we should carry our meditation into every moment of
        our day. Our whole life should be conducted without forgetting Him.

        Unfortunately, I do not recall any specific quotes or Q&As about this, but
        simply remember getting the implication several times.

        *Our Responsibility*

        One man noted that his wife had divorced him, his parents had died, and I
        think he had gone through perhaps more troubles; and he noted that he was a
        horrible, horrible person. I don't recall if he was thanking Baba Ji for
        His grace in getting through it all and/or asking for something (perhaps
        help in being a better person?). At one point he said that he loved Baba Ji
        very much.

        Baba Ji, in quite a stern way, emphasized that *we need to fulfill our
        responsibility*. That we talk about love, but where is the love? There was
        repeated emphasis on us fulfilling our part of the bargain, us fulfilling
        our responsibility. (If I recall correctly, it was all basically in
        reference to doing our meditation as wished.)

        *"May your love of the form culminate in the love of the formless."*
        *
        *
        In one of the satsangs, the speaker used this quote from Huzur Maharaj
        Charan Singh, which is the final quote in *Legacy of Love*, the picture
        book about Maharaj's life. I think these were also the final handwritten
        words of Maharaj Ji before He cast off the mortal coil. At one point in a
        Q&A, Master came back to this quote, and reminded us of our purpose on this
        path -- to go inward and to get in touch with the spiritual Master within
        ourselves. He noted that we all have the Master waiting for us inside.
        *
        *
        *
        *
        *Waiting*
        *
        *
        One questioner was concerned about an apparent lack of progress in
        meditation. In response, Baba Ji gave the analogy of the shopkeeper. The
        shopkeeper must open his shop every day, even when no customers come, so
        that people know that he will be open, so that the potential customers will
        eventually come to his shop. In a similar way, we must open our shop every
        day to Him. This was a relatively short Q&A.

        (It also crossed my mind, by His grace of course, that it is really the
        Master who constantly has His shop open for us. The Master is always
        waiting for us there. We are the ones who continually ignore the fact that
        the shop is open. At any point in the day, at any time, in any place, we
        can go into His shop. We can go and see Him. We can meet Him face to face.
        Or we can at least take a few steps in His direction. At any moment, we can
        go in and satisfy His wishes, please Him. No step is too small, and every
        step in His direction is a worthwhile one that brings us closer to Him. We
        can simply close our eyes and be with Him. Or in situations where we cannot
        close our eyes, we can remember Him, simply do simran, or do bhajan.)

        *Satsangi Children*

        One young lady said that she had been raised by satsangi parents and seemed
        happy about all that, but she asked if we had to apply for initiation to be
        a satsangi.

        I am sure I don't recall the exact words he responded with, but Master said
        something along the lines of, *We are all free to pursue whatever avenue we
        want*, that if she thinks she has found a better way, she can go with it.
        That we (satsangis) think this is the best way, but everyone is free to
        pursue their own way.

        *Support*

        One commenter asked about his own situation in giving satsang. He was
        concerned because he gave satsangs about how we are supposed to be and
        live, yet he was not yet living such an ideal life himself. People even
        asked him if he was, and he felt bad that he could not say that he was.

        Master responded at length. He noted that we do not have a priestly class.
        He noted that satsang givers are often selected because of their ease and
        abilities with communication, but they are not "higher" than anyone else.
        He noted that satsangs are really just like support groups for us, places
        to go and get support in our efforts, in our meditation. In fact, He said,
        when a person is giving satsang, it is more for oneself, aimed at one's own
        needs, than at anyone else's. You focus the satsang on what you need to
        hear, what you need to focus on. It is really like you are talking to
        yourself.

        *
        *
        *Nobody Is Wrong*
        *
        *
        In one exchange, a lady was asking questions about something that is a
        moral requirement in Sant Mat, but was adding her own thoughts on the
        matter (which went against the Sant Mat requirement), despite wanting to
        get initiated. At one point, she said, "Maybe I am wrong,..." and Baba Ji
        cut in, *No, nobody is wrong. We all just have different perspectives. But
        nobody is wrong.* He was very forceful about that.

        *
        *
        *Marriage/Relationships
        *
        There were a lot of questions, even more answers, and many jokes about
        marriage and relationships.

        Master emphasized many times that we should please our husbands and wives,
        that we should simply try to make them happy, listen to them. The advice
        went both ways -- to men and women -- and was often dished out in a very
        joking way, in response to one question or other, but not necessarily
        marriage- or relationship-related questions. In some situations, it was
        even brought up out of nowhere. I don't recall exactly what one questioner
        was asking about, but Master told him something like, *Get married, your
        wife will get you in line -- listen to her.* In several instances, perhaps
        this one, the joke also seemed to be about the bossiness of some spouses.

        *Marriage Requirement*

        Another lady was asking about the requirement to get married. She had been
        with a man for about 8 years and seemed to be opposed to the idea of
        getting married, yet she was planning to apply for initiation. She talked a
        lot and asked why it was important to simply get a piece of paper when she
        was committed and felt that in her own heart.

        Master answered at length here (and there was a back-and-forth at times).
        He asked about the hypothetical situation where there was no such thing as
        marriage and people were falling in and out of each other's beds. He asked
        her about such a scenario, noting that if there was no commitment, people
        wouldn't stick around -- *especially the men* (He noted that line with that
        adorable and sweet smile of His). He also repeated the thing that Maharaj
        Ji always used to say, that if you want a shoe to stay on, you have to tied
        the laces.

        At the point (mentioned above) where she called formal marriage simply a
        piece of paper, He noted that it was not simply a piece of paper, that it
        was a commitment, and there were consequences tied to breaking that
        commitment.

        Towards the end, the lady noted that in her country, if a man and woman
        were living together for more than one year, they were deemed married. Baba
        Ji responded that it is not about any laws or what the government tells us,
        it is about our commitment -- it is about the commitment we make. So she
        asked something like, "so I don't have to get married to apply for
        initiation." And the Master said something like, *You don't have to*. And
        she asked something like, *But it is a requirement?* And he said, *Yes*. At
        which point there was a bit of a chuckle in the audience.

        *Friendship*

        One lady asked the Master something about what spouses should do for each
        other (I'm not really remembering the specific question at all). Master
        responded that married life is about friendship. What we are for each other
        is a friend. The other things fade away over time, but that is what sticks
        around and is important in the relationship -- to support each other, lift
        the other one up when he or she is down, and be lifted up by the other when
        you are down.

        *Relatives*

        One person was concerned about in-laws who were not satsangis and who
        wanted or expected he and his wife to not be so strict with their
        commitments to the Master (regarding alcohol and perhaps also meat). In
        particular, he was concerned about times when he had to buy them alcohol in
        order to meet their expectations.

        Master reminded him that people would respect him for having strong
        convictions and sticking with them (something along those lines). And after
        a bit of discussion about that, he also joked with a question something
        like, *Will they not love you if you don't buy them alcohol? Is that all
        the relationship is built on?* And the man agreed that it was not.

        *Loving The Master*

        One lady was very obsessed with how perfectly Master's turban was always
        tied. She kept asking if He tied it Himself or if it was prepared like that
        and he simply placed it on his head in the morning ... she was very focused
        on this matter and kept asking it as Master confirmed what the exact
        question was and smiled.

        At one point, He made the statement, *Well, anything worth doing is worth
        doing well, isn't it?* Then He went into a bit on the topic of love. He
        noted that we always love all the little things about the people we love.
        He noted that a mother always thinks her baby is the most beautiful. So,
        the turban and how it is tied is nothing special -- this fascination with
        such little things is just due to our love for Him.

        *Marked*

        One lady was uncertain what it meant in the books by His "marked souls."
        She was asking more specifically what this "marked" is.

        In a somewhat joking way, but also as a useful analogy (it seemed), He
        asked her if she had seen those old Westerns, American cowboy movies. And
        He noted the way the cows were marked by the cattleman. He said that's what
        He went around and did with the satsangis, stating it with that sweet smile
        on His face.

        I think similar issues came up at other times, where He noted that nobody
        comes to the path unless He decides that, unless they are called to it.

        And, similarly, in one response, He said to a lady that there are two
        things -- politics and religion -- that you should never argue with someone
        about. He noted that you are never going to convince someone of anything by
        arguing with them about those subjects. (In that instance, it wasn't clear
        if what the lady as arguing with relatives about, but just that it was
        about "taking the high moral road.")

        *Representatives / Visits*

        As usual, some people got up to ask the Master to visit their respective
        centers -- in Canada, New York, Dallas, France, and so on. With the North
        American ones, the Master several times put a lot of pressure on the North
        American representatives. It started when someone asked Him to come visit
        them in Dallas. Master said that He was very happy she/he brought this up,
        because he had been in a meeting with the North American representatives
        the day before, and none of them had invited Him. At the end of the
        meeting, He asked, *Aren't you forgetting something?* And nobody could
        think of what they were forgetting. At several subsequent points in the
        weekend Q&As, he came back to this and put a lot of emphasis on asking your
        representative to invite Him.

        *Meditation & Sleep*
        *
        *
        One questioner was concerned about falling asleep during meditation --
        concerned that it meant she wasn't doing what she had promised (at least
        2.5 hrs of meditation a day).

        Master commented about the issue by drawing analogies to the outside world.
        He mentioned, *Would you fall asleep during work? Would you fall asleep if
        the Prime Minister were visiting your home?* I believe that, here, he again
        talked about objectivity -- the objective of our life and being on the path
        -- and about being interested in our meditation.

        *Spiritual Realms*

        One man asked Baba Ji about the color of the sky in the first realm.

        Baba Ji said that he couldn't tell him, that there weren't words that could
        describe it. He asked, *Do you remember when you first felt love for your
        parents? How can you describe it? You can't. Words add a limitation*. Even
        if He tried to describe it, words would add a limiting factor. And it would
        just be a concept. He noted with emphasis that, *We need to go beyond
        concepts. We need to experience these things*. *We need to put the effort
        in to know these things ourselves.* He added that we spend too much time on
        the history and geography of these matters. That we simply need to put in
        the practice and experience these things for ourselves.

        *Karma*

        One young man was a bit confused about the concept of karma. He was
        wondering where karmas like long and hard exams or stress not tied to any
        specific person came from, since they do not come from any particular
        person or living being. He was wondering if they were karmas from specific
        past actions or were something else.

        Baba Ji noted that, *It's not like if we have eaten 10 chickens, we have to
        come back as a chicken to be slaughtered 10 times. There is a divine
        accountant, and just as the bank keeps a very accurate account of your
        debits and credits, and won't even let you close a bank account if there is
        one pence in it, all of our actions our put on our account. But they may be
        dished out in different ways.* (Again, I am simply paraphrasing here.)

        *The Sound*

        One lady asked about what we should do if we hear the sound -- specifying
        that it was 1 of the lower 10 sounds, not the bell sound -- during the day,
        while doing things in the world. She asked if we should plug our ears and
        listen to it.

        Master said something like, *Just close your eyes and enjoy it. Enjoy it. *He
        noted that this happens when we concentrate, that even non-satsangis, when
        they are concentrating on something, can hear the sound. If that happens,
        we should simply close our eyes and enjoy it.

        *The One Absolute (or Main?) Requirement*

        At some point, Master noted that the *one absolute* requirement (or
        *main*requirement?) after getting initiated was our meditation, that
        the others
        are all to give support to that main requirement. The others are all
        important for enabling us to perform that main requirement, but the focus
        was our meditation. Meditation is the #1 thing the Master asks of us.

        There were many questions and answers in Punjabi or some other Indian
        language that I unfortunately didn't understand and cannot pass on to you.
        And, naturally, there were many that I simply do not recall. But I hope
        that the notes above give a sense of the points Baba Ji put across, and I
        hope help everyone to remember Him and to do what He wishes, meditate.

        Of course, it would be wonderful if someone else on this list attended the
        weekend and has things to share that they remember.

        *RSS,

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        Radhasoami Sir, your effort to post it for the people in this group is GREAT..... you made me and so many like me remember the beloved master and love him for
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          Radhasoami Sir,

          your effort to post it for the people in this group is GREAT..... you made
          me and so many like me remember the beloved master and love him for
          everything he has done, is doing and will do for us. Thank you so much
          again for this.

          Radhasoami.


          On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 8:36 PM, Zachary Shahan <zachary.shahan@...>wrote:

          > **
          >
          >
          > *As promised, here are some notes from Baba Ji's Haynes Park visit last
          > week. Nothing is a direct quote, of course. *
          > *
          > *
          > *
          > *
          > *Objectivity*
          >
          > Baba Ji began the Sunday satsang in English, speaking for a few minutes
          > about our need to remember our *objective* in coming to this path. He
          > hammered home this point for just a few moments, and then he switched to
          > Punjabi. The bottom line was, *What is our objective? Why did we come to
          > this path? And how are we going to achieve our objective?*
          >
          > As always, he focused on this topic throughout the weekend, especially
          > focusing on our spiritual objective, and how to *obtain* that objective.
          >
          > In an answer to questions a lesbian was asking about sex within a married
          > relationship (a gay one vs a straight one), he discussed objectivity in
          > another way -- he said that *everything we do in life has an objective*,
          > and sex also has an objective. He said that the problem today, in straight
          > and in gay couples, is that we indulge ourselves too much. We indulge
          > ourselves in food, we indulge ourselves in other things, and we indulge
          > ourselves in sex. Indulging ourselves, whether it is within a straight or a
          > gay relationship, takes us away from our goal.
          >
          > Interestingly, the lady then asked something like, "So you will not
          > initiate a gay person?" And he said something like, *No, no, I did not say
          > that. I'm not against initiating anyone, so long as they understand the
          > objective of this path*. *Anyone who understands the objective of this
          > path, I am most happy to initiate*. (Again, note that this is a paraphrase,
          > not a direct quote.)
          >
          > *Balance*
          > *
          > *
          > Balance, as always, was also focused on quite a bit. Baba Ji said that we,
          > humans, have a tendency to go to extremes. In different things in life, we
          > have a tendency to go to extremes. He said that we need to try to keep a
          > balance in life, fulfilling all of our duties, and that includes our
          > spiritual duties. In one particular instance, such replies were to a man
          > who was apparently distressed about his family duties and seemed to be
          > letting those cut into his spiritual duties. In another instance, such
          > replies were to someone who seemed to be overworked and overstressed. The
          > theme came up repeatedly -- we need to keep a balance in life. We have time
          > to do our jobs, perform our family duties, and still give at least 2.5
          > hours a day to our meditation.
          >
          > At one point, he noted that some of us have a tendency to work a lot and
          > not make much time for family, and then when we get older, we then want to
          > spend time with our kids, but then they don't have time for us.
          >
          > Regarding balance, one girl was very sad (crying, I think) about her dad
          > suffering from what sounded like depression. Baba Ji put a lot of emphasis
          > on her remaining positive and happy, that if she was positive and happy and
          > strong, that would help to lift him up. If she was then sad and depressed
          > because he was, that would only make him more sad and depressed. He noted
          > that her aim, if she wanted to help him, should be to remain strong and
          > happy herself. That would make him happy.
          >
          > *Making Baba Ji Sad?*
          >
          > Later on, a woman was concerned that all of the problems of the sangat, and
          > all of her problems and struggles, were making Baba Ji sad -- I think she
          > referenced that discussion above (or it was another one very similar to
          > it), noting that He had said earlier that when the child is sad, the parent
          > is sad. She seemed especially concerned that her troubles were making Baba
          > Ji said.
          >
          > Baba Ja, in a very cool way of course, told her not to worry about Him.
          > That He was fine, and He could handle it. :D
          >
          > *Beyond 2.5*
          >
          > In several instances, it was implied that we need to give much more than
          > 2.5 hours a day to our Master, that our whole day should be full of
          > remembering him, that we should carry our meditation into every moment of
          > our day. Our whole life should be conducted without forgetting Him.
          >
          > Unfortunately, I do not recall any specific quotes or Q&As about this, but
          > simply remember getting the implication several times.
          >
          > *Our Responsibility*
          >
          > One man noted that his wife had divorced him, his parents had died, and I
          > think he had gone through perhaps more troubles; and he noted that he was a
          > horrible, horrible person. I don't recall if he was thanking Baba Ji for
          > His grace in getting through it all and/or asking for something (perhaps
          > help in being a better person?). At one point he said that he loved Baba Ji
          > very much.
          >
          > Baba Ji, in quite a stern way, emphasized that *we need to fulfill our
          > responsibility*. That we talk about love, but where is the love? There was
          > repeated emphasis on us fulfilling our part of the bargain, us fulfilling
          > our responsibility. (If I recall correctly, it was all basically in
          > reference to doing our meditation as wished.)
          >
          > *"May your love of the form culminate in the love of the formless."*
          > *
          > *
          > In one of the satsangs, the speaker used this quote from Huzur Maharaj
          > Charan Singh, which is the final quote in *Legacy of Love*, the picture
          > book about Maharaj's life. I think these were also the final handwritten
          > words of Maharaj Ji before He cast off the mortal coil. At one point in a
          > Q&A, Master came back to this quote, and reminded us of our purpose on this
          > path -- to go inward and to get in touch with the spiritual Master within
          > ourselves. He noted that we all have the Master waiting for us inside.
          > *
          > *
          > *
          > *
          > *Waiting*
          > *
          > *
          > One questioner was concerned about an apparent lack of progress in
          > meditation. In response, Baba Ji gave the analogy of the shopkeeper. The
          > shopkeeper must open his shop every day, even when no customers come, so
          > that people know that he will be open, so that the potential customers will
          > eventually come to his shop. In a similar way, we must open our shop every
          > day to Him. This was a relatively short Q&A.
          >
          > (It also crossed my mind, by His grace of course, that it is really the
          > Master who constantly has His shop open for us. The Master is always
          > waiting for us there. We are the ones who continually ignore the fact that
          > the shop is open. At any point in the day, at any time, in any place, we
          > can go into His shop. We can go and see Him. We can meet Him face to face.
          > Or we can at least take a few steps in His direction. At any moment, we can
          > go in and satisfy His wishes, please Him. No step is too small, and every
          > step in His direction is a worthwhile one that brings us closer to Him. We
          > can simply close our eyes and be with Him. Or in situations where we cannot
          > close our eyes, we can remember Him, simply do simran, or do bhajan.)
          >
          > *Satsangi Children*
          >
          > One young lady said that she had been raised by satsangi parents and seemed
          > happy about all that, but she asked if we had to apply for initiation to be
          > a satsangi.
          >
          > I am sure I don't recall the exact words he responded with, but Master said
          > something along the lines of, *We are all free to pursue whatever avenue we
          > want*, that if she thinks she has found a better way, she can go with it.
          > That we (satsangis) think this is the best way, but everyone is free to
          > pursue their own way.
          >
          > *Support*
          >
          > One commenter asked about his own situation in giving satsang. He was
          > concerned because he gave satsangs about how we are supposed to be and
          > live, yet he was not yet living such an ideal life himself. People even
          > asked him if he was, and he felt bad that he could not say that he was.
          >
          > Master responded at length. He noted that we do not have a priestly class.
          > He noted that satsang givers are often selected because of their ease and
          > abilities with communication, but they are not "higher" than anyone else.
          > He noted that satsangs are really just like support groups for us, places
          > to go and get support in our efforts, in our meditation. In fact, He said,
          > when a person is giving satsang, it is more for oneself, aimed at one's own
          > needs, than at anyone else's. You focus the satsang on what you need to
          > hear, what you need to focus on. It is really like you are talking to
          > yourself.
          >
          > *
          > *
          > *Nobody Is Wrong*
          > *
          > *
          > In one exchange, a lady was asking questions about something that is a
          > moral requirement in Sant Mat, but was adding her own thoughts on the
          > matter (which went against the Sant Mat requirement), despite wanting to
          > get initiated. At one point, she said, "Maybe I am wrong,..." and Baba Ji
          > cut in, *No, nobody is wrong. We all just have different perspectives. But
          > nobody is wrong.* He was very forceful about that.
          >
          > *
          > *
          > *Marriage/Relationships
          > *
          > There were a lot of questions, even more answers, and many jokes about
          > marriage and relationships.
          >
          > Master emphasized many times that we should please our husbands and wives,
          > that we should simply try to make them happy, listen to them. The advice
          > went both ways -- to men and women -- and was often dished out in a very
          > joking way, in response to one question or other, but not necessarily
          > marriage- or relationship-related questions. In some situations, it was
          > even brought up out of nowhere. I don't recall exactly what one questioner
          > was asking about, but Master told him something like, *Get married, your
          > wife will get you in line -- listen to her.* In several instances, perhaps
          > this one, the joke also seemed to be about the bossiness of some spouses.
          >
          > *Marriage Requirement*
          >
          > Another lady was asking about the requirement to get married. She had been
          > with a man for about 8 years and seemed to be opposed to the idea of
          > getting married, yet she was planning to apply for initiation. She talked a
          > lot and asked why it was important to simply get a piece of paper when she
          > was committed and felt that in her own heart.
          >
          > Master answered at length here (and there was a back-and-forth at times).
          > He asked about the hypothetical situation where there was no such thing as
          > marriage and people were falling in and out of each other's beds. He asked
          > her about such a scenario, noting that if there was no commitment, people
          > wouldn't stick around -- *especially the men* (He noted that line with that
          > adorable and sweet smile of His). He also repeated the thing that Maharaj
          > Ji always used to say, that if you want a shoe to stay on, you have to tied
          > the laces.
          >
          > At the point (mentioned above) where she called formal marriage simply a
          > piece of paper, He noted that it was not simply a piece of paper, that it
          > was a commitment, and there were consequences tied to breaking that
          > commitment.
          >
          > Towards the end, the lady noted that in her country, if a man and woman
          > were living together for more than one year, they were deemed married. Baba
          > Ji responded that it is not about any laws or what the government tells us,
          > it is about our commitment -- it is about the commitment we make. So she
          > asked something like, "so I don't have to get married to apply for
          > initiation." And the Master said something like, *You don't have to*. And
          > she asked something like, *But it is a requirement?* And he said, *Yes*. At
          > which point there was a bit of a chuckle in the audience.
          >
          > *Friendship*
          >
          > One lady asked the Master something about what spouses should do for each
          > other (I'm not really remembering the specific question at all). Master
          > responded that married life is about friendship. What we are for each other
          > is a friend. The other things fade away over time, but that is what sticks
          > around and is important in the relationship -- to support each other, lift
          > the other one up when he or she is down, and be lifted up by the other when
          > you are down.
          >
          > *Relatives*
          >
          > One person was concerned about in-laws who were not satsangis and who
          > wanted or expected he and his wife to not be so strict with their
          > commitments to the Master (regarding alcohol and perhaps also meat). In
          > particular, he was concerned about times when he had to buy them alcohol in
          > order to meet their expectations.
          >
          > Master reminded him that people would respect him for having strong
          > convictions and sticking with them (something along those lines). And after
          > a bit of discussion about that, he also joked with a question something
          > like, *Will they not love you if you don't buy them alcohol? Is that all
          > the relationship is built on?* And the man agreed that it was not.
          >
          > *Loving The Master*
          >
          > One lady was very obsessed with how perfectly Master's turban was always
          > tied. She kept asking if He tied it Himself or if it was prepared like that
          > and he simply placed it on his head in the morning ... she was very focused
          > on this matter and kept asking it as Master confirmed what the exact
          > question was and smiled.
          >
          > At one point, He made the statement, *Well, anything worth doing is worth
          > doing well, isn't it?* Then He went into a bit on the topic of love. He
          > noted that we always love all the little things about the people we love.
          > He noted that a mother always thinks her baby is the most beautiful. So,
          > the turban and how it is tied is nothing special -- this fascination with
          > such little things is just due to our love for Him.
          >
          > *Marked*
          >
          > One lady was uncertain what it meant in the books by His "marked souls."
          > She was asking more specifically what this "marked" is.
          >
          > In a somewhat joking way, but also as a useful analogy (it seemed), He
          > asked her if she had seen those old Westerns, American cowboy movies. And
          > He noted the way the cows were marked by the cattleman. He said that's what
          > He went around and did with the satsangis, stating it with that sweet smile
          > on His face.
          >
          > I think similar issues came up at other times, where He noted that nobody
          > comes to the path unless He decides that, unless they are called to it.
          >
          > And, similarly, in one response, He said to a lady that there are two
          > things -- politics and religion -- that you should never argue with someone
          > about. He noted that you are never going to convince someone of anything by
          > arguing with them about those subjects. (In that instance, it wasn't clear
          > if what the lady as arguing with relatives about, but just that it was
          > about "taking the high moral road.")
          >
          > *Representatives / Visits*
          >
          > As usual, some people got up to ask the Master to visit their respective
          > centers -- in Canada, New York, Dallas, France, and so on. With the North
          > American ones, the Master several times put a lot of pressure on the North
          > American representatives. It started when someone asked Him to come visit
          > them in Dallas. Master said that He was very happy she/he brought this up,
          > because he had been in a meeting with the North American representatives
          > the day before, and none of them had invited Him. At the end of the
          > meeting, He asked, *Aren't you forgetting something?* And nobody could
          > think of what they were forgetting. At several subsequent points in the
          > weekend Q&As, he came back to this and put a lot of emphasis on asking your
          > representative to invite Him.
          >
          > *Meditation & Sleep*
          > *
          > *
          > One questioner was concerned about falling asleep during meditation --
          > concerned that it meant she wasn't doing what she had promised (at least
          > 2.5 hrs of meditation a day).
          >
          > Master commented about the issue by drawing analogies to the outside world.
          > He mentioned, *Would you fall asleep during work? Would you fall asleep if
          > the Prime Minister were visiting your home?* I believe that, here, he again
          > talked about objectivity -- the objective of our life and being on the path
          > -- and about being interested in our meditation.
          >
          > *Spiritual Realms*
          >
          > One man asked Baba Ji about the color of the sky in the first realm.
          >
          > Baba Ji said that he couldn't tell him, that there weren't words that could
          > describe it. He asked, *Do you remember when you first felt love for your
          > parents? How can you describe it? You can't. Words add a limitation*. Even
          > if He tried to describe it, words would add a limiting factor. And it would
          > just be a concept. He noted with emphasis that, *We need to go beyond
          > concepts. We need to experience these things*. *We need to put the effort
          > in to know these things ourselves.* He added that we spend too much time on
          > the history and geography of these matters. That we simply need to put in
          > the practice and experience these things for ourselves.
          >
          > *Karma*
          >
          > One young man was a bit confused about the concept of karma. He was
          > wondering where karmas like long and hard exams or stress not tied to any
          > specific person came from, since they do not come from any particular
          > person or living being. He was wondering if they were karmas from specific
          > past actions or were something else.
          >
          > Baba Ji noted that, *It's not like if we have eaten 10 chickens, we have to
          > come back as a chicken to be slaughtered 10 times. There is a divine
          > accountant, and just as the bank keeps a very accurate account of your
          > debits and credits, and won't even let you close a bank account if there is
          > one pence in it, all of our actions our put on our account. But they may be
          > dished out in different ways.* (Again, I am simply paraphrasing here.)
          >
          > *The Sound*
          >
          > One lady asked about what we should do if we hear the sound -- specifying
          > that it was 1 of the lower 10 sounds, not the bell sound -- during the day,
          > while doing things in the world. She asked if we should plug our ears and
          > listen to it.
          >
          > Master said something like, *Just close your eyes and enjoy it. Enjoy it.
          > *He
          > noted that this happens when we concentrate, that even non-satsangis, when
          > they are concentrating on something, can hear the sound. If that happens,
          > we should simply close our eyes and enjoy it.
          >
          > *The One Absolute (or Main?) Requirement*
          >
          > At some point, Master noted that the *one absolute* requirement (or
          > *main*requirement?) after getting initiated was our meditation, that
          > the others
          > are all to give support to that main requirement. The others are all
          > important for enabling us to perform that main requirement, but the focus
          > was our meditation. Meditation is the #1 thing the Master asks of us.
          >
          > There were many questions and answers in Punjabi or some other Indian
          > language that I unfortunately didn't understand and cannot pass on to you.
          > And, naturally, there were many that I simply do not recall. But I hope
          > that the notes above give a sense of the points Baba Ji put across, and I
          > hope help everyone to remember Him and to do what He wishes, meditate.
          >
          > Of course, it would be wonderful if someone else on this list attended the
          > weekend and has things to share that they remember.
          >
          > *RSS,
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          Dear brother,          Thank you, thanks a lot for sharing what Baba Ji said at Haynes Park. With Regards & Radha Soami Greetings Jitendra Chauhan ...
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            Dear brother,
                     Thank you, thanks a lot for sharing what Baba Ji said at Haynes Park.
            With Regards & Radha Soami Greetings
            Jitendra Chauhan

            --- On Mon, 5/13/13, Monika Rawal <monikarawal32@...> wrote:


            From: Monika Rawal <monikarawal32@...>
            Subject: Re: [rssbeas] Haynes Park 2013
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            thanks brother
            radhasoami ji

            On 5/5/13, Zachary Shahan <zachary.shahan@...> wrote:
            > *As promised, here are some notes from Baba Ji's Haynes Park visit last
            > week. Nothing is a direct quote, of course. *
            > *
            > *
            > *
            > *
            > *Objectivity*
            >
            > Baba Ji began the Sunday satsang in English, speaking for a few minutes
            > about our need to remember our *objective* in coming to this path. He
            > hammered home this point for just a few moments, and then he switched to
            > Punjabi. The bottom line was, *What is our objective? Why did we come to
            > this path? And how are we going to achieve our objective?*
            >
            > As always, he focused on this topic throughout the weekend, especially
            > focusing on our spiritual objective, and how to *obtain* that objective.
            >
            > In an answer to questions a lesbian was asking about sex within a married
            > relationship (a gay one vs a straight one), he discussed objectivity in
            > another way -- he said that *everything we do in life has an objective*,
            > and sex also has an objective. He said that the problem today, in straight
            > and in gay couples, is that we indulge ourselves too much. We indulge
            > ourselves in food, we indulge ourselves in other things, and we indulge
            > ourselves in sex. Indulging ourselves, whether it is within a straight or a
            > gay relationship, takes us away from our goal.
            >
            > Interestingly, the lady then asked something like, "So you will not
            > initiate a gay person?" And he said something like, *No, no, I did not say
            > that. I'm not against initiating anyone, so long as they understand the
            > objective of this path*. *Anyone who understands the objective of this
            > path, I am most happy to initiate*. (Again, note that this is a paraphrase,
            > not a direct quote.)
            >
            >
            > *Balance*
            > *
            > *
            > Balance, as always, was also focused on quite a bit. Baba Ji said that we,
            > humans, have a tendency to go to extremes. In different things in life, we
            > have a tendency to go to extremes. He said that we need to try to keep a
            > balance in life, fulfilling all of our duties, and that includes our
            > spiritual duties. In one particular instance, such replies were to a man
            > who was apparently distressed about his family duties and seemed to be
            > letting those cut into his spiritual duties. In another instance, such
            > replies were to someone who seemed to be overworked and overstressed. The
            > theme came up repeatedly -- we need to keep a balance in life. We have time
            > to do our jobs, perform our family duties, and still give at least 2.5
            > hours a day to our meditation.
            >
            > At one point, he noted that some of us have a tendency to work a lot and
            > not make much time for family, and then when we get older, we then want to
            > spend time with our kids, but then they don't have time for us.
            >
            > Regarding balance, one girl was very sad (crying, I think) about her dad
            > suffering from what sounded like depression. Baba Ji put a lot of emphasis
            > on her remaining positive and happy, that if she was positive and happy and
            > strong, that would help to lift him up. If she was then sad and depressed
            > because he was, that would only make him more sad and depressed. He noted
            > that her aim, if she wanted to help him, should be to remain strong and
            > happy herself. That would make him happy.
            >
            >
            > *Making Baba Ji Sad?*
            >
            > Later on, a woman was concerned that all of the problems of the sangat, and
            > all of her problems and struggles, were making Baba Ji sad -- I think she
            > referenced that discussion above (or it was another one very similar to
            > it), noting that He had said earlier that when the child is sad, the parent
            > is sad. She seemed especially concerned that her troubles were making Baba
            > Ji said.
            >
            > Baba Ja, in a very cool way of course, told her not to worry about Him.
            > That He was fine, and He could handle it. :D
            >
            >
            > *Beyond 2.5*
            >
            > In several instances, it was implied that we need to give much more than
            > 2.5 hours a day to our Master, that our whole day should be full of
            > remembering him, that we should carry our meditation into every moment of
            > our day. Our whole life should be conducted without forgetting Him.
            >
            > Unfortunately, I do not recall any specific quotes or Q&As about this, but
            > simply remember getting the implication several times.
            >
            >
            > *Our Responsibility*
            >
            > One man noted that his wife had divorced him, his parents had died, and I
            > think he had gone through perhaps more troubles; and he noted that he was a
            > horrible, horrible person. I don't recall if he was thanking Baba Ji for
            > His grace in getting through it all and/or asking for something (perhaps
            > help in being a better person?). At one point he said that he loved Baba Ji
            > very much.
            >
            > Baba Ji, in quite a stern way, emphasized that *we need to fulfill our
            > responsibility*. That we talk about love, but where is the love? There was
            > repeated emphasis on us fulfilling our part of the bargain, us fulfilling
            > our responsibility. (If I recall correctly, it was all basically in
            > reference to doing our meditation as wished.)
            >
            >
            > *"May your love of the form culminate in the love of the formless."*
            > *
            > *
            > In one of the satsangs, the speaker used this quote from Huzur Maharaj
            > Charan Singh, which is the final quote in *Legacy of Love*, the picture
            > book about Maharaj's life. I think these were also the final handwritten
            > words of Maharaj Ji before He cast off the mortal coil. At one point in a
            > Q&A, Master came back to this quote, and reminded us of our purpose on this
            > path -- to go inward and to get in touch with the spiritual Master within
            > ourselves. He noted that we all have the Master waiting for us inside.
            > *
            > *
            > *
            > *
            > *Waiting*
            > *
            > *
            > One questioner was concerned about an apparent lack of progress in
            > meditation. In response, Baba Ji gave the analogy of the shopkeeper. The
            > shopkeeper must open his shop every day, even when no customers come, so
            > that people know that he will be open, so that the potential customers will
            > eventually come to his shop. In a similar way, we must open our shop every
            > day to Him. This was a relatively short Q&A.
            >
            > (It also crossed my mind, by His grace of course, that it is really the
            > Master who constantly has His shop open for us. The Master is always
            > waiting for us there. We are the ones who continually ignore the fact that
            > the shop is open. At any point in the day, at any time, in any place, we
            > can go into His shop. We can go and see Him. We can meet Him face to face.
            > Or we can at least take a few steps in His direction. At any moment, we can
            > go in and satisfy His wishes, please Him. No step is too small, and every
            > step in His direction is a worthwhile one that brings us closer to Him. We
            > can simply close our eyes and be with Him. Or in situations where we cannot
            > close our eyes, we can remember Him, simply do simran, or do bhajan.)
            >
            >
            > *Satsangi Children*
            >
            > One young lady said that she had been raised by satsangi parents and seemed
            > happy about all that, but she asked if we had to apply for initiation to be
            > a satsangi.
            >
            > I am sure I don't recall the exact words he responded with, but Master said
            > something along the lines of, *We are all free to pursue whatever avenue we
            > want*, that if she thinks she has found a better way, she can go with it.
            > That we (satsangis) think this is the best way, but everyone is free to
            > pursue their own way.
            >
            >
            > *Support*
            >
            > One commenter asked about his own situation in giving satsang. He was
            > concerned because he gave satsangs about how we are supposed to be and
            > live, yet he was not yet living such an ideal life himself. People even
            > asked him if he was, and he felt bad that he could not say that he was.
            >
            > Master responded at length. He noted that we do not have a priestly class.
            > He noted that satsang givers are often selected because of their ease and
            > abilities with communication, but they are not "higher" than anyone else.
            > He noted that satsangs are really just like support groups for us, places
            > to go and get support in our efforts, in our meditation. In fact, He said,
            > when a person is giving satsang, it is more for oneself, aimed at one's own
            > needs, than at anyone else's. You focus the satsang on what you need to
            > hear, what you need to focus on. It is really like you are talking to
            > yourself.
            >
            > *
            > *
            > *Nobody Is Wrong*
            > *
            > *
            > In one exchange, a lady was asking questions about something that is a
            > moral requirement in Sant Mat, but was adding her own thoughts on the
            > matter (which went against the Sant Mat requirement), despite wanting to
            > get initiated. At one point, she said, "Maybe I am wrong,..." and Baba Ji
            > cut in, *No, nobody is wrong. We all just have different perspectives. But
            > nobody is wrong.* He was very forceful about that.
            >
            > *
            > *
            > *Marriage/Relationships
            > *
            > There were a lot of questions, even more answers, and many jokes about
            > marriage and relationships.
            >
            > Master emphasized many times that we should please our husbands and wives,
            > that we should simply try to make them happy, listen to them. The advice
            > went both ways -- to men and women -- and was often dished out in a very
            > joking way, in response to one question or other, but not necessarily
            > marriage- or relationship-related questions. In some situations, it was
            > even brought up out of nowhere. I don't recall exactly what one questioner
            > was asking about, but Master told him something like, *Get married, your
            > wife will get you in line -- listen to her.* In several instances, perhaps
            > this one, the joke also seemed to be about the bossiness of some spouses.
            >
            > *Marriage Requirement*
            >
            > Another lady was asking about the requirement to get married. She had been
            > with a man for about 8 years and seemed to be opposed to the idea of
            > getting married, yet she was planning to apply for initiation. She talked a
            > lot and asked why it was important to simply get a piece of paper when she
            > was committed and felt that in her own heart.
            >
            > Master answered at length here (and there was a back-and-forth at times).
            > He asked about the hypothetical situation where there was no such thing as
            > marriage and people were falling in and out of each other's beds. He asked
            > her about such a scenario, noting that if there was no commitment, people
            > wouldn't stick around -- *especially the men* (He noted that line with that
            > adorable and sweet smile of His). He also repeated the thing that Maharaj
            > Ji always used to say, that if you want a shoe to stay on, you have to tied
            > the laces.
            >
            > At the point (mentioned above) where she called formal marriage simply a
            > piece of paper, He noted that it was not simply a piece of paper, that it
            > was a commitment, and there were consequences tied to breaking that
            > commitment.
            >
            > Towards the end, the lady noted that in her country, if a man and woman
            > were living together for more than one year, they were deemed married. Baba
            > Ji responded that it is not about any laws or what the government tells us,
            > it is about our commitment -- it is about the commitment we make. So she
            > asked something like, "so I don't have to get married to apply for
            > initiation." And the Master said something like, *You don't have to*. And
            > she asked something like, *But it is a requirement?* And he said, *Yes*. At
            > which point there was a bit of a chuckle in the audience.
            >
            > *Friendship*
            >
            > One lady asked the Master something about what spouses should do for each
            > other (I'm not really remembering the specific question at all). Master
            > responded that married life is about friendship. What we are for each other
            > is a friend. The other things fade away over time, but that is what sticks
            > around and is important in the relationship -- to support each other, lift
            > the other one up when he or she is down, and be lifted up by the other when
            > you are down.
            >
            >
            > *Relatives*
            >
            > One person was concerned about in-laws who were not satsangis and who
            > wanted or expected he and his wife to not be so strict with their
            > commitments to the Master (regarding alcohol and perhaps also meat). In
            > particular, he was concerned about times when he had to buy them alcohol in
            > order to meet their expectations.
            >
            > Master reminded him that people would respect him for having strong
            > convictions and sticking with them (something along those lines). And after
            > a bit of discussion about that, he also joked with a question something
            > like, *Will they not love you if you don't buy them alcohol? Is that all
            > the relationship is built on?* And the man agreed that it was not.
            >
            >
            > *Loving The Master*
            >
            > One lady was very obsessed with how perfectly Master's turban was always
            > tied. She kept asking if He tied it Himself or if it was prepared like that
            > and he simply placed it on his head in the morning ... she was very focused
            > on this matter and kept asking it as Master confirmed what the exact
            > question was and smiled.
            >
            > At one point, He made the statement, *Well, anything worth doing is worth
            > doing well, isn't it?* Then He went into a bit on the topic of love. He
            > noted that we always love all the little things about the people we love.
            > He noted that a mother always thinks her baby is the most beautiful. So,
            > the turban and how it is tied is nothing special -- this fascination with
            > such little things is just due to our love for Him.
            >
            >
            > *Marked*
            >
            > One lady was uncertain what it meant in the books by His "marked souls."
            > She was asking more specifically what this "marked" is.
            >
            > In a somewhat joking way, but also as a useful analogy (it seemed), He
            > asked her if she had seen those old Westerns, American cowboy movies. And
            > He noted the way the cows were marked by the cattleman. He said that's what
            > He went around and did with the satsangis, stating it with that sweet smile
            > on His face.
            >
            > I think similar issues came up at other times, where He noted that nobody
            > comes to the path unless He decides that, unless they are called to it.
            >
            > And, similarly, in one response, He said to a lady that there are two
            > things -- politics and religion -- that you should never argue with someone
            > about. He noted that you are never going to convince someone of anything by
            > arguing with them about those subjects. (In that instance, it wasn't clear
            > if what the lady as arguing with relatives about, but just that it was
            > about "taking the high moral road.")
            >
            >
            > *Representatives / Visits*
            >
            > As usual, some people got up to ask the Master to visit their respective
            > centers -- in Canada, New York, Dallas, France, and so on. With the North
            > American ones, the Master several times put a lot of pressure on the North
            > American representatives. It started when someone asked Him to come visit
            > them in Dallas. Master said that He was very happy she/he brought this up,
            > because he had been in a meeting with the North American representatives
            > the day before, and none of them had invited Him. At the end of the
            > meeting, He asked, *Aren't you forgetting something?* And nobody could
            > think of what they were forgetting. At several subsequent points in the
            > weekend Q&As, he came back to this and put a lot of emphasis on asking your
            > representative to invite Him.
            >
            >
            > *Meditation & Sleep*
            > *
            > *
            > One questioner was concerned about falling asleep during meditation --
            > concerned that it meant she wasn't doing what she had promised (at least
            > 2.5 hrs of meditation a day).
            >
            > Master commented about the issue by drawing analogies to the outside world.
            > He mentioned, *Would you fall asleep during work? Would you fall asleep if
            > the Prime Minister were visiting your home?* I believe that, here, he again
            > talked about objectivity -- the objective of our life and being on the path
            > -- and about being interested in our meditation.
            >
            >
            > *Spiritual Realms*
            >
            > One man asked Baba Ji about the color of the sky in the first realm.
            >
            > Baba Ji said that he couldn't tell him, that there weren't words that could
            > describe it. He asked, *Do you remember when you first felt love for your
            > parents? How can you describe it? You can't. Words add a limitation*. Even
            > if He tried to describe it, words would add a limiting factor. And it would
            > just be a concept. He noted with emphasis that, *We need to go beyond
            > concepts. We need to experience these things*. *We need to put the effort
            > in to know these things ourselves.* He added that we spend too much time on
            > the history and geography of these matters. That we simply need to put in
            > the practice and experience these things for ourselves.
            >
            >
            > *Karma*
            >
            > One young man was a bit confused about the concept of karma. He was
            > wondering where karmas like long and hard exams or stress not tied to any
            > specific person came from, since they do not come from any particular
            > person or living being. He was wondering if they were karmas from specific
            > past actions or were something else.
            >
            > Baba Ji noted that, *It's not like if we have eaten 10 chickens, we have to
            > come back as a chicken to be slaughtered 10 times. There is a divine
            > accountant, and just as the bank keeps a very accurate account of your
            > debits and credits, and won't even let you close a bank account if there is
            > one pence in it, all of our actions our put on our account. But they may be
            > dished out in different ways.* (Again, I am simply paraphrasing here.)
            >
            >
            > *The Sound*
            >
            > One lady asked about what we should do if we hear the sound -- specifying
            > that it was 1 of the lower 10 sounds, not the bell sound -- during the day,
            > while doing things in the world. She asked if we should plug our ears and
            > listen to it.
            >
            > Master said something like, *Just close your eyes and enjoy it. Enjoy it.
            > *He
            > noted that this happens when we concentrate, that even non-satsangis, when
            > they are concentrating on something, can hear the sound. If that happens,
            > we should simply close our eyes and enjoy it.
            >
            >
            > *The One Absolute (or Main?) Requirement*
            >
            > At some point, Master noted that the *one absolute* requirement (or
            > *main*requirement?) after getting initiated was our meditation, that
            > the others
            > are all to give support to that main requirement. The others are all
            > important for enabling us to perform that main requirement, but the focus
            > was our meditation. Meditation is the #1 thing the Master asks of us.
            >
            >
            >
            > There were many questions and answers in Punjabi or some other Indian
            > language that I unfortunately didn't understand and cannot pass on to you.
            > And, naturally, there were many that I simply do not recall. But I hope
            > that the notes above give a sense of the points Baba Ji put across, and I
            > hope help everyone to remember Him and to do what He wishes, meditate.
            >
            > Of course, it would be wonderful if someone else on this list attended the
            > weekend and has things to share that they remember.
            >
            >
            > *RSS,
            >
            > Zachary Shahan
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