Re: [RSS-DEV] Re: Finding RDF services (or: imminent death of usenet predicted)
- On Fri, 29 Sep 2000, Aaron Swartz wrote:
> Dan Brickley <daniel.brickley@...> wrote:People and/or machines. Writing and reading. BTW I realise there are
> > Anyway, what do you all reckon? am I making any sense?
> I think this would be rather cool. So how would it work? People'd post XML
> files to the newsgroup? Count me on the bandwagon!
some sensitivities surrounding mechanical posting to Usenet, but that's
the basic idea.
It generalises beyond RSS (and RDF I guess) -- you could use it for
discovery of SOAP/XML-RPC interfaces and the like. My guess is that such
a system would only really become interesting when the messages were
digitally signed... Eg. I could filter for just those RDF announcements
that were assured in some way by a listmember of rss-dev, if I had a database
of the public keys of folk on this and similar lists(*).
Anyone who knows news:comp.infosystems.announce should get the
picture. An alt.* group rather than a comp.infosystems.* group seems the
best place to begin experimenting though.
BTW following this tangent... a few weeks back Rael, Edd,
myself and others made a start on a mutual key-signing effort, mostly
using http://www.gnupg.org/ -- that might provide some basis for
dealing with the chaos that a news:alt.rdf.* infospew might create. I
started work on an RDF representation of those key-signings, but fear
what I've done to date is rather toy. (This is a small part of an
insanely ambitious project I'm working on, but won't shout about here
until my code matches my rhetoric ;-)
For the curious,
graphically depicted in:
shows a fragment of this data, dumped from GPG into RDF and graphed with
my RDFViz service.
I work with Dan Brickley at the ILRT and I've been following the RSS1.0
discussions with interest.
Ages ago I looked at some sitemaps stuff with Dan - I'd be quite keen to
do a literature review. I'll see how things pan out later this week.
On Fri, 29 Sep 2000, Dan Brickley wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Sep 2000, Aaron Swartz wrote:
> > Dan Brickley <daniel.brickley@...> wrote:
> > >> I'd like to ask if someone on the list who is more knowledgeable than I could
> > >> explain more about the use of LINK REL, and specifically, how one identifies
> > >> that their site provides an RSS file.
> > > There's not a lot to know really. What little conventions exist are in
> > > the HTML 4+ specs somewhere. Everything else is made up.
> > So, do you think it would be proper for us to (suggest? recommend?) the use
> > of LINK REL="rss" or LINK RSS="rss1.0p" to refer to RSS files?
> Not sure enough of the rules/conventions, but seems a good approach to
> me. Would be nicer if it allowed a URI. Maybe the notion of an
> an HTML profile, see view/src of http://www.w3.org/ for pointer to
> http://www.w3.org/2000/08/w3c-synd/# for an example. Would need reading
> up on.
> > > As an aside, also worth mentioning that HTML LINK types can be used
> > > (per document and per hyperlink) for sitemap-style apps, which is
> > > pretty close to RSSville.
> > > [[ oh, just noticed Aaron's just found the link I was about to
> > > mention! ;-]]
> > What synergy! I definitely think that RSS is a perfect application (along
> > with XHTML/HTML) for these types of links. RSS publications of weblogs could
> > have so much more semantic meaning if the links used this kind of annotation
> > (tying back to your demonstration of RDF-in-Weblogs). Not to mention the
> Don't think I circulated that yet. I'll clean it up first... (I'm not
> used to weblogging -- it feels so naked ;-)
> > stuff being discussed over on XML-DIST-APP about
> > XML-push-email-notification-etc. Whoa, lots of things connecting here.
> Everything's connected :-)
> > > I'm hopelessly overcommitted and unlikely to find much time
> > > in the next month or so to work on linktypes for sitemapping.
> > Had a feeling... That's OK, perhaps there are others out there willing to
> > take on the task. (I can moderate, but I doubt I'm able or qualified to do
> > the actual work myself.)
> that'd be good. It's mostly a dull matter of reading specs, and the
> interesting work of doing a literature review to see what's been done
> before. There's a strong HCI aspect to doing this right...
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- I stumbled across this thread via Google today - did anything ever
come of the Usenet as RDF exchange idea ? Was the proposal rejected ?
I apologize for dredging the archives, but the idea seems very
--- In rss-dev@y..., Dan Brickley <daniel.brickley@b...> wrote:
> Let's start a Usenet newsgroup.
> I started to draft a request for news:alt.rdf.* group(s). Idea was
> that a simple good old fashioned usenet group would be a great way
> apps to publish and discover services and data. We already have global
> infrastructure in place to support this, Perl, Java etc client libraries
> and lots more. Unlike Web-based aggregation and 'e-market' sites, the
> lack of central management depoliticises things rather helpfully. No one
> WWW site gets to be the central whiteboard on which RDF/XML apps
> scribble messages to one another. Contrast: if I'd just suggested that
> everyone uses www.danbri.org as a central service for sharing RSS files,
> that'd be rather different.